Hi everyone!
As you can see below, our beehives have been getting out of control lately. It’s a lot of work for Miss Lovebug and I, and we also get a ton of emails from users. So we’re considering launching a board as an experiment - kind of like a larger beehive. We’ve talked about boards before and got feedback from readers worrying that they’d devolve into unmoderated attack boards. But we’d work with the community to create and enforce a boards policy, similar to how we’ve been doing it for weddingbee.
Do you think boards are inherently abusive? Or do you think we can make boards work, if we work together?
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I think boards could definitely work. It’ll definitely be easier to read and follow a thread.
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Mrs. Bee, I totally think you could have well-moderated boards.
Take a peek at http://smith.dailyjolt.com/alumaneform. This is an alumna board run by a website affiliated with my college. While there are occasionally *bad* posters on this and the regular forum (geared towards current students) most of the regular posters are respectful, etc. It’s a GREAT place to be asking questions!
My two cents: I think that all users should have to register, and that it should be very clear that the boards have rules/are moderated.
Is there any worry that the board might be too much to moderate in and of itself, and become a lot of work that way?
I think they would be a great addition. You should give them a try and if they don’t work then at least you can say your tried.
i agree that boards would be a great addition to the already wonderful weddingbee website… i must admit that the Hive can be hard to read/comment/follow up on…
It’s something I’d actually considered suggesting to you guys. So many times I want to ask a certain commenter a question about something they said, and have to ask it openly in the comments for that post, hoping the reader will check back. If there was a way we could do a board that also have a private messaging (PM) feature, it would be great.
Maybe you could set it to where one of you has to approve each new topic. That way you don’t have to gather all questions, organize them, reword/condense them, link them to their original post and make sure you didn’t miss anyone. You wouldn’t be able to control snarky responses, but with the exception of the hot-button issues, we are generally pretty mild around here. Also, approving the topics would help avoid spam and general nonsense.
I also agree with having to register (at least to use the board.)
Aliya - I went to Smith too! I love our alumnae forum! It’s nice to see Smithie faces around - we’re everywhere!
As for the board - I definitely think it could work however the one thing I have against boards and what has recently been happening in Beehive too is that people tend to ask questions before doing any research at all (or at least, that’s how it seems). Sometimes a simple google search or even the fab new google weddingbee search will provide the answer - the questions have been asked and answered before! Sadly, I have no ideas on how to monitor this though other than continuing to suggest to people through the rules/guidelines that they search before they ask!
I think a WeddingBee board would be great! I think one of the reasons a lot of people come to WeddingBee is because it is a more positive atmosphere than, say the *ahem* Knot message boards.
Enforcing strict community guidelines and having moderators would be the key to keeping it a constructive and useful board, though. Maybe you could ask for volunteers to moderate boards?
And as a commenter above mentioned, you could always get rid of it if it doesn’t work out.
I LOVE this idea. Things are more up-to-date and interactive on a board! It could definitely allow for more organization. If boards are well-moderated, I’ve found that they can become a realllly great community.
I think it could work. Boards are naturally open to web-rage since the internet let’s us be anonymous and as brides-to-be we can all get pissy sometimes.
I knot a lot and am a regular on the Destination Weddings board. We aren’t registered for anything special but we seem to do a good job of self-regulating. So even in the chaos of all the other boards, we are a nice, helpful oasis on that site. It is possible to have nice wedding message board if the participants work together.
boards would not be preferred on weddingbee. the style of weddingbee is actually attractive. although there’s a lot of helpful posters, there’s also disrespectful posters taking over the site as if they “own” it(i.e., knot boards). it also gives weddingbee “something different” than other sites (i.e., knot). weddingbee is nice as is, especially with all the great bees and posters.
I think it should at least be given a try. If it doesn’t work it can always be taken down.
Way back when someone suggested having a FAQ page for generic questions that often come up in the Beehive - that may help with the plethora of questions.
I also feel that Weddingbee should stay away from boards. I don’t see how you could keep it from turning into another version of the knot boards.
As someone who has lots of questions and would like a friendly forum in which to discuss them, I like the idea…. but I also wonder if it will at all take away from the unique nature of Weddingbee. Will having boards take the focus off of the super-creative, diverse and well-spoken Bees that have been specifically chosen to blog about their experiences? As a non-Bee, I still appreciate the exclusivity of the Bees because I think it brings focus to the site. It is much easier for readers to follow along with each Bee’s process and personality when there is a limit to how many Bees there are. It is part of why I read every day.
What if instead of it turning into a discussion board with scattered posts about anything and everything, it is organized so that each new string begins with a specific question (asked by a registered member) that has been approved by Mrs. Bee/Miss Lovebug/another moderator in which people can then answer? Meaning, it’s not a place for the “I hate my boss” or “What should I eat for lunch?” kind of posts, but a place specifically for wedding/relationship Q&A. This would cut down on the clutter and snarkiness that many boards experience while still fostering an open “help me help you” kind of atmosphere.
