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February 26th, 2007 @ 3:28 pm by Open Question

Hi,

I’m seeking advice on how to approach a specific money matter with my fiance. Here’s the situation.

Money has never been an issue between my fiance and I. Everything up until now has been separate, but now that we have shared expenses, I’m encountering an issue. Between the two of us, I’m the only one who has money saved up. I’ve been saving up money since my first job about 13 years ago. He’s spent every last penny of his and then some. I didn’t want to wait another 10+ years for him to save up money so we can get married, and because of that I’m forking out all the money to pay for the wedding.

Ideally, the expenses should be split between the two of us, but because of his lack of funds, it’s not. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for me to request that I be “reimbursed” by keeping the monetary gifts we receive to cover what I spent on the wedding, and the excess (if there is any) should then be deposited into our joint account. I want to know if other people think this is reasonable. I know gifts are meant for the both of us, but so should expenses. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Is this a reasonable request? If it is, what is a good way to approach it?

Thanks.

GB

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Beverly

To be very honest, I think that once you’re married to the person, neither person should feel the need to be ‘reimbursed’ by the other. I think this is an event for the both of you and for you to want to spend the rest of your life with him, the ‘yours, mine and ours’ mentality should be gone as soon as the engagement happened. I understand that it’s hard to see that all your savings are going into something when he can only input his two cents, but at the same time, come the future and there are kids in the picture, he may be the one forking out for tuition and other expenses and you wouldn’t want him feeling the same way you do. But I think that once you’re married, all the yours and mines will be an ours so it shouldn’t matter.

 
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Laura

You know, I tend to agree with Beverly above. I think a great solution might be that instead of “reimbursing” yourself into your personal account, since you’re not actually in debt, why don’t you take the money and create a joint investment to start some savings for you both as a couple? (And don’t let him spend it all either!!) Because really, that’s the best gift you can give yourself, better than just having that money in your savings account collecting virtually no interest.

On the other hand, if either of you are in any debt whatsoever, I think the money should first and foremost go to paying off debt. That’s the most important thing.

 
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Brooke

I agree with Beverly. I feel that once you’re married money is no longer his or hers, it is ours.

My fiance is not nearly as good with money as I am, but over the course of the past year has greatly improved. Every now and then I still have a hard time with his past spending, but the debt will be gone before we are married.

We have friends who each have an “allowance”. It is in the budget that each person gets a certain amount of money each month to spend on whatever they want. We plan to do the same. Other than the allowance, all expenses must be agreed upon and in our budget.

 
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Go Amie

I have to disagree with Beverly - I think the best arrangement is when each member of a couple has their own private account, and then they have a joint account for joint expenses. Having just a single pool of money opens up the possibility for a lot of abuse (intentional or not) by one partner. I think GB’s finace has already shown that he isn’t very responsible financially, and for her to have to take up all the financial slack is terribly unfair.

GB - I feel that your solution is a good one, but it will probably be hard to raise the subject with your fiance. I would take the following tack: “Fiance, I want to talk about how we are going to address the fact that I am paying for the whole wedding. I think one way to do it would be to have us pay for it out of our joint money that we get for gifts. I would pay the costs upfront, and then would be paid back from the gift money. What do you think?”

If I were you, however, I would consider how you are going to address financial issues as a couple. When you get married your tax and debt liabilites change (they’re affected by your spouse’s financial situation), and you should make sure you know what you are getting into with a man who not only can’t save money, but spends more than he makes. It’s a serious issue, and one that breaks up a lot of couples.

 
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n

Agreed with the above. I have more money saved up than my fiance and am paying for the wedding rings, the honeymoon, and a lot of the incidentals that our parents are not paying for. Although I know we’ll be getting cash as wedding presents, I see it as “our money” for the future, just like any savings that I have will be ours.

But then again, I do not intend to have individual accounts - we plan to merge everything once we get married.

 
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D

This is an issue you should discuss directly with your fiance. You both need to know how each other thinks about finances before you exchange rings.

 
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Mary

I know I’ll get a lot of crap for this… but if your man is not financially secure or just plain irresponsible in handling money or just doesn’t have any $$ to at least pay for part of the wedding….you really shouldn’t get married in the first place. If you’re having financial/mis-trust/mis-use money problems now, it’s going to be a bigger issue after you get married. My comment really applies to the mid-twenties something who should have had enough time to go out into the real world and make some money

 
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b

I totally agree with Beverly. There is no yours or mine when you get married. It might sound a little hard, but really when you are getting married to someone, you are literally saying I am sharing every part of me including the money part. You also stated in your posting that you agreed to spending your money becos you did not want to wait for him to save up.

