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Yesterday’s open question on destination weddings reminded me of my current situation. In a previous blog, I mentioned that I will be the matron of honor at a friend’s wedding in Germany. She asked me to be her MOH about 6-8 months ago, and I honestly didn’t think twice about it - I was just really honored that she asked me.

Our wedding will be in May and her wedding is scheduled in August so we will be delaying our honeymoon three months. We don’t have enough vacation time, nor can we afford to pay for two international flights, so we opted to do a two week European honeymoon to the Swiss Alps, Germany, and Turin, Italy after we attend her wedding. Honestly, we don’t mind delaying our honeymoon a couple months. That will give us some breathing room post wedding extravaganza.

As I was checking my wedding timeline the other day, I noticed we needed to book our honeymoon by the end of this month. So Mr. Apple and I were figuring out our honeymoon costs, and we realized that our honeymoon will be super expensive - our flight alone will cost around $3000 to Germany in the middle of August (high season)! Neither one of us has traveled to Europe, so we weren’t expecting to spend that much just for airfaire.

After Mr. Apple and I realized the high price of European travel, I called my friend up and asked her if she could give us some cost saving tips for travel around Europe, specifically Germany. Her fiance is German and he flys back and forth at least twice a year, so my assumption was that he would be the best resource for good hotels, restaurants, airfare, etc. During our phone conversation, I was trying to explain that I needed her help. I was getting really frustrated with her because I don’t think she understands how expensive this trip will be. I told her I would love to be a part of her wedding day and am honored to ber her matron of honor, but I think she needs to meet me half way and help me out with some suggestions. I understand that she’s finishing up her last semester in dental school which is her first priority, so she doesn’t have time to focus much on her wedding - her future mother in law is handling every aspect of the wedding planning including the finances, booking the venue, baking cake, flowers, music, etc.

I just feel out of courtesy, she should provide her guests some travel options to Germany. I mean I will be providing options for my guests and they’re flying within the states - Boston, NYC, and California. So wouldn’t it be nice to provide your guests with some information especially for international weddings? Besides her mother, I think Mr. Apple and I will be the only ones traveling to Europe from the United States for her wedding. My assumption is that she didn’t think it was necessary to do any research since we’re such a small party. I guess part of me is upset with her because she’s not taking any responsibilty or willing to accomodate us (whether it be information or anything).

When I was reading the comments left on the destination weddings open question, I was shocked to read that some brides paid for some part of the travel expenses, either hotel or food. I’m just shocked that she hasn’t offered to pay for anything - even the moh dress. All in all, I don’t mind at all if I pay for everything because it’s her wedding day and I want to be there for her, but I think it was her reaction to my question about travel advice that made me confused and a little peeved.

So by the end of our 10 minute conversation she told me she had to go. I think she’s mad and hurt that I would even bring this topic up to her. I’m a bit confused and not sure what I should do….I need help.

I guess my point is…was I being insensitive?

And if I don’t hear back from her soon, I am sort of at a loss as to what I should do about our honeymoon…

Help!!!!

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25 Responses to “Matron of Honor Dilemma - Destination Wedding”

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Tessa

Absolutely not you’re not being insensitive! I thought it was a common-known courtesy to provide at LEAST information.

 
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rain

im having a destination wedding and an at home reception where my girls will have to be and travel to both locations as well as an addtional times to accomodate my shower, cultural customs, but ive tried to accomodate them in every way and even offered to take on some of the financial responsibilities.

Your not being insensitive at all, are you the only one in her bridal party?

 
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Kendra

Every time I’ve been asked to be in a wedding, I accepted knowing that most likely I would be paying for the dress, travel, hair, showers, gifts, etc. It is nice when the bride or bride’s family pays for a hotel room or hair, but I know how expensive everything is and would rather pay for it myself than add another burden to the bride.

I would suggest calling the bride’s mom, since she is doing the planning, and asking for her advice. Let her know you haven’t been to Europe before and were wondering if she had any advice for finding the best airfare, etc.

 
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GK

I think she’s the one being insensitive! I think you have the right to be upset. The least she should have done was pay for your dress.

