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Mrs. Cream Puff, San Francisco Bay Area Age and Occupation: 25, Illustrator Fiance's Age and Occupation: 31, Merchandise Planner Engagement Date: May 27, 2007 Wedding Date: August, 2008 Blogging Since: February 7, 2008 Venue: Ceremony at Crissy Field and Reception at the Green Room About Me: I never dreamed about my wedding as a little girl because I was too busy playing in the mud or pretending to be Martha Stewart–but now that it's here, I'm having a fabulous time DIYing everything in sight! We’re planning a very fun multicultural wedding (I'm Jewish and Mr. Cream Puff is Chinese), filled with as many personal details as I can muster.
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Color me surprised! I never thought my post from yesterday would get so much attention! Thank you for all of your comments–I really think this is an interesting discussion and definitely worth a follow-up post. I’m taking a break from work in order to write it. :)

In addition to your current 78 comments, our discussion has inspired an entire blog post. Take a moment to read it–I’ll wait. Okay, are you back? Good. Some of you might be offended by what the author is insinuating–basically that we’re all kind of lame for caring about our weddings. I, for one, am not offended. On the contrary, I’m kind of intrigued. The entire post supports my musing from yesterday–which is that the judgment truly is there, and there is apparently a backlash. My confusion (and I am, honestly, totally confused), however, comes from the question of why. Why weddings?

It seems like there are a few arguments here. First, the idea that we are spending too much money on our weddings. Second, that we are spending too much time. Third, that we are feeding into an industry that tells us what to want, and we can’t help but do what they say. Fourth, that we are being socially inconsiderate by having weddings (impact on the environment, etc). Let’s start at number four and work backwards, shall we?

Reader livvie was the first one to bring up the idea of being socially conscious while planning your wedding. I think this is very important. In fact, I think I may start blogging on this subject every once in awhile. A wedding can definitely be a time to be socially conscious. I try to make socially conscious decisions on a daily basis (for example, Mr. Cream Puff and I share a car for conservation purposes–that car is a Prius), and I have brought my values to the wedding planning (my engagement ring was my grandmother’s–had we not had her ring, we would have picked another type of stone). I was made fun of at work for being a tyrant about recycling. So I’m with you on that, livvie.

However, I’m not really sure that it’s all that feasible for every aspect of a wedding to be socially conscious. I’ve made sure to ask important questions (for example, “is this chicken farm raised?” to my caterer) and I would never make the decision to haul my bridal party around in a stretch Hummer. But being totally socially conscious can be very expensive. I don’t have enough money to hire an organic caterer at $175/person (but believe me, I asked!), and I would venture to say that most people don’t. If I took all environmental factors to heart when planning our wedding, we would be spending a minimum of $50k, which might put me into the “spending too much money” category.

So yes, a wedding can be a great opportunity to be socially conscious. But it shouldn’t be the only time you make an effort to be socially conscious, nor should it be a reason not to have a wedding at all. To me, being socially conscious is about making the best decisions I can– not having a wedding celebration at all because I don’t want to have my rentals trucked 20 miles to my venue would be really sad to me. I don’t think that means I am a socially unconscious person.

Now, moving onto the “wedding industrial complex.” I’ve been engaged for over a year now. I can honestly say that during this year, I have not met one vendor–not one–who tried to pressure me into anything. And this is not because I am choosing the biggest package and therefore there’s nothing to talk me into. Most of the time, I’m trying to talk a vendor down in price on their absolute lowest package. The vendors usually say something like, “Weddings cost a lot of money, I totally understand…I can do X amount of money, but I gotta pay my bills.” Which, if you think about your wedding vendors as actual people who have actual bills to pay, is a pretty good argument. A videographer doesn’t just charge $2k to spend 12 hours with you on one day–they’re charging you for the hours and hours of work they put into editing the video after the wedding. If you assume that they spend another 40 hours editing (which is a LOW estimate of the amount of editing work, I think), they’re making less than $40/hour before taxes and overhead. That’s not exactly a ridiculous amount of money to be charging. I’m not saying that this “wedding industrial complex” doesn’t exist, but I just haven’t seen it. Maybe that kind of pressure is reserved for the insanely rich. I wouldn’t know.