Wish you all the best

 
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Natakie16

Just off the top of my head, don’t know how sneaky you want to be (I have the feeling I will be in the same situation when the time comes). It seems as if you have very good credit. Why don’t you open a credit card with your name and put all the wedding expenses on there, “pay it off” with the money from the wedding, when in actuality, you have already paid it off with your savings (not accruing any interest), and just put the new wedding money back into your savings. It’s horrible, I know, but it’s not exactly lying and I will probably have to do something similar myself. You can then make a deal about the savings- either he has to start to equal yours, or you only contribute (from your original savings) to a joint account when he puts money in as well.

 
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Natakie16

*I just wanted to add, I do believe in everything equal and shared after the I Dos, but it may be coming from a bit of bitterness on my part that I recognize her situation as mine, especially when said partner keeps promising he will save money and then spends $150 there, $200 there, etc :)

 
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Agirl

I understand your feeling, my fi has credit card debt that he is still about 7 months away from paying off. I feel like I end up absorbing more costs since I want all of his extra money to go towards paying off debt that he accrued before we met. It is annoying because I will end up putting up more money when we buy a house because I was frugal while he was having fun. I feel like we are more on the same page now though, and since he makes more money it will even out. We have joint checking and savings as well as personal checking and savings to give us independence. You do have to let it go/deal with it with him though, otherwise your feelings of resentment will cause big problems.

 
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FarmGal

Oooo! Good topic!

I really agree with Go Amie. My FH and I are very open about financial matters. My parents are HORRIBLE with money and were terrible role models. I was (still am) terrified at the thought of turning out like them. Surprisingly, however, I am the one that is meticulous about bills and debt (my student loans are pretty hefty from grad school), while he tends to get in over his head without noticing (bad with credit cards and paying bills).

Every financial arrangement is different for every couple. Although some posts have expressed the merging all finances is best for them, that may not be a good fit for you. It wasn’t for us. But he needs to know your feelings about paying for your wedding entirely out of your 13+ years of savings. He needs to know that your savings account cannot be his “fallback” money now, or ever.

Working out finances MUST take place before tying the knot! Stay calm, but firm about what you feel you need in order to be satisfied, yet be open to compromise. You both will need to work together to find an arrangement that fits for both of you. WITHOUT the resentment and bitterness that can develop if ignored.

 
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mike

I agree with the view that once your married you shouldn’t feel the need to be reimbursed, but the bigger issue for me is what is his view for the wedding. If he has grand wedding plans that will cost big bucks, then I think heck yes, he should have been responsible with his money in order to provide for the type of wedding he wanted. If he doesn’t mind getting married in a family/friends backyard, then I think your on your own with the expenses. Maybe you can both compromise and recoup half what you spend, and share everything over that.

 
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sherry

weddings aka business transactions

 
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Paula

I have to agree with many of those who have commented, and I’ll share my experience with you. I have a significant amount of debt from law school, and have tended to be a bit loose with getting bills paid on-time over the years; FH carries no debt, saves and invests meticulously, and has probably never paid a late fee; he also earns about twice what I do.

When we decided to get married, we set the wedding budget based on what we could afford to contribute - all our bonuses, plus an amount from each of our paychecks each month. He chose to add some savings he felt comfortable contributing - not all, of course, and in no way does it touch the “six-month-reserve-in-case-the-economy-collapses-and-we -both-wind-up-unemployed” fund. And, we agreed at the outset that our motto would be “No wedding debt!” - and we’ve stuck to it.

We’ve lived together for the last year, so we’ve addressed most of the day-to-day financial issues - he makes the house payment, and I pay for utilities, groceries, and insurance. He pays for most of our entertainment - restaurants, concerts, etc.

Once the wedding is paid for, we’ve agreed to take the same amount we’ve been setting aside for that expense to pay down my debt. This way, when it comes time to either add on to our home, or sell this house and move into something larger, my debt-to-income ratio will have improved significantly.

As hard as it will be, you must have detailed financial conversations with your FH. Since I fall into the role of your FH, as you’ve described the situation, let me tell you that it’s VERY difficult for the less financially secure partner to bring up the issue (for me, there’s a lot of emotional baggage attached to money, stemming from my parents marriage (and eventual divorce). There were a lot of tears from me and confusion from FH until I was able to articulate the emotional aspects of money to me — because it’s just not an emotional issue for him.

Because we’ve had the difficult conversations, I understand his expectations for our financial future, and I now share them (and take them seriously). I feel a great sense of responsibility for saving money, paying bills promptly, and bringing up financial issues when they arise rather than using my old tact of simply hoping the problem will fix itself.

