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Mrs. Peony, New York Age and Occupation: 27, Marketing Coordinator Fiance's Age and Occupation: 30, QA Engineer Engagement Date: June 28, 2007 Wedding Date: April 18, 2008 Venue: The Fountainhead Blogging Since: August 7, 2007 About Me: Both Mr. Peony and I are huge computer nerds, and our conversations usually consist of the latest gadgets, programming languages, and video games. At the same time, I can also be very girly with an obsession with handbags, makeup, and high heels. And art! I've studied studio art extensively, almost majored in art history, and freelance as a web and graphics designer. Mr. Peony and I are having a ball of a time planning a wedding for 250(!) guests, doing our best to infuse our personalities (geeky chic) with the wishes of our very traditional Asian parents.
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How Are You Paying For Everything?

August 21st, 2007 @ 1:54 pm by Mrs. Peony

The average American wedding costs almost $28,000. Taking into consideration that the median household makes less than that, it’s alarming just how much one day can cost you.

Now, I won’t lie - I’m having a large wedding for 250 guests and it will cost more than the annual salary at my first job. Since I started wedding planning, several of my friends have asked me how we’re managing to pay for such an expensive event. My answer is the Korean kye.

When I first started working full-time, my parents knew that I wouldn’t be able to save much money on my own - I need discipline! So when a friend of theirs started a new kye they asked me to join.

The Korean kye, which means contract or bond, is a credit rotating system built on trust and honesty. It dates back hundreds of years when it was first used to pay official grain loans and military taxes. Since then, the kye has been transformed to finance small businesses, weddings, and funerals. These days, the kye is not only a financial function but a social one as well, where members meet every month to socialize, choose the winner, and celebrate. Kye’s can give a lending hand to new immigrants with no or little credit history (in fact, there are several papers out there which discuss how kye’s were one of the driving factors in helping the first Korean immigrants start their lives in the states). Plus, the monthly meetings are great places to socialize, network, and have good food and drinks.

A typical kye has fifteen members who contribute $500 every month. The winner of the jackpot (in this case, $500 x 15 = $7,500) may be determined by lottery or a group vote. The kye will continue until every member has won once, at which time the group can choose to disband or start a new kye.

So what happens if someone wins the first one and runs off with the money? This very rarely happens, for two reasons: 1.) you only join kye’s with people who you trust, and 2.) if you do, you will be a social outcast for the rest of your life. Koreans talk and gossip, and we all have families all over the world. Or we know someone who knows someone - unless you run away to a remote place with no contact with your previous life, you will get caught and there will be consequences.

I’ve heard of million-dollar kye’s in LA where people try to run off with the money and get caught. I’ve also heard of $50 kye’s in Korea among high school girls who pool the money for plastic surgery.

Now I know what you’re all thinking: how’s this different from depositing money into a savings account? Well, depending on how the kye is set up, you can actually earn interest if you decide to be one of the latter winners. For example, the kye that I’ve joined has a 10% interest rate. After you win, you must start putting in an extra 10% in addition to your monthly payments. So, in a sense, the first person to win is actually taking out a loan at 10% rate without any credit checks or leaving any blemishes on their credit history. The last person who wins makes 10% on their investment. What about those in the middle, who will come out about even? Even if you don’t profit at the end, you still join to help out your friends who may need quick cash to start a business, buy a car, etc.

I will be winning my kye towards the end of the cycle, which means that I will have made some money - enough to pay for my wedding and some change left over to start our new life together.

How are you paying for your wedding?

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63 Responses to “How Are You Paying For Everything?”

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whao–I have never heard of a Kye before! That is pretty cool!

 
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Mrs. Bee (message)  3,235 posts, Sugar bee

i totally want to get in on one, and i’ve tossed the idea around with a couple of my friends.

most of the people i know participate in a $1000 a month kye - a friend put down a down payment on her condo when it was her turn to take the pot ($20,000!).

 
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aoedorothee

whoa! i’ve never heard of this before! so everyone basically just puts in money in a pot for each other and takes turns using it? that’s really nice and a sign of strong bonds of friendship!

 
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Moi

I never heard of this before. So how do you know you will win? Does the person with the most need/urgency get priority?

 
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Our_Special_Day

Wow, my Grandmother used to do that, I didn’t know young people do it too! I remember hearing stories of people running off with the huge sums of money. I would think those people maybe got in with not trustworthy people in order to earn a higher interest?