 
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kate

I can understand your frustration but perhaps she just hasn’t had a chance to research such things, or honestly isn’t aware of alternative options - maybe her future ILs pick the restaurants or she doesn’t stay in hotels?

I’m not saying it’s 100% excusable but on the web there is a TON of information on discount travel including train tickets, hostels, etc.

Also, could you maybe be more clear with her about what you need - is it specifically a hotel to stay at during the wedding for example? Maybe it’s too overwhelming to her to just be asked about bargain travel in general?

 
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Miss Strawberry

Not insensitive at all. I’d write her an e-mail and just ask her when she gets a free minute to recommend some hotels for you. Ahhh. That would bother me.

 
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HC

I’m unclear what information you are looking for from her. The only travel information I provided for my guests is the information for the inn the wedding is at, and the airport I recommend using. If necessary, I can recommend other more inexpensive hotels to stay at, or let them know what cities/towns are close by. Honestly, I feel the rest is up to them. I am not a travel agent.

In this case, even though you are in the wedding, getting there is your responsibility. If it is too much of a financial burden, you may have to back out. For specific flight information, I would recommend talking to a travel agent. Have your friend provide information on distances from cities and towns if necessary. I still don’t understand what else you are looking for from her.

 
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Jill

I don’t think you’re being insensitive. However, I have a feeling your friend hasn’t yet thought about these things as she is caught up with dental school and the wedding is still aways off. I think some people are more organized than others with matters like this. Morever, unless someone has time to do the research (or I should say makes the time), she may not know about courtesies she should extend (e.g. travel logistic information, etc). Also, I wouldn’t be shocked that she didn’t offer to pay anything– that isn’t the custom. SOME brides choose to do so our of courtesy- it really isn’t expected or required. Bottom line, I have a feeling she just doesn’t know that she should be providing information and jsut hasn’t thought about it. I would shoot her an email indicating that you would appreciate help with logistics. I have a feeling she is clueless (and I don’t mean that to insult her) about these things. I know I have learned a lot about wedding courtesies as I go through my own wedding planning process. I am embarrassed about the mistakes I have made in the past (e.g. not sending RSVP cards back)

 
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nina nina

No,you aren’t insensitive-in fact, etiquette actually requires her to take care of your lodging for the wedding itself. She isn’t a travel agent no,but that is high season for Europe,which her fiance at least,must have known, so to ask her for a little help is not unreasonable.

 
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Mrs Ant

It sounds like your friend doesn’t know much about flights to Germany either. If she knew some secret way to save money, i’m sure she would have told you.

Why don’t you shoot her fiance an email? He sounds like the frequent flier here. And you can do some internet research of your own. They might not even know about hotel recommendations because they stay with family there…

As for the tension, I think that this is just an unfortunate situation where no one is at fault. She disclosed that her wedding was to be in Germany when she asked you to be her MOH, and you could have looked up the prices then and politely declined, for very valid reasons! But you were just being a good friend when you accepted without checking the costs.

Try not to be upset that she is not helping out with your dress or travel costs. Just because other DW couples are helping their friends out doesn’t mean that your friend is expected to match that kind of generosity. Of course, it would be very considerate of her if she did, but it shouldn’t be expected.

I say that google is your friend. Do some research of your own first, and determine whether you can afford this trip. If you can’t, let your friend know how hard you tried to make it work,and ask her if she has any advice or help to offer. If it doesn’t work out, you may have to back out of the wedding. Good luck!

 
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Alina

I have a bridesmaid who is flying in from Hong Kong and am paying for her dress but she’s providing the airfare.

I think your friend may just be stressed out and has a lot of things to think about, and this is just another matter that she is now going to stress over.

Contact someone else like a family member to maybe help you out. Hope it works!

 
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Tea

i don’t think you were insensitive. its not like you were asking for her to pay your way. but maybe you didn’t get your question across well. try again in email or email the fiance.

other than that, you can use the internet as your best friend. have you tried airfarewatchdog.com? i use that site for my flights and they have some international flights. they show you different deals with airlines to specific places depending on your home airport. i just checked right now and there’s an offer for a roundtrip flight to frankfurt for $477 out of lax. they post stuff every day so you have to keep checking. hth!

