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Opposites Attract?

November 8th, 2007 @ 3:26 pm by Mrs. Canary

Mr. Canary sent me this great Slate article on why people are attracted to each other. (I had also been thinking about this after reading Miss Jasmine’s post on occupations yesterday.) The article talks about a particular study at Columbia University where two psychologists set up speed dating experiments to figure out what attracted people to each other. Is it really based on the traditional stereotype that men focus on looks and women care more about money and success? What really drew my attention was their findings on race…

We found no evidence of the stereotype of a white male preference for East Asian women. However, we also found that East Asian women did not discriminate against white men (only against black and Hispanic men). As a result, the white man-Asian woman pairing was the most common form of interracial dating—but because of the women’s neutrality, not the men’s pronounced preference.

This hits home because Mr. Canary is white and I am Chinese. But it’s not only that… I get asked fairly often why I’m not dating/marrying a man with the same background and ethnicity. To be honest, that question really pisses me off. You don’t choose who you fall in love with - I love Mr. Canary for all the things that make him who he is… intelligence, generosity, humor, looks… the whole package. Yes, there are major cultural differences and we have both learned how to adjust to it, but on the flip side, these differences may just be a matter of different upbringing, in different cities, by different families. A lot of our differences may be dictated by culture, but not all of them.

I grew up going to public school in a very diverse city, where my classmates and friends were all of different races. But I was also taught to embrace many facets of my culture by attending Chinese language school on the weekends and speaking only Chinese at home. I think this has only bettered me as an individual and provided me with such rich experiences. I had dated Asian guys in the past, but those relationships didn’t work out for reasons other than race. When I met Mr. C, I had previously been in a relationship with a white guy, but I wasn’t attracted to Mr. C just because he was white. We had a lot in common, but we were also very different. He made me laugh and I was comfortable with myself around him.

When I finally told my parents about my relationship with Mr. C, they weren’t surprised or bothered. They had asked why I didn’t want to date someone Chinese, but when I gently reprimanded them that it wasn’t about race, they let it go and never brought it up again. I think their biggest concern was communication. This was pre-marriage discussions and they were worried that if I married out of my race, they would not be able to have a relationship with their son-in-law if they couldn’t speak the same language. Both my parents can speak English just fine, but they prefer to speak Chinese at home.

Also, I think my parents other big fear was alienation from my future family. I come from a huge family and we’re all really close. All the cousins take care of each other and all the aunts and uncles are very involved in everyone’s life. If I married someone outside of my culture, would my children still speak Chinese? Would I raise them to appreciate Chinese traditions and values? And the answer is a vehement “yes!”

Mr. C loves Chinese culture and tradition. The night of the proposal, when we arrived back at my parents’ house, Mr. C had a gift bag prepared with traditional Chinese gifts that symbolize longevity and happiness (i.e. a pair of oranges and candied nuts) for my parents. He had researched this and wanted to show my parents that he was not only embracing our family’s values, but our culture. I was so touched that he had thought so much of this through.

Now Mr. C lives with my family (while our place is being renovated) and everything is working out great. Everyone communicates just fine and Mr. C is even picking up some Chinese. He plans to really study it one day so we can converse with our children in Chinese. Mr. C practically vacuums out his bowl at dinner every night and has no qualms about eating ethnic Chinese food. My parents are so happy that I have found someone that piques my interests and really gets me, despite not being from the same culture. I think it’s even better because I’m expanding my family with a different culture and when we have kids, they will have a firm grounding of not one, but two great cultures.

Have any of you encountered the race question or faced difficulty because you’re marrying/dating someone outside of your race or culture?

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Mrs. Emerald (message)  900 posts, Busy bee

Wow, what a great post!! I love how Mr. Canary researched the traditions to show your family how much he cared!! Bravo Mr. C!

 
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tanya2s (message)  416 posts, Helper bee

I haven’t really had to deal with the race question because I myself am biracial (Vietnamese/Caucasian). So it’s not like my parents would have a leg to stand on even if they did have an objection to my DH, who is Caucasian. I mean, what, am I supposed to hold off on marriage until I find someone who’s also half Vietnamese? ;)

By the way, THANK YOU for using “piqued my interest” properly. Every time I see someone write it, it’s “peaked my interest,” and although I can see how that would make sense, it’s just a pet peeve of mine. Like “could care less.”

