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Mrs. Blueberry, Kansas City Age and Occupation in 06: 21, Full-time Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 23, Full-time Student Engagement Date: September 10, 2005 Wedding Date: May 25, 2007 Venue: Wynbrick Center - a historic mansion in my hometown. About Me: We're having an intimate, 125-ish person wedding with a full-blown dessert reception. When I'm not obsessing over wedding stuff or studying for my BA in English, I'm usually playing with our two kitty cats, blogging, doing crafty things, or hanging out with Mr. Blueberry!
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Majorly, Majorly P-o’d

February 27th, 2007 @ 7:44 pm by Mrs. Blueberry

I am really upset right now.

A little bit of background info:

Mr. Blueberry’s cousin lives in Texas. He’s married and has an adorable little boy. We were happy to ask his boy to be our ring bearer, and were honored when his mom said yes. We were all very excited about having him be part of our big day.

So last night Mr. Blueberry gets a call from his parents. Apparently, our ringbearer’s mom found out that I’m not religious, and now she doesn’t want her little boy participating in our wedding. I’m not even sure what their religious beliefs are. She found out when our ringbearer’s grandparents (Mr. Blueberry’s aunt and uncle) went to visit, and happened to mention that I’m not religious. I don’t even know how the topic came up.

But now that they know I’m a big bad scary atheist, they can’t possibly expose their child to my evil ways. No, they don’t want their son to have a fun role participating in a 10-minute secular ceremony, something he was apparently very excited about.

It’s not even like I’m of a different religion…I could maybe sort of understand if they didn’t want him participating in a Jewish or Wiccan ceremony or something. But no, I’m neutral. Nothing. Not one way or the other.

This is the first time I’ve really felt insulted or discriminated against because of my (lack of) religious beliefs.

PS>Major kudos to Mr. Blueberry’s parents, though. They’re Lutheran (LCMS) and have never, ever tried to make me feel bad or inferior about my religious beliefs. They show me tons of respect and make me feel very welcome, and are a lot more understanding than some other parents could’ve been. So at least I’ve got them in my corner. :-)

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43 Responses to “Majorly, Majorly P-o’d”

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seattleaug11

Oh my gosh! I am so sorry that happened. That sucks, poor kid now he has to miss out.

 
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Anonymous

I’m sorry that this happened, and I can understand how upset you are. It is unfortunate that this boy has such closed-minded parents.

However, I also think that your statement that the ceremony was not “Jewish or Wiccan” was also very closed-minded.

The reason why the ringbearer’s mother is so off-mark and wrong is because she is being very ignorant about religion. Your statement made you seem very closed-minded as well. It should make no difference what difference the religion in question is. It would be just as wrong of the ringbearer’s mother regardless of your religious beliefs.

 
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Isabelle

You say your religious beliefs, but it sounds like you don’t have any. Riding the fence isn’t a belief. I don’t agree with the parents choice of excluding the ringbearer, but it sounds like you don’t know your fi’s family that well? I could be wrong

 
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Miss Blueberry

Isabelle–my original post had “(or lack thereof)” but it looks like Mrs Bee edited that out for clarity :-) And I do know my FI’s family quite well–like I said, they’ve been nothing but nice and accommodating o our differing beliefs. Furthermore, I’m not at all “riding the fence”–atheism is a belief, but it’s not a religion :-)

 
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Jamie

I’m sorry that that happened Miss Blueberry.

 
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Go Amie

2 - Anonymous, I don’t think Miss Blueberry is showing any closemindedness. She was pointing out that she would understand if someone didn’t want their son participating in a religious ceremony that wasn’t their religion. However, she doesn’t understand why they don’t want their son participating in something that has no religious aspects whatsoever. Miss Blueberry wasn’t saying that there was anything wrong with Judaism or Wicca, merely that she thought it would be more understandable for someone to object to another religion that to a lack of religion.

