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Mrs. Milkshake, Seattle/Vancouver, BC Age and Occupation: 23, Pharmacist Fiance's Age and Occupation: 25, Pharmacist Engagement Date: May 2007 Wedding Date: August 2008 Blogging Since: December 6, 2007 Venue: Victorian Mansion About Me: Despite the fact that I’ve invested many long years of my life studying the sciences in college, I’m glad to be out of there and I would never do it again! I’m super artsy at heart - I run an indie craft site, I grew up shooting and developing my own film, doing jazz and ballet, and the whole gamut of art classes. I’ve been called a Jane of all Trades… but I was also told many years ago not to make my passion my career because it’d suck the fun out of it. Hence my choice of day job. We live in Seattle but are having our wedding in Canada to be fair to all our family and friends.
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All Their Judging Stares

February 26th, 2008 @ 3:50 pm by Mrs. Milkshake

All Their Judging Stares :  wedding vancouver 2293562 houses

That is my quick sketch of something featured in a past Seattle magazine issue. Photocopier? What’s that?

Okay. So I guess every one of my friends could unanimously say that any one of these houses is the house for me, each boasting old hardwood floors and some really fantastic architectural feature inside, like a brick chimney exposed along the wall of a sloped-roofed attic. This past fall Mr. Milkshake and I ended up buying a circa-1974 split level home, and while it’s not the great character house I had envisioned, it’s definitely home.

What does a house have to do with our wedding? I had never wanted to live with any guy before I was married, but moving to another country with my then-boyfriend-now-fiance really didn’t make it the easiest. We’d managed for a year, renting separate apartments for $2500 between us, but it came to the point where I couldn’t stand throwing the money away when I could sink that very same rental amount into a monthly mortgage payment. It’s not the 1950’s anymore: aside from the fact that I didn’t spend the last 5 years living with my parents and learning to cook and bake, and aside from the fact that I moved out at 16 to go to unversity - bottom line is, we are 150 miles away from the homes we grew up in.

After we’d bought the house, my banker was itching to ask Mr. Milkshake about our living arrangements when he touched on the fact that we’d have two separate bedrooms in the house. By the time I saw her later that day she was just bursting to ask me. It may not be the 1950’s, and we may live under one roof, but I’m still conservative.

We lived in separate apartments across the street from each other for a full year. We “float” for our jobs, which means we have different coworkers everyday. Wven people who are 50+ years old, who I would have thought to have old fashioned values were flabbergasted to find out we lived apart. Why is this such a shock? We each got this reaction from everyone we met, and they made us feel like idiots for it, too. I certainly don’t have any qualms about other people living together, but I was shocked and somewhat offended that I received pretty much the opposite reaction from people about me not living with my then-boyfriend - like in some twisted way I was being judged for not “living in sin.” It made me feel like I was from outer space, or that I was at least a terrible outsider in today’s society.

Maybe the west coast is too socially forward, and things are different in other parts of the countryt? How many of you out there aren’t, won’t, or never did live with your man before marriage, and what parts of the country do you hail from?

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mhb

I’m in Chicago, I didn’t live with him until after we got married, and I didn’t get a lot of flack about it… until now. For some reason it comes up every now and then that we didn’t live together until we were married, and I get treated like some kind of dumb goodie two-shoes.

Maybe it’s because I used to work for a semi-religious nonprofit and I now work at a university, but I still always wonder what made it anyone else’s business.

 
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misschickie (message)  169 posts, Blushing bee

I think lots of people are afraid that young couples are going into marriage with their eyes not quite open. I can see why older folks would think that since you have the social opportunity to live with each other pre-marriage, why not go for it and get all the adjustments out of the way? I also think there are lots of married (and divorced) folks out there who would say “why wouldn’t you want to know as much as possible if this person was compatible with your life?” For sure they don’t know your situation or your relationship, but I think that although some are judgmental, some folks are just concerned and truly wanting you to be as prepared as possible.
My fiancee & I are from the East Coast. We moved in with each other at the 5 1/2 year mark. We are now approaching the 7 year mark and getting married this summer.