 
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MissHistory (message)  11 posts, Newbee

I found this to be an interesting article and realized I am not like their data, of course I know there is always some deviation. I am Hispanic and my FI is white. I have never been attracted to Hispanice men, nor really any other race. However, I have come to conclude this may have more to do with where I grew up. The town I come from is predominately white, in my graduating class there were few minorites. Most of what I have been around in my life and bombarded by on tv and in magazines are attractive white men. I think growing up that way, it just made me see them as the ideal. Sort of the question about nature versus nuture. I know my mother would have loved if I had married a Hispanic man, she wanted all her children to marry within the race. However, I know she is more than happy with who we have chosen and she loves my FI. Plus being that he is Italian and Catholic, therefore terribly family-oriented thrills her. I never got the question from anyone about marrying outside my race and I think if someone were to get the question it would be him.

 
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Anne K. in L.A.

I am exception to the article. I am Filipino and my husband is Hispanic. Both of us celebrate our respective cultures. We made sure to acknowledge both at our wedding. If we have children, we plan to teach them Spanish as well as Tagalog (Native Filipino Language).

I am glad that you have such an open-minded FI and family. Too often you hear about the problems of biracial relationships. Thanks for a great post!

 
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nigelsbride (message)  85 posts, Worker bee

I am Caucasian, from a tiny town of 600 in Minnesota, and my husband is from a city of around 20 million in Pakistan. Yet, we fell in love at first sight.

In all honesty, despite my very sheltered upbringing, I dated more men from other races than white men from the start. So my dad wasn’t very surprised when I told him about my DH. I do have a few other family members who were less than thrilled however (mostly ignorant stereotypes echoing post 9/11 days). But upon meeting my DH and his family all the stereotypes evaporated. Woohoo!

We embrace both cultures - I have developed a taste for the spicy Indian/Pakistani food my husband and his family cook and love, and he is slowly developing a taste for the mildly flavored comfort foods of my upbringing.

We plan to speak both Urdu and English at home when we have kids, as well as share both our cultures with them.

Our families LOVE each other, which is a huge surprise for my side anyway. My family is pretty sheltered, and don’t really travel much or have much experience with anyone at all of other ethnicities. Yet once they met my DH’s family, the bridge was built instantly. All are easygoing and fun people, so they get along well despite cultural differences.

 
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mediagirl

Oh yes, we have encountered the race issue - we’re a black/white interracial couple and that combination (especially white female, black male) seems to be a loaded gun of stereotypes and strong reactions from others who don’t know us. Sometimes to our face, sometimes it’s just something for people to gossip about. On balance, people don’t care one way or another, but we definitely encounter it.

 
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chill (message)  247 posts, Helper bee

Great post! I’m korean and my husband is italian (american). My parents never opposed him, but they opposed the idea of me marrying a non-Korean before. But they loved him right away, and immediately compared our cultures and my father concluded that Italians had good family values like Korean values, and they were super cool since his family’s from Sicily and could potential have some mafia ties (they don’t). Silly.

My grandmother told me never to marry a man that doesn’t like kimchi. Hubby hates cabbage kimchi but loves other kinds of kimchi, so he was okay in her book too. I think parents worry more about their potential grandchildren losing their culture. If we have kids, we will raise them to be involved in both cultures equally. I think that’s even better!

 
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Julie

People always make me feel awkward because my parents are not the same religion — my mother is Jewish and my father is Catholic. It was never an issue in my household. I was raised Jewish, and both my parents were content with the decision (my father’s parents, however, were NOT). To me, this is the end of the story. I get a lot of grief from other people though about how growing up in a bi-religious household means I must not know much about my own religion, etc. Frankly, it is crap! My fiance is from an all-Jewish family, and I am significantly more religious than he is (it is actually the subject of the yearly fight when his mother wants me to go to Rosh Hashanah dinner at her house, and I won’t go because I want to go to services and they do not belong to a synagogue).
Growing up, it was nice to know that my parents would never judge anyone I was dating based on race/culture/religion, since they are proof that mixed marriages are perfectly fine!

 
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norcalbruin

Miss. Canary, thank you so much for writing this post!

I am also in a biracial relationship (I’m Nigerian-American while he is Hispanic/Quechan Indian and half Caucasian) so we experienced the stares, etc. Growing up, diversity was always around me so race was never an issue. He grew up in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood but with his mixed background his father always taught him to never focus on race. Our parents didn’t care what ethnicity our SOs were as long as they were good people.