We paid for our wedding ourselves with savings.

 
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Miss Peony (message)  314 posts, Helper bee

Haha I’m such a bad saver all on my own that I joined another one last year for our condo! So one is for our wedding and another for the down payment on our new condo. It was tough at first, seeing all that money go, but I’m so happy to say that I can have my dream wedding without being a burden to my parents.

After seeing how it works, now Mr Peony talks about starting one with his friends….

 
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Amy

so the real benefit of this is if someone needs a big wad of cash for a downpayment, wedding, etc and they “win” either first or somewhat early in the process?

i’m curious to know where the money is kept and who has access to it.

thanks for sharing!

 
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tofu

interesting concept! never heard of it. what happens if two people want/need the money at the same time (ie. weddings in the same month)? who gets it?

 
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noel

so do you have to be an immigrant to join one? I don’t really get it.

 
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christina

I have heard of this from a Korean friend who saved for her wedding this way. I wish my family did this though… not sure if I trust some of them with my money.
As for how I did it- I started saving money about 7 months before we were engaged, and continued saving there after (it’s all about INGdirect). Our wedding budget is 12k with our honeymoon being about 6k… not the 28k average.

 
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tofu

good question, amy (#7)! who gets to be the banker w/ access to the $$$?

 
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Miss Peony (message)  314 posts, Helper bee

Hi Amy - every kye is different, as all the rules are set by its members at the beginning. The two that I’m in have similar rules, which is that if more than one person wants to win in a particular month, all the members vote to decide who is in need of that money more. Every month, the members (in this case, my mom takes my share of the money for me) get together at a restaurant or a member’s house to celebrate and that’s where the money is exchanged. Oh, and the winner for that month usually pays for everyone’s dinner.

 
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Miss Cherry Blossom (message)  723 posts, Busy bee

Dang - that’s pretty awesome.

 
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brenda

I went in on one with shady people and the person just before it was my turn took off with the money! So I was left with nothing. It was only about $800.00 ( thankfully it was a small version) But I missed that money. :(
I learned my lesson but it sounds great if you are in it with the right people.

We have been saving for a long time to pay for it ourselves. Our culture isn’t into the whole “sponsor” gifts and my mom has just handed us a nice amount that is letting us breathe a little easier but all in all, it’s mainly just us.

 
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Tea

i’ve never heard of this. my mom’s been holding out! i’ll have to ask her. haha. other than that, i’ve been saving for a little over a year now with ing direct. i’d like to have the bulk of the money with both our parents chipping in what they can.

 
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Mrs. Bird of Paradise (message)  345 posts, Helper bee

how long do they usually last? each pot i mean. do you put in for a year? or less or more? or does it always depend?

 
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Miss Peony (message)  314 posts, Helper bee

Noel - You don’t have to be an immigrant to join one, nor do you have to be Korean! You just need a group of friends whom you trust.

 
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TM

What a neat idea!!

My fiance and I are putting in about $20k, and my parents are putting in another $20k. His parents offered us $5k, plus bought all our wedding china. I am lucky that I won’t have to go into credit card debt like I see happening to some close friends.

 
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polly

maybe i am having one of my ditzy moments, or maybe I am just plain out confused. how can you “win” and “run off with the money” at the same time???? If you win dont you just keep the money?

 
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mee!!

i know west indians do the same thing (must be something about immigrants). they call it a sou-sou. it’s usually done with people in your family, people you know personally, and people who are likely to be in your life for a very long time to ensure that the money will still be there for everyone’s turn

 
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Mrs. Peony, New York Age and Occupation: 27, Marketing Coordinator Fiance's Age and Occupation: 30, QA Engineer Engagement Date: June 28, 2007 Wedding Date: April 18, 2008 Venue: The Fountainhead Blogging Since: August 7, 2007 About Me: Both Mr. Peony and I are huge computer nerds, and our conversations usually consist of the latest gadgets, programming languages, and video games. At the same time, I can also be very girly with an obsession with handbags, makeup, and high heels. And art! I've studied studio art extensively, almost majored in art history, and freelance as a web and graphics designer. Mr. Peony and I are having a ball of a time planning a wedding for 250(!) guests, doing our best to infuse our personalities (geeky chic) with the wishes of our very traditional Asian parents.

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