Miss Blueberry - as an atheist myself, I sympathize with your position. I can’t believe this happened to you! I wish atheism and agnosticism were more widely accepted in our society. :(

 
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Isabelle

You said your are neutral. I guess that is like being kinda pregnant? I’ve never understood atheists. They are the usually choosing that because they are mad at the world. How can you not believe in someone you talk to every day??

I’m not going to get into a pissing match with you. You don’t know your fi’s family well if you didn’t anticipate their reaction.

 
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Isabelle

Go Amie and Blueberry, I’ll pray that you are more accepted in our society!

 
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thistleorchid

Oooo my blood would be boiling too Miss Blueberry! If there had been a question about them not allowing their son to be in the wedding because of religious beliefs (or lack thereof) then they should have asked in the beginning. And to not even tell you themselves but make it come from a different source? I’d be pissed.

Isabelle - I think she meant neutral in the sense that she is not tied to one particular belief structure. This is unlike the statement being kinda pregnant. That is a black or white situation, either you are or aren’t. Being neutral is a stance in the sense that one would be accepting of all points of view but not take one in particular (at least that is how I interpret neutral in the way of religion).

I’m confused by your statement about “someone you talk to every day?” Could you clarify what you meant by that?

Also, it sounds as though the child in question is from the extended part of the family, not the FI’s direct nuclear family. My FI happens to have over 30 “cousins” that are everything from first cousins to fifth cousins generations removed. They live all over the country and while I have met many of them, I can’t say that I know all of them as well as I know my FI’s parents, grandmother, and sister who I would say I know quite well. My FI knows my family very well (and by family here I mean, parents, sister, brother in law, niece, and nephew), but he doesn’t know many of my second cousins b/c we’re just not that close. In fact, he’ll be meeting some of them for the first time at our wedding. I wouldn’t say that makes him not know my family well though.

 
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susan

I’m sorry this had to happen to you Miss Blueberry - I’m personally Christian myself, but I would never exclude family because of their beliefs (most of my family isn’t Christian anyway). Blood is thicker than water, and she should realize that you are ultimately going to become a part of the family. *sigh* It’s people like this that make me shake my head. I don’t think God would have ever pulled his own son out of anything because someone didn’t believe in Him.

 
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Shannon

That’s terrible. It’s a shame that the little boy has to be excluded, especially if he was looking forward to it.

I don’t think Miss Blueberry is being closed-minded at all or “on the fence.” If she chooses to remain neutral and not tied to any certain religion, I think that’s a totally valid choice.

Personally, I’m Catholic, but I would have no problem allowing my child (if I had one) to participate in wedding in another faith. Or no faith at all. It’s not as if you’re trying to convince her son to stop believing - you just want him to be a part of your day. Too bad for him and for you that his mother is so closed-minded.

Miss Blueberry, I hope you’re able to enjoy your day anyway. It should be a celebration, so try not to let it get you down.

 
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Lowy

I’m really sorry that this happened, Miss B. Religion can be such a touchy and personal issue - just looking at this thread shows how easily things can be misinterpreted! I have 2 comments:

1) Anytime I see/hear the word “apparently” in reference to a family issue, that’s a sure sign that things are getting passed from person to person and possibly misinterpreted. I don’t want to cause you any more pain or conflict, but would it be at all possible for you to talk directly to the boy’s mom? She might be able to explain her beliefs to you in a respectful way. I am planning an Interfaith ceremony, and certain people I care about have respectfully told me that they disagree with this decision - their opinion hurts, but when they explained their very personal feelings about religion and marriage, I ended up feeling a lot better. This woman probably doesn’t think you’re ‘big and scary’, but she may have strong feelings about marriage. If you can handle hearing them, maybe you can find a way to respect each other by the time of the wedding. She’s going to be in the audience anyway, so it would probably make your day better not to feel like there’s a hater out there!

