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Feminist Addressing

July 19th, 2007 @ 2:43 pm by Mrs. Peppermint

I wouldn’t call myself a feminist. I mean, I went to an all-girls school for my formative years (7th - 12th grade) and took quite a few classes on the subject, but regardless, it just isn’t how I see myself. I remember one of my teachers (who DOES consider herself a feminist) made the point that modern women don’t want to call themselves feminists. This struck me as strange. I never thought there was a stigma against it. But many of the women she brought up did things or held ideals that most people would call feminist, yet still the women denied the term. Why women avoid it I do not know, but maybe I’m one of them. I’m in denial of my inner-feminist.

Nonetheless, when I started compiling the addresses for the invitations and STD’s I was faced with a quandary. Now, Emily Post would tell me to address couples as (Man’s First Name) (Last Name Here) eg Mr. & Mrs. John Smith, but somehow that feels sexist. Or what about when you write it to The John Smith Family. I think that’s the most formal and traditional way to address invitations, but it definitely feels a bit male-centric. Should I just nix the first name and write to The Smith Family? But does that make it sound less formal?

How are you addressing your invites to couples (with the same last name) and families?

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turtle

I addressed them according to the couple. I know some wives who don’t mind be part of a mr and mrs. smith duo. Other women I know are admantly against taking their husband’s name, so I addressed it as two separate names. With Families I did, The Smith Family.

or you can do as some mail spammers do:
Christina Hill or current resident. :)

 
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Tanya

I don’t think it sounds less formal to use “the Smith Family” instead of “the John Smith Family” (which sounds kind of weird to me)

Most couples of my parents’ generation, I addressed to Mr. and Mrs. Hisfirstname Theirlastname. For my friends, I asked them how they wanted to be addressed. Heck, one couple got theirs addressed to Mr. and Mrs. Herfirstname Theirlastname!

But the inner envelopes were addressed to Hisfirstname and Herfirstname Theirlastname.

 
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tofu

i totally agree. i’m addressing our invites this way:

single: jane doe
couple but not married: jane doe & john smith
married: jane & john doe
family: doe family

ladies first! :)

 
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MP

I’ve been struggling with this myself, especially since we aren’t using inner-envelopes. I addressed a lot of invites to “The Smith Family” because we’re having a casual wedding, but I think it would be fine if you were having a fancy party, too. Maybe spend a little to have a calligrapher address the invites–that always seems fancier to me.

Invitation wording is a big pain in the you-know-what…GL!

 
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thistleorchid

Similarly to turtle, I took what I thought the couple would like/wouldn’t like into consideration. As far as the ettiquette rules go, it should be:

Mr. and Mrs. John Smith if they are a married couple that wouldn’t mind using the joint name

Ms. (or Mrs.) Jane Jones and Mr. John Smith if they are a couple where the woman kept her name (women always come first when you’re listing them together on the outer envelope)

Ms. Jane Jones
Mr. John Smith If they are a couple who is not yet married but living together - note that the woman comes first but they are on different lines and they don’t get an “and” because “and” indicates marriage

If the man lives without the woman and you’re addressing it to him but including her in the invite, her name goes on the inner but not the outer like this: Ms. Jones (next line) Mr. Smith. (same holds true if you’re inviting her with a guest that you know the name of, but not living together)

And last but not least, if doing a whole family, then it’s Mr. and Mrs. John Smith (or see above if she’s kept her name) on the outer envelope and on the inner envelope, it’s:
Mr. and Mrs. John Smith
John Jr. and Susan

Hope that helps! I’ve done so much research on this that I’m glad to let someone else have it all!!

 
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LS

I’m doing mine the same was as tofu, although for the guests that my FMIL is inviting, everyone on the list she sent me was “Mr and Mrs John C Smith”……sooooo that’s how I adressed hers.

What I decided is however people respond on the RSVP cards, is how their table cards will read. Most of FMIL’s friends responded “Jane and John Smith” rather than the formal Mr and Mrs. And funnily enough, one of my mom’s friends (who I adressed to Jane and John Smith) came back with an RSVP for “Mr and Mrs John C Smith”. So I guess her table card will read Mrs John C Smith.

Overall, our wedding is pretty casual and modern, so I felt fine adressing the envelopes informally. I would say do what feels right for you and FI, Emily Schmemily

 
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Melanie

Traditional, which of course includes respecting what a person prefers to be called.

http://www.crane.com/navContentProduct.aspx?NavName=Etiquette_Tips&DeptName=Etiquette_Wedding&Name=WedEt_AddressingEnvelope

 
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davis2b

I kept it simple…

Single: Ms. Jane Doe
Couple: Mr. & Mrs. John Doe
Family: The Doe Family
Unmarried Couple: Ms. Jane Doe
Mr. John Smith

 
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CJ

I am like you, the “Mr. & Mrs. His FName LName” thing kinda weirds me out! In fact I refuse to be announced that way at our wedding! (I’m not a feminist either, but doing it that way feels like you have completely lost our own identity in getting married.). So, I think that the Her FName & His FName LName is appropriate (Martha even said so!). If you address the invite to “The Smith family” people will assume they can being their children - so make sure thats what you are intending!