Does that make any sense? Have I gone off my rocker???
I agree with n’s comment about how weddingbee distinguishes itself from theknot. I like weddingbee’s intimate feel and don’t want it to be compromised. If someone has a pressing question, they already have a place to go: theknot (just pray that none of the mean, cliquish posters misinterprets their question and decides to attack them online). If they want a place dedicated to great DIY and planning advice, then they go to weddingbee. Perhaps you could limit the # of questions on the Hive and only put it out 1-2 times per week (i.e. Hive Monday and Hive Thursday?) so that you can control the content to include only the most helpful questions?
Great point Brooke! Being able to watch how each Bee’s wedding unfolds not only keeps you focused on each each person’s journey but also endears you to particular writers. i.e. l love love love Miss. Snow Pea, Mrs. Caterpillar, Mrs. Orchid, and Mrs. Bee b/c their circumstances were so similar to mine.
I welcome a WeddingBeeBoard and agree that the Beehive must take a lot of time to consolidate. Hopefully a BeeBoard won’t turn into the (sometimes) hostile environment found on other bridal boards.
Lately I find I do have questions that were not previously addressed nor can I find the info I’m desiring from a Google search (I love my Google searches!).
Weddings have become much more creative in the last decade perhaps due to the Martha Stewart in all of us. WeddingBee is quite inspiring and I only hope a BeeBoard continues that warm, fuzzy feeling!
I think it would work too. I agree with Tessa, give it a try. I mean, Weddingbee readers have generally been pretty good (hopefully it stays that way!) and as long as everyone remembers why it is they like Weddingbee, they should hopefully stay tame. (I hope that made sense)
I really like the idea of having boards! I think it’d be a great way to expand the beehive.
There are MANY successful boards out there that don’t have the problems that some boards have (i.e. TROLLS). Proper moderating & control is key. You have to have enough workers/volunteers to keep up with the moderation. But, it can definitely work.
Good luck with whatever you decide!
I think that it would be a great idea as well. Check out the switchboards, it’s a board for women with small businesses. They have different catergories in which to post questions and I have never seen problems with the boards there. You do have to register to be able to post questions and answers but its worth it because there is a wealth of information there.
I actually thought about this before that I wish weddingbee had a messageboard…let’s do it!
I love the idea. Maybe you could give all of the bees some overall guidelines as to what’s acceptable and not acceptable on the boards and you can have like a million bee moderators?? Just an idea…but I definitely think it can work and it’ll be super helpful.
Problems I’ve noticed with the Beehive (might be solved by a board approach):
1. A lot of the beehive questions repeat subjects just recently discussed; these posters could be redirected to the links to recent prior discussions. Granted, wedding questions repeat, but more than weekly is boring (and seems lazy — check the new google search bar!).
2. Other beehive questions are so broad (What kind of ceremonies are there?) or case-specific (What should the order of ceremony be for my wedding?) that it’s not really something people can help answer. In those cases, maybe the editor can get the poster to narrow it down or provide some background/detail/context.
Hi thistleorchid!
I forgot to mention that I also like the indiebride boards — also not snarky.
I like boards! None of the ones I’ve been a part of in the past have been snarky. My favorite one right now is mustloveweddings, but having one here could be really fun and definitely different.
I’m in the minority and resist the change. I do agree that it would be more organized but fear that it will take away from the bee.
I like that weddinbee is focused on the ideas of the blogging bees. It’s what distinguishes it from other sites, as others have said. I’m afraid that adding a forum will shift that focus, but maybe I’m wrong.
I’m on a board, stlwed.com, for weddings and we have two types of forums. One is for brides and one is for vendors. The brides one is all chit-chat and gets very off topic since it’s based on theknot. The vendors one is nice. It’s a little bare right now since it only recently opened. Vendors are not allowed to advertise for themselves but rather it’s more of an “expert opinion” section. Vendors don’t fight amongst themselves and neither do brides. If the Bees opened a board, I would prefer it to follow the expert opinion example rather than the gab and chat of theknot.
Wow, I too agree that the Beehives are getting out of control….message board it is. We’re all mature people here and should be able to handle constructive posting. I do agree though that registering before posting should be mandatory. Oh, and maybe with a flag system for comments that are out-of-line.