 
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Tea

oops. i had lax. i just checked dallas [dfw] and there’s one for $403!

 
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lilpetunia

I am not sure where in Germany you are flying to, but sometimes it’s cheaper to book flights separate - e.g. Dallas to NYC, NYC to Frankfurt. Or whatever the case may be. Summer is generally pain to travel to Europe because that’s when everybody does it. Besides the obvious internet sites ( Orbitz, Expedia, Airfarewatchdog etc), I would check out Lufthansa website ( they are German carrier and might have some specials).

As for travels within the Europe, check out low cost carriers: RyanAir, Air Monarch, Sky Europe. They often have flights for 1 Euro + tax but you have to book well in advance. Trains are generally more expensive even with EuroRail card.

Good Luck !

 
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Kgirl

Definitely look into flying in to Frankfurt, it is a hub for Europe. Then once you get there you can get a low cost flight or train or whatever to where the wedding is. It may also help to be flexible with the dates, push her wedding to the begining of your trip, the middle or the end. Also, perhaps contact the fiance or his mother, maybe they (or some friends/family) can put you guys up when you are in town for the wedding or maybe they have friends of family who have an inn or similar and can hook you up. Also going through the fiance and fmil may ease the stress off the bride!

 
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Ginger

I know people generally love the idea of destination weddings but I absolutely HATE them. It may be cost efficient/dream wedding for the couple since they kill two birds with one stone, honeymoon and wedding, but to their friends and family who are EXPECTED to attend, it’s often a huge financial burden. At least some couples are nice enough to plan their wedding on off seasons. I NEED to attend one during a peak season and to a place I do not care to visit. I seriously am not looking forward to it all.

 
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sara

I am torn on this one. you knew the wedding was in Germany. When you said yes, you knew it was going to cost a lot. why are you so upset now? not to mention, you are technically not spending for her wedding, and more for your honeymoon, which you were going to go on anyway, no?

I think you need to just search around for better pricing, and ask her if there is a specific hotel you should stay at. if she gives you a hotel and you think it is too much $$, my opinion is you are on your own to find other accomodations.

it may sound harsh, but maybe she doesn’t have any better info for you. maybe her FMIL is taking charge of the wedding and it isn’t her choice, who knows….

 
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kp

First, I understand that you are concerned about costs and saving money on your trip, but remember that even though it is your honeymoon, this is going to be her big day. Maybe she just got stressed out by questions. She may have been upset just because she was worried that you couldn’t make it. She obviously values your friendship a great deal if she made you her Made of Honor and it would make anyone scared to think that their best friend wasn’t going to be able to go to their wedding.

Anyhow, it sounds as if there was a miscommunication and I hope it all clears up!

 
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Ms. Albatross

eh… I’m on the fence on this one. Yes, it is a lot of $ and she seems to be not entirely on the ball and everything or appropriately sympathetic, but I have a feeling there was some significant miscommunication in your conversation as you were freaking out over airfare or that maybe she is just not the right person/right time to ask her for travel advice. I would not put the burden on her for planning the Germany portion, as she does not seem up to the task. You should have accepted this bridal party offer knowing that you would be buying dress, airfare, hotel stay, etc. Yes, it is nice if the bride chips in. Yes, it is nice if she has been superwoman and has hotel blocks all picked out. But deal with the facts on the ground! Don’t call the bride back about travel advice. Do your own research on that, but call back to check in on the wedding plans etc.

Then have fun planning your honeymoon. If there happens to be an unfortunate couple days of expensive unpleasant wedding it in, chalk it up to life lessons learned and enjoy the rest, which sounds fabulous!

 
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L

I don’t think you were being insensitive at all. As a person who thinks thoughtfulness and courtesy are two of the most important personality traits, I, too, would be peeved my friend did not do the best she could to help me out. In valuing your friendship and being a true friend, the least she could do is try her best to help you out by maybe asking her FI or MIL about travel information to Germany (how hard is that to do??).