 
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Miss Jasmine (message)  1,170 posts, Bumble bee

I live in Chicago and don’t live with Mr. Jasmine, but I think that has less to do with where we live and more to do with our cultural background— our parents would kill us.

 
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grace

my husband and i are from orange county and we didn’t live together before we got married. we had a lot of people question that, especially since hardly a day went by that we didn’t see each other or were at each other’s apartments, but let’s be honest, seeing each other every day in each other’s homes and actually living together are two totally different things.

i realize that the west coast tends to be more socially forward but our christian faith is conservative. therein lies the reason why we didn’t live together before being married. :) i don’t feel like we went into this ill experienced. granted, there’s been a period of adjustment and i expect that to continue for a bit since we just got married this past november, but we’re chalking it up to being part of the newlywed experience and enjoying the ride!

 
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jilian (message)  785 posts, Busy bee

I’m from Virginia - I have the same beliefs - no living together before marriage. He ended up moving in about a month before the wedding. Mostly because of his dog - it was a real pain in the butt moving the dog back and forth between our places depending on where we were hanging out. Or me having to go take care of his dog if he was working crazy hours. So the dog moved in with me and he pretty much followed.

Granted we only dated for 15 months before the wedding - so it’s not like 5 years of paying separate mortgages or anything. The only flack we seemed to get was the 4 month engagement. Everyone knows I’m the ‘good girl’ anyways :)

(He did live with two previous girlfriends in the past - which if I think about it too much, starts to bother me)

 
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Liz

I’m from the Bay Area in California. My FI and I have never lived together. We are getting married and three months I am I looking forward to being able to live with him though. Everyone seems shocked when they hear we don’t live together since we’ve been together forever, but it’s cheaper this way since our parents are allowing us to stay at home.

 
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heavnzbrat

if those are sketches dayamn, my stick figures are like boogers. hahaha, nice! neway, yeah. nix on the living situation for my fiance and i too…its not in our beliefs but if ppl are saying flack…let them yap away. do with what feels right for you and your relationship. you will have years and years to live together after u get married. :P

 
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redsoxgal (message)  32 posts, Newbee

My fiance comes from a very conservative, Catholic family, and he wanted to wait until we were engaged to move in together. I think he used his family as an excuse (they lived far away and never visited), and eventually I got frustrated, thinking he wasn’t considering my side (I wasn’t going to get engaged without finding out if he was someone I could live with and share those intimate details of everyday life with, and I was stuck in a very unpleasant living situation). I finally lost my patience right around the time that he bought the ring. Long story short, we moved in together about 6 months before he popped the question, to my knowledge his mother has never said a word about the living arrangements, and it worked out perfectly. We live together extremely well, and have had a chance to learn and accept one another’s quirks so there will be no surprises after the wedding.

 
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Linda

I live in Seattle and I live with FI. I get a lot of questions from people about the fact we do live together. My boss was shocked. I never thought I would live with someone before getting married but it made a lot of sense for us.

 
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franola

my husband and i did not live together until we were married. when he moved up to my city after a year of long distance, everyone assumed he would move in with me…when he didn’t, most people were flabbergasted. they usually didn’t ask a lot of questions, probably out of politeness, but i knew the questions were stewing in their minds. we currently live in the midwest. anyway, we love living together now that we’re married and it’s been a fun adventure…no regrets whatsoever!

 
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navybride (message)  44 posts, Newbee

My FI and I do not live together. Granted, we are currently at different duty stations, but we have discussed that once we are at the same place, we will live separately until we get married. We’re both traditional Catholics, and come from conservative families. We’d rather just wait until we are married.

 
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GetMarried4Less (message)  911 posts, Busy bee

i’m in the Southeast and we never lived together. in fact i had to constantly correct people on the fact.

during football season when my FH would invite others over for the game, the guys would always ask “shouldn’t you call your gf first?”thinking that he needed my permission for them to all come over to OUR place.

but i am with you….even though the South is supposedly known for its conservatism, many people are surprised to learn we didn’t live together. and when my FI moved away for his post doc 6 months ago, people were even more shocked to learn i wasnt going with him.

my question always was “why would I?” i’ve got a job here, family here. I dont uproot myself from life for no reason. I am not married. and shacking is not an option for us.

so now we live 900 miles apart until our wedding day and i live with my parents to save money and pay bills. not a choice many would make, but it’s what’s best for us.