 
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C-girl

Cool, I’m glad to seeing this discussed. I’m doing mine the same way as Tofu.

My grandmother always drove my mother crazy by addressing everything to Dr. and Mrs. John Smith, when it should in fact be Dr. Smith and Dr. Jones.

That’ll be the day when some guy is introduced or recives a letter sent to Mr. Jane Smith.

 
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Abi

Oh wow. I haven’t even started thinking about things like this. Thanks to everyone for all of the suggestions that have been posted!

 
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Melanie

C-girl: Your grandmother wasn’t incorrect to default to Mr & Mrs for social correspondence, but was incorrect if your mother told her she’d rather be called doctor.

 
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AmandaB

ls-
you mention you’re doing placecards however you received the response cards.

Our response cards looked like this:
M____________

so we had some “M__r & Mrs Mark Smith”
and we had some “M__ark & Jane Smith”
hehe…

We addressed (we had outer envelopes only) couples as “Mr and Mrs John Smith” or “Mrs. Jane Smith and Mr. John Doe” if they are married, but the woman kept her name. We followed the “etiquette” guidelines as closely as possible - for having outer envelopes only though.

 
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Chrissie

I really dislike the whole “Mr. & Mrs. HisName HisName” thing as well. I did change my name, but not my first name!

Anyways, this is what we did.

Older/Conservative Peeps: Mr. & Mrs. John Doe
Other Married Couples: Mr. & Mrs. John & Jane Doe
Married Couple w/Different Names: Ms. Jane Smith & Mr. John. Doe

 
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Mrs Ant

I too mused over this for one invitation in particular. There was one couple where the wife was my good friend, had kept her own last name, and her husband was being invited as her guest. It simply felt wrong to address them as “Mr and Mrs John Doe”.

So instead, I addressed them as “MRS and Mr Jane Smith”… and she loved it! She got such a kick out it. :-)

 
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Chrissie

BTW, I received the advice to stay away from the word “family”. You never know how many people your guests will think that includes!

We did the couple’s name on the outside, then on inside envelope listed: Jane, John, Mark & Susie

That way we were super clear as to who was invited!

 
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is it okay to put mr. and mrs. hisname hername theirlastname?

that keeps it formal and keeps both names too. is that just never done?

 
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Red

Same as Tofu. We used everyone’s first names to customize the actual invites except for our elders in which case we used Mr & Mrs.

 
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e

same as tofu. and we didn’t do the M____ on the rsvp. we put Name(s)____ I hate the M____ I don’t know why. When I see the M___ I usually fill it in with a stupid sentence that starts with M. (mountain goats love pickles!) And then put a little note like “Can’t wait!” and sign it with our names. i have had a little trouble with the escort cards though. if i invited a guy and he brings some girl i’ve never met before, it seems like they’ll be looking for a card under his name, not her name, so the guys name first JUST in those instances. But then I realized they’d figure it out by looking at the rest of the cards - ladies first, so I switched it back.

 
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turtle

This similar topic came up in my alumni messageboard, but more related to changing our name. I went to an all-women’s college where we are notoriously known for throwing female only bra parties and being extreme feminists… with that said, many of the alumni worried about losing their identity if they took their husband’s name.

When it came time for me to change my name, I never looked at it as losing my identity, but merely adding to my identity. Part of who I am now is who I am married to. Plus, I love his family and I am proud to share their name. With that said though, I was sad to lose mine, especially since my father has no sons to “carry on his lineage”. After some thought, I realized that I didn’t need to lose my name (hyphenating our last names just sounded silly when said outloud), so I change my middle name to read the formal version of my korean name, as a tribute to my heritage and to my family name.

(just a tangent) :)

 
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Miss Peppermint, LA/Palm Springs Age and Occupation: 23, Actress Fiance's Age and Occupation: 24, Web Producer Engagement Date: October 21, 2006 Wedding Date: December 2007 Blogging Since: July 2, 2007 Venue: historic estate overlooking the heart of Palm Springs About Me: I am a Southern California native who enjoys cooking, writing, travel and all things in the arts. Mr. Peppermint and I met in college and he proposed on our four year anniversary in one of our most special places, Joshua Tree National Park. We're having a destination wedding in Palms Springs that will incorporate tradition as well as reflect our personalities!

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