I agree with other commenters in that maybe she didn’t understand/realize your dire need of her assistance for travel advice. And if you can ask more specific questions, that will probably help her to know what she is looking for also. I would suggest that you tell her your entire situation (if you choose to), that you are working your honeymoon plans around her wedding just so you can attend. You can start off by saying that you don’t hope to be too much of an inconvenience by asking her help and that you understand she is busy with school but that you really need her help on this or else you wouldn’t be asking. And then say that you are already postponing your honeymoon and trying to kill two birds with one stone by honeymooning in Europe when you will be there for her wedding, none of which your mind at all. Tell her that it is more important for you to find a way to be a part of her wedding than it is for you and your FH to be selfishly honeymooning at a more exotic location by yourselves (not to say that Europe isn’t great for a honeymoon). Perhaps then she will understand your situation. That’s just what I would do if I were in your shoes. I’m sure this is all just a misunderstanding/miscommunication like others have mentioned. Good luck!

 
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Miss Apple

Hey everyone, thanks for the sound advice and some tough comments. -)

rain - yes, I am the only one in her wedding party except for her fiance’s brother (BM) who resides in Germany.

I don’t regret accepting her request to be her MOH because I know how important this position is and I do want to be there for her.

But it’s already been 6-8 months into her engagement and I have not been emailed or told of where her venue is, in which city to fly into, her fiances address, the ceremony location. (She did mention to me they booked the venue on some castle on a lake.)

This is all very basic information that I believe the bride should provide so her OOT guests can arrange accordingly. This is where my frustration began and I guess when Mr. Apple and I were trying to do some research on airfaire, hotel, transportation on our honeymoon we couldn’t because she hasn’t told us any wedding information. And when I do call her and ask for some help she just dismisses it like its not important to discuss.

Mr Apple and I are all for doing research, we’re cheap so we always want to get the best price.

We were not at all planning to do a European honeymoon. We were looking into vacationing in Phuket, Thailand and the southern part of Asia (Hainan, Hanoi, and possibily Cambodia). The airfare would probably be the same price but at least we would be spending less as far as traveling within Asia on food, hotel, and expeditions.

I will definitely be taking everyone’s advice on emailing her and making it more clear. Maybe she was having a bad day and didn’t want to discuss any of her wedding plans.

Thanks you guys for giving me some suggestions on airfair travel and websites! I will be looking into those asap! =)

 
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kate

One other thing to think about is that most weddings in Europe (and most other places besides the US) are not as pre-planned out affairs. A co-worker from Greece was telling me that there news of weddings is spread word of mouth a month or two before. Perhaps your friend’s family just doesn’t realize what is expected by Americans as far as advance notice and directions.

I would email your friend the exact questions you need answered to plan your trip. Let her know also you need the information within 2 weeks and that you’re happy to talk with her fiance or in laws if they would be better contacts.

Also as far as SE Asia, we just came back yesterday from our honeymoon there, including Bangkok and Phuket. Just for reference, our flights were more than what you mentioned yours to Europe would be, and that was with the extremely cheap intra-Asia flights. Also day trips like to the Phi Phi Islands cost about $100 per person. Just wanted to let you know that unless you were really planning on doing a backpacker trip, the cost would probably be equal. Just wanted to let you know so you don’t have bad feelings about how you had to compromise your honeymoon plans.

 
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Hel Hel

Maybe your friend’s mom can share a few trip planning tips? Or you two can join forces and plan the trip to Germany together?

 
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B

re: traveling in Europe I myself am not familiar with but DH goes all the time. From what I hear, would recommend just flying to one location and then doing the budget airlines as mentioned previously. Also look into Iceland Air, which includes a stopover in Rejkavik - I remember hearing their flights are usu cheaper than others.

And yes there are cultural differences (just got married in Taiwan). Except for my venue, most vendors I contacted were surprised I contacted them so early (U.S. timeline) and didn’t really get back to me until the last 1-2 months (there were venue changes made the day before the wedding), which made the last few weeks stressful for me. By American standards, my wedding planning would be considered disorganized, but by Taiwanese standards, I guess it was considered extremely well-organized.

 
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