 
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Emily

well, we both moved from the midwest to so cal, and we’ve lived together a few years - it’s too expensive to live separately! i was shocked our families were fine with it, but oddly enough i’ve run in to a few people out here who act all horrified. go figure!

 
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angiepangie (message)  157 posts, Blushing bee

I’m from the midwest originally and I never wanted to live with someone before we were engaged or married. FI and I were friends for 2 years before we started dating and even then he was shocked when I said that I wouldn’t even consider living with him before we were engaged. Now that we are engaged, I will move in with him once my current lease is over in July, mostly for financial reasons like the $100K that I have in law school loans. But for me it is not a religious thing, it’s more of a practical thing and a personal preference.

First, I felt like any guy that really wanted to be with me would have more incentive to propose if we weren’t already living together. I also felt that I wanted the only man I lived with to be my husband. There isn’t a lot of “firsts” that I still have since I’m 27. FI is not my first anything, except he is the first man that I will live with.

 
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Marianne

I live in Vancouver, and I think almost every couple I know lives together, and 90% of them aren’t engaged or married. Among my social circle, it’s definitely considered strange not to live with your partner if you’re engaged or past the 18-month mark!

The only exception is an engaged couple I know who both still live with their respective parents, while they save for their wedding.

 
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trish

I live in California, getting married in June, and everyone wonders why we don’t live together yet. I’m just proud that we’re doing things the way that *we* think is right. Why people care so much is beyond me…

 
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fizzyg

I’m in the south, have fairly conservative parents, and we still lived together before we got married. I’m just not religious and don’t feel that it’s an issue beyond what works best for us. My mom was a bit miffed, but really…she got married at 19, whereas I was 28 when we moved in together.

 
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Birdy

I’m from Virginia and a pretty conservative family, and I wouldn’t live with my bf before marriage. I was a roommate with a dating couple who were unmarried but who technically had separate bedrooms (for appearances). To each their own, I say. The statistics that couples who live together before marriage actually fare *worse* as married couples have convinced me that it’s a bad idea.

 
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amysue (message)  1,492 posts, Bumble bee

we’re moving in together next week. ask me in a month if it was a good idea. :)

we’ve been together for 3 1/2 years and engaged for 7 months, and we’re getting married in another 15 months. we won’t be saving a lot of money rent-wise, but we’re both tired of being alone.

 
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stargazerlily (message)  942 posts, Busy bee

I’m from Nor Cal and my mom said we’d be crazy NOT to live together before marriage…she was afraid after I’d “seal the deal” unaware of all Mr. Peng’s disgusting manly habits…

Turns out I’m the one with the disgusting manly habits though, so its a good learning experience for Mr. Peng too :)

My mom learned a lot of stuff about my dad that she wasnt too crazy about when they got married (they didnt live together before marriage) so she said that living together would be a good opportunity for us to evaluate eachothers habits and decide whether or not we could tolerate them for the rest of our lives…because marriage is not ALL about love and commitment, its a lot about just being able to GET ALONG after 20, 30, 40 years :) Maybe thats a totally bleak outlook on marriage but its realistic in some ways.

 
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Mrs. Milkshake, Seattle/Vancouver, BC Age and Occupation: 23, Pharmacist Fiance's Age and Occupation: 25, Pharmacist Engagement Date: May 2007 Wedding Date: August 2008 Blogging Since: December 6, 2007 Venue: Victorian Mansion About Me: Despite the fact that I’ve invested many long years of my life studying the sciences in college, I’m glad to be out of there and I would never do it again! I’m super artsy at heart - I run an indie craft site, I grew up shooting and developing my own film, doing jazz and ballet, and the whole gamut of art classes. I’ve been called a Jane of all Trades… but I was also told many years ago not to make my passion my career because it’d suck the fun out of it. Hence my choice of day job. We live in Seattle but are having our wedding in Canada to be fair to all our family and friends.

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