I have noticed that when we go out the stares primarily come from African Americans especially from the men. At first, it made me feel somewhat uncomfortable but then I realized screw that, who cares. Also, family and tradition are pretty important to us so he has made an effort to eat Nigerian food while I have taken on the task of learning how to make Mexican food from his grandmother. With our kids, I have always liked his dad’s approach: you are not one or the other — you are both and embrace that.

 
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Jennifer

Great post! I’m Taiwanese but have dated only Caucasian men and I think my parents have come to accept that I won’t be marrying within my race :) I definitely want to raise my kids with traditional Chinese values and teach them Chinese traditions, and hopefully they’ll want to learn Chinese too.

It’s so great that Mr. Canary shows desire and willingness to not only accept, but understand your culture.

 
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ricchi

What I really hate is when people limit themselves to dating only others of one particular race. My husband may be Japanese (while I am Caucasian), but I dated men of EVERY race, and I would have loved him if he were green and stripey. People who call me an “egg” or say that I have “Yellow Fever” agitate me. I don’t feel like I should have to explain myself.

 
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Rose

I read an article that explored the theory of biracial relationships, and it concluded that men don’t tend to have racial preferences when it comes to relationships whereas women do. Women date out of their race when it is socially and/or economically advantageous. Asian women are most likely to date out of the Asian race while Black women are least likely to date outside the Black race. Again, this is what the article found.

Having dated men of different races/ethnicities, I think that biracial relationships are great. However, I’m bothered by men or women who flat out refuse to date within their race. To me, it seems like a form of self loathing and/or a dysfunctional form of racial supremacy.

 
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kasandra

I am black and my Fi is white. Boy do we get the looks, stares when we are in public but it doesn’t bother us at all because it’s their issue not ours. Our families have no problem because he’s not the 1st white guy I’ve brought home and I’m not the 1st black girl he’s brought home. Our son who is 4 tells people he is super special because he’s both

 
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amnesia

I love the tone of your post on this issue — it’s definitely a topic I had to struggle with during our engagement, wedding and even a bit now (as a very recently married couple). The issue has had several different prongs — one is just working through people’s phobias or misperceptions, another is the process of learning what to react to and what to ignore.

Early in our relationship, we dealt with his family’s fear that we would ignore/abandon his cultural heritage and they objected to me initially because I was of a different background (on several levels). The realty is that we have had to (together) take time to determine how we incorporate things into our life in a genuine way– his cultural experiences are quite a bit different than his parent’s and my experiences are different from his. At the root of things, we share a common sense of morality and we balance each other well.

Also, although my family did not object, we did have to deal with many more subtle misperceptions with them (misunderstanding the importance of his cultural heritage; lumping all Asian cultures into one massive grouping and ignoring the fact that his heritage was actually unique and different from this mass media image they had). We had to learn how to work towards sensitizing them a bit on a few things. We also had to deal with a sudden influx of strange issues where people thought everything we did had to revolve around his culture or my cultural learning opportunities — and in some misdirected ways. And we occasionally encountered situations where one of us felt either subtly excluded or singled out. Our solution has been to communicate honestly when we encounter these situations and although that doesn’t mean they aren’t prickly, it still helps.

At the wedding itself, our families generally got along, so it showed that we made progress with those relationships, but we did have a few people that abruptly felt uncomfortable about us getting married and voiced that. We had to let that go. With time, it seems that quite a lot of the problems subside and we also have learned to grow a thicker skin and pick our battles.

Now, recently married, people single out my married name — and the adjustment to a new name is change enough without people pointing it out all the time. And they still occasionally make strange assumptions or comments, but I try to let it go unless it’s very important. It would be exhausting and not particularly useful to address the issue all the time.

When we have children, we will raise our children with foreign language skills because it provides more opportunities or doors for the future. We will raise our children with knowledge of their heritage(s) — again in the hopes that the more resources they have, the better they will be equipped to navigate their world and make decisions on what that heritage does or does not mean to them.

 
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Tea

i’m a product of an interracial marriage [korean and black] and have had my fair share of crushes on what i like to call my “rainbow coalition.” to me, it didn’t matter about race and i embrace both aspects of my ethinicity equally.

the bf is black [honestly, that shocked a lot of people, lol, i did tend to lean towards the mixed race folks myself] who has a healthy appreciation for the asian culture [none of that offensive "yellow fever"] and has been very supportative with everything. he’s even going to learn korean with me! at his request. he’ll eat the ethnic korean food with us when he’s visiting my family, and is fine that i plan on having my mom teach our kids to speak korean [she has orders to only speak korean to them at all times].

for me, i appreciate his open mind towards my duality. lots of times i’d have people make me pick one or the other or even date me because of my perceived “exoticness” but he’s here just for who i am as a person, not what i am as a race/ethnicity.