2) One thing that really touched me in your post was your concern for the little boy. Imagine how confused he must be to hear that the ceremony he was so excited about is somehow not okay anymore! I am wondering if there’s another way for him to be part of the day, so he can still have something to look forward to - like maybe he can be part of a special dance during the reception, or can help you toss the bouquet. Maybe his excitement and your caring for him can also help you and his mom find some common ground.

 
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MissBree

Oh man. People like that make religion look really unappealing to those of us who don’t have a particular set or beliefs. For what it’s worth, I would let it go and not breathe a word of it to anyone that would let the word out that you are mad. That kind of idiocy is not worth getting into a family battle over. Just chalk it up to ignorance and self-righteousness and let it go.

Your wedding will be great sans the ring bearer.

 
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Anonymous

I agree with MissBree. Your wedding will be great anyway. :)

I feel that sometimes certain individuals miss the entire idea of treating people equally, even despite different religious beliefs. you are still a loving individual and that should be respected as well.

 
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dD

you’re gona get good apples and bad apples in the same barrel. doesn’t matter if the barrels are religious or not. the kid’s parent’s are being narrow-minded but at the same time it does involve their son and they may just be freaking out a bit. they may just be thinking about what message and beliefs they will be imprinting on their son and not necessarily trying to insult you.

and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being neutral! it’s like the color off-white. it’s not white-white. it’s not beige or pearl. it’s just a little off. isabelle needs to get off her high horse.

 
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J

“How can you not believe in someone you talk to every day??” - WHAT??

 
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Darlene

The whole situation is unfortunate. In the end, it is the boy’s parents’ decision if they don’t want him to participate. If your fiance does not feel like he can talk to his cousin about the situation and have them change their mind, just let it go - like some of the other posters have already said, your wedding will be wonderful nonetheless.

 
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anne

i’m christian also but i agree w/Blueberry (and Susan & Shannon) i think what they did was judgemental and wrong. especially when they had already promised to have their son as a ringbearer…besides, it’s your special wedding…
my sympathies….

 
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chichaiko

Hang in there Miss Blueberry, at least you have Mr. Blueberry and his family that are welcoming you with open arms.

My bf and I are “broken up” or on a “hiatus” …not sure which one it is– happened just last night… but it’s over religion. because he is Christian and I am not. he is having a hard time seeing a ‘common ground’ for raising kids in the future… so… yeah,
unfortunately, no matter how much lover there is, we may really be going our separate ways…

With that said, love and keep an open mind, and your wedding/marriage will be great regardless!

 
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Lisa

it seems unfair that your ring bearer has been pulled out of the ceremony because you don’t share the same religion as your fiance’s extended family, but i can see why lacking religious belief would be considered the same as having a whole other religion.

either way, it’s not fair because even if you labeled yourself lutheran like your future in laws, it wouldn’t at all mean that you have the exact same beliefs as all other lutherans! i think that Lowy offered some great and really mature advice. i’m sure you’ll at least feel less like a victim of discrimination (which is a terrible feeling!) if you’re able to try to understand your future cousin’s decision. good luck with everything, and try not to let this issue get you too down. it sounds like you’re going to gain a wonderful immediate family, and i’m sure your wedding will be wonderful!

i had a similar experience as a child when my mother (she’s christian) wouldn’t let me participate in o-bon dancing (it’s technically a buddhist/shinto festival to honor the dead, but in reality it’s more like a japanese cultural thing (like how tons of non-christians celebrate christmas)) because she thought it might somehow make me buddhist. i consider myself agnostic in spite of not being allowed to participate, so it’s funny how things work out!

 
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Mrs. Blueberry, Kansas City Age and Occupation in 06: 21, Full-time Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 23, Full-time Student Engagement Date: September 10, 2005 Wedding Date: May 25, 2007 Venue: Wynbrick Center - a historic mansion in my hometown. About Me: We're having an intimate, 125-ish person wedding with a full-blown dessert reception. When I'm not obsessing over wedding stuff or studying for my BA in English, I'm usually playing with our two kitty cats, blogging, doing crafty things, or hanging out with Mr. Blueberry!

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