If you’re feeling burdened and uncomfortable talking about your differences in dealing with money while you’re planning the wedding, you probably recognize it’s only going to get worse once you’re married — and the challenge is how to have the conversation now without judging your FH negatively. If you feel superior to him because you’ve saved and he hasn’t, I guarantee you he will pick up on that - and for a guy, I’d imagine there’s a lot of additional angst from being the historical “provider” that goes into it.

Good luck to you!

 
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Linda

i have to reiterate what a few people have said before, but you really need to work out how you will both handle financial responsibilities together before you tie the knot. too many couples fight about money and it gets u-g-l-y.

honestly, it is tacky to say “you have to reimburse me for half the costs of the wedding” once you both are married. you def need to sit down with him and perhaps get creative about how you will finance this together.

do you need to get married ASAP? could you wait until your fiance has saved up enough money to make you feel confident that he’s held up his end of the weight?

 
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skichik

I had the EXACT same situation. Here is how we came to an agreement.

My fiance felt bad that I had socked away so much money and he had been irresponsible, but his parents didn’t teach him otherwise. We’ve been together 6 years and the light finally went off in his head 2 years ago. Since then he’s been getting much better about saving money, he paid off his credit card debt, bought a ring and a vacation for us for the proposal and paid that off, too.

While he still wasn’t as good at saving as I was, he was getitng better. Fast forward to money talks. We wanted to buy a house. I had enough money saved up for the down payment and then some. Fi had zero. Recently he moved in. WE split everything down the middle. I fronted the money for the house, but in the mean time, fi has been packing away money. I’m saving too, but he makes more and we discovered he can even save more than me. So…all of my money is going towards the house. Fi is paying for the honeymoon. Any money we have left over will be spent on home inprovements.

There is one thing he’s paying me back each month for…dancing lessons. We decided together to take lessons. They were quite expensive (read $5000 total) for 18 months. If we paid upfront we got a 10% discount. Soooo, I paid upfront and we agreed that fi would pay my back 150 each month so we were splitting it. His half will be paid off by the wedding.

I really don’t agree with the paying you back method, or that you get all of the money after the wedding. It’s starting out kinda hostile. money is already a sensitive issue. If you put all of the money a joint account to be used for the house things after the wedding, you’d still be getting half of the money.

Who wants the wedding? If fi would be fine with a small wedding, even though you’re paying for it, isn’t it kind of for you? I have no clue what your wedding is going to be like or who wants what, but it’s just something else to consider.

It’s difficult, but part of marriage is about sharing and giving yourself to one another. I’d be leary of starting off on the wrong foot. Is he getting better with saving money? Does he see the importance now?

 
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skichik

one more thing…we’re going to have both individual and joint accounts.

Also, the house is in both of our names, even though I’m putting up all of the money right now. We’ll move into the house right before or right after we get married it will will be ours. We’re not carrying an IOUs or debt to each other into the marriage. From that point on we’re a team…now, we haven’t talked about splitting things down the middle or shifting more bills in his direction becuase he makes more…that talk will come in time.

 
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Miss Lime

I completely disagree with Natakie16’s approach. That is the sort of thing that can breed distrust in what should be your most trusting relationship. If I did something like that, it’d bother me forever.

I agree that you should calmly and succinctly talk it out with your fiance to figure out a solution for you two. I’ve heard friends’ firsthand accounts of all joint to almost all separate, and it works both ways, it just depends on the couple.

I come from the other side - when we first started talking marriage, I was heavily in student loan & credit card debt. Although, Mr. Lime didn’t ask, I made it a personal goal to pay down as much of that debt as I could before engagement or at least marriage. I did not want to carry that debt over or make him pay for something that was my responsibility. That was one reason that we decided to wait a year or two more than original “timeline.” While I did start to get impatient, I know look back and see how the new timing is a lot better in a lot of ways.

We did talk about it and his thoughts/opinions in helping me pay down the debt post wedding, but in the end, through a lot of hard work, frugality, and seriously divine intervention, I’ve been able to pay most of it off AND save my half for our wedding. It does take a HUGE attitude adjustment and change in lifestyle, though, and I don’t know your man, so I’m not sure if he’d be willing to do this to marry sooner. This antsy girl was ;).

 
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Brooke

Miss Lime- Congratulations! That’s great! My fiance had quite a bit of debt but almost has it paid off. I agree with divine intervention. It has been amazing to see money come in from places he never expected it.

I agree with everyone who has said honesty and openness with financial matters and expectations is essential to a marriage!

 
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