 
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luckyme (message)  3 posts, Wannabee

Lucky everyone who has supportive families. I’m Chinese, my boyfriend is not, and my parents have gone ballistic. So that’s the other side of the coin. Thankfully his parents are open and have been very kind towards me. We have never experienced ‘looks’ or any antagonism on the street - though we live in a large enough city. Race was never even an issue with me, and I was frankly shocked at my parents’ vehement reaction. Win some, lose some.

 
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rzblna

I love how thoughtful everyone is in their answers. You wouldn’t believe the kinds of flames that appear when this topic comes up in other boards. And I love how diverse everyone seems to be! On a side note, most of my Asian male co-workers are married to white women… so it seems to go both ways!

 
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NiftyBa

I am Filipino, while he is Caucasian. Our families never said anything was wrong with our different races, and I’m very happy about that! My Filipino family loves integrating new kinds of people into our group: since we’ve moved to the US 40 years ago, my family has added Koreans, Italians, Germans, and Indians to our clan! I don’t pay attention if anyone stares at me and my fiance because we are interracial- I just think people do that because I’m acting silly in public. We live in the conservative South, so interracial relationships can be touchy at times if you’re around certain people.

The only problem of our relationship, which is similar to one someone here mentioned before me, is of religion. He’s Protestant and I’m Catholic, and that has been the biggest issue between us and among our families. So far, we’ve just decided to have our children grow up general Christian, but I know both of us want them to share our different religions as we did without confusing them.

 
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Liz

great post. I am chinese and my FI is Taiwanese. Even though we are both ASIAN, the culture is still different. For some reason, Taiwanese people do not like Chinese people. but thankfully my FI is not like that, he respects me and where I came from. Unlike some other Taiwanese people who freaks out when people ask if they are Chinese ….. I know this one girl who CRIED when this White dude asked if she was from China. gosh. whats the difference. i really dont get it.

 
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Well, oddly enough me and my FI are both Mexican but we still find ourselves facing cultural differences. I grew up in a VERY traditional home, family supersedes all, am very religious, and speak spanish whereas although he is fairly close to his family, they are not as close, his faith is nominal and he understand very very little spanish. One thing that is still particularly challenging are our ideas of men and women’s roles in the household. I was raised and strongly believe that it is a woman’s job to cook, clean, do laundry, iron, and not even work (an idea I’ve managed to overcome) and men are to do more physical labor and not have to cook , raise children, etc. He strongly disagrees with this “19th century” idea and was raised in a more modern household. I think the difference comes in because I am the first generation to be born and raised in the states while he is the third or fourth. Anyway, although I do recognize that my beliefs are somewhat dated (and perhaps taboo) it seems *very* wrong that when we get married he’ll want to contribute to running the household…I don’t know if I will feel like a very good wife.

So even though I am marrying someone within my race…other factors clearly come into play and I still get the question why don’t I marry someone more traditional? or Will our children still know Spanish?

 
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I’m an American caucasian while my SO is Indian. It’s definitely been tough for us. My family is practically the UN, so I wasn’t nervous at all about dating someone outside my race, but there was some trepidation on his side. His mom originally had told him that she’d never speak to him again if he dated a caucasian girl, but I think that actually spurred him to (haha). His parents now are accepting of me, but they also pressure me to take part in traditions and wear ethnic clothing to events. I’m eager to merge my SO’s and my life together, but at the same time, I am my own person with my own identity and culture, so I’m hesitant. I may not be what they had in mind, but I feel like our lives (and our childrens’) will be richer because we are so different from one another. Because of this pressure, though, my parents in turn had become apprehensive, so it was like a domino effect for a while. Things have ironed out, and we’re stronger because of it, but it wasn’t easy. :/ It can be hard to strike that balance.

 
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I am multi-racial (3 races) so I always felt I could date whomever I wanted. I’ve always been extremely independent and though I love my Mom and my family, they never played a role in any kind of decision or thought process about who I date. Of course my mom, who is African American, would be cool with whatever as she married a white/Native American man.

I’ve dated white guys, black guys and had a playground bf in elementary school who was Hispanic! My FH is black and it’s of no importance to me but race is important to a lot more people than you think.

I’m just glad I found love and I will raise my children (God-willing) to be extremely color blind.

 


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