Personally, I go to Wedding Bee to get AWAY from the boards. The boards tend to be a popularity contest between posters to see who has the longest journal or who has the most stars by their name, newbies getting accused of being vendors when they really just don’t get the already-established buddy-board rules. I think creating the boards may take away from what the heart is to weddingbee, which is unique in concept and I just love reading everyone’s blogs without having to filter through the snarkiness.
i think with registration and moderation, a board could work quite well to address the beehive issues. it’s worth a trial run at least.
i was registered with a board a few years ago that had a moderator and required you to register to post/comment and i’d say 95% of the posts and comments weren’t offensive or rude in anyway. you are always going to get those few people tho. but that’s no reason not to give it a try. i think revamping the beehive into a board format would organize the Q&A’s much better. honestly, i don’t even look at the beehive sometimes b/c i know the responses are all over the place.
for those who are worried about it, if it’s a separate link and the only change to the weddingbee site itself is the lack of the beehive bits, then not much will change around here… just a new wing on the hive that is optional to visit. ![]()
I don’t really like boards.. but it could really help with the organization. HOWEVER, you could totally ask the help of some regulars around here to be moderators, which would really take a lot of weight off of you and Lovebug
I think if the boards were well organized and had moderators that would be a great idea. Definitely I would make posters register.
It could be lots of fun!
Maybe you can create a side forum just for the hive and for brides to share their wedding stories. That way you can limit it, and also so it doesn’t become another knot board, which I can’t stand….
I am in the minority that dislikes boards, I think that they bring out the absolute worst in people. I’ve never seen a single discussion board where it didn’t eventually degenerate into snarkiness and childish popularity contests as the user base grew - Indiebride being a case in point (I actually stopped visiting there 9 months ago because it was turning into the Knot).
I like Weddingbee just the way it is, the blog format is a refreshing change from the obnoxious behavior of people on boards! don’t change it!
What if you simply change the Beehive format so that it is not in the mix of the daily Bee posts, but still accessible through the “features” button, with each question listed individually? The questions would still need to go through Mrs. Bee/Miss Lovebug before they appear in the Beehive, but each question could be individually addressed in its own string without as much confusion, and people could still reply to them just as they do now. It would be more organized and more welcoming for those with questions, but it would be less of a board that could be subject to snarkiness. (This is kind of what I already said in post #17 above, but described a little better, I hope
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I think for boards to work, they would require a lot of moderating, which would defeat the purpose of less work! The only online forum I visit regularly is the TV website televisionwithoutpity.com. The forums there are great because they remain civil even when people get very worked up about their favorite TV shows. BUT the site has very strict rules and is very carefully moderated–trollish posts are deleted almost immediately and repeat offenders are quickly banned. It seems like a huge amount of work, and they have quite a large staff to deal with it.
Honestly, though I’ve asked a couple questions in the Beehive myself, I think you could do away with it altogether or make it a twice-weekly thing instead of daily. I also think every question need not be posted–some recent questions have been the sort of generic etiquette questions whose answers you can find anywhere, and seem to be asked not out of a genuine wish for advice but simply to stir the pot and create the kind of circular arguments that are already everywhere on the knot. I’d rather not have the Beehive at all than have to wade through that sort of stuff.
You might narrow the focus of the Beehive to DIY questions alone since that is the aspect that makes Weddingbee unique (questions about makeup artist recommendations or places to buy cute favors, etc. are very well covered elsewhere).
So, in short, I guess I come down on the side of leaving the forums to places like the knot and keepng Weddingbee a simple blog with comments.
I also have to say no message boards. When I first got engaged, I was really excited to visit the Knot message board and while some posters have been really helpful and sweet, others are downright mean. I don’t consider it a “safe” place to ask questions. I would worry that Wedding Bee, which seems to have a great group of reads right now, would devolve into something like that.
I like Wedding Bee the way it is, with maybe stricter guidelines regarding the type of questions posted in beehive. I like the idea of limiting beehive questions to just those related to DIY projects.
I’m a little late - but I vote yes on a well moderated and well spirited board. It would proubably take a full time person just to keep such a board helpful and positive and not let it fall in to where the knot boards have. I’m so sick of their snarky high-school attitudes.
The beehive, as helpful as it is, is much to hard to read and keep track of topics in. JMO.
No boards please! Look at the knot esp wedding woes in particular. I would hate for the wedding bee to be hijacked by rude, snarky and insecure posters.
i’d say yes to the boards with good moderation and forced registration to post (not to view or search.) it would help in double beehive postings, and i think a lot faster than theknot’s boards, which seem to be SO slow for me.
don’t allow for pictures in signatures, or for avatars, or for ratings of users. perhaps even keep the moderators anonymous. all of these things breed animosity on almost any message board.
unfortunately, about the cliques, it’s nearly unavoidable. you may want to focus the boards down and force everyone to stay on topic, with no off topic board, which is usually where the cliques form.
anything about a wedding will breed competition, no matter how hard you try. it’s up to the users to be adult about it. and if there are mean spiteful people like the ones on the craigslist wedding discussions, they just need to be promptly banned.
your workload will increase as administrators however, running the boards in addition to the site. this is just my experience from moderating another set of forums.
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