As for the wedding industry telling me what to want? I resent the implication that I can’t think for myself. Furthermore, who cares what the wedding industry tells people to want? The nicotine industry tells people to buy cigarettes, the automobile industry tells people to buy Hummers and Mercedes and the fast food industry tells people to buy deep fried tacos. Who cares? This is something we deal with in all aspects of our lives, and we’re all grown-ups. I think we can handle the big, bad capitalistic “industries.”

Now…I will admit that I am spending a lot of time on my wedding. And maybe I’m a huge dork for wanting to blog about it on a national website. But you know what? I’m having a great time. For me, planning this wedding isn’t about having “the perfect day.” It’s about having a chance to be super creative. I live for DIY projects. Before the wedding, I would knit a bunch of scarves and then look at them and think, “now what?” Now I have a place to channel my creativity: “YAY! I can do this for my programs!” Gone are the days of pointless crafting. I have honest-to-god loved every second of every creative aspect of this wedding. That might not be everyone’s motivation for spending time on their wedding, but I know that it’s the reason for a lot of the Bees. I don’t think it’s right to assume that every bride is obsessing over her wedding because she wants it to be “perfect.” I totally don’t care if my wedding is perfect or not–what I do care about? The process of making all of my fun projects, and making sure that my efforts have culminated into a really fun day for me, Mr. Cream Puff, and our friends & family.

The money factor seems to be the issue that most people bring up. I find this confusing too. If it’s the lavishness (and of course, not all weddings are lavish) of weddings in a time of economic downturn that’s causing this, why is the focus only on weddings? As missrae pointed out, people who aren’t spending money on a wedding may be spending it on something like a giant gas-guzzling SUV or a huge lavish house, which they will then redecorate. Those things are very expensive.

Someone my mom knows is pretty judgmental about weddings in general. His take on it is this: weddings are frivolous because they are not tangible things. If you don’t have something tangible to show for your money, it was a waste. Personally, I think that’s a sad outlook. I don’t have anything but memories to show for my trips to Italy, Mexico and Israel, but I wouldn’t trade those experiences for the world. If people want to spend money to enjoy their lives, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, so long as they aren’t hurting people or animals in doing so. As Mr. Cream Puff said, “what’s wrong with enjoying life and spending money that you’ve earned, so long as it doesn’t hurt anyone? A wedding is a celebration and a joyous occasion shared by you and your loved ones. If you’re not going to spend money on that, I sure as hell don’t know what you should be spending your money on.”

So at the end of all this, I am still totally confused. I could go on and on and on (and I think I already have!), but at the end of the day I’m not really sure WeddingBee is the right forum for debating how people should be spending their money. I can, however, say this: I am an intelligent woman (I even studied Women’s Studies in college, gasp!) and still, I care about my wedding. I don’t think that by nature of being intelligent (or being a lawyer, livvie, sunflowers and Heather, haha) you can’t have any fun. To each his or her own. As long as it doesn’t hurt me, my fuzzy children or the environment, do what you want with your money and time. I’m not going to judge you for it. :)

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69 Responses to “The Wedding Backlash, Continued”

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Mrs.Sunflower

Miss CP, i think you took the words out of my mouth. This day is about us and our creativity. I get to work on projects i never would have dreamed of.

 
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october2008bride

Well said. Very interesting and intelligent post.

Thank you.

 
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Miss Pomegranate (message)  957 posts, Busy bee

VERY well put, Miss CP!

 
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Miss Gingerbread (message)  644 posts, Busy bee

Another great post, Cream Puff! I’m not thrilled that my wedding means that our guests will have to travel by plane to get to us, but if we knew the California Supreme Court was going to rule in our favour, we may have planned differently. So while I will admit that our wedding is not the most environmentally friendly, the Gingerbreads are vegetarians who no longer own a car and rely on public transit. It is all about balance and trying the best that you can in all avenues of life.

 
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sunflowers

You know, it’s really interesting, your point about the wedding industry complex. Because I agree with you, that no one is pushing me into doing anything. At the same time, I feel really like there is a formula for a wedding and since I’d never really thought much about a wedding before I got engaged, I haven’t known how to break out of that formula. I really admire all of you who are into the DIY projects and thinking up all of these different touches you want to add to your wedding day. In law school, there was a lot of pressure to become a corporate lawyer but I KNEW what kind of lawyer I wanted to be so it was easy to resist the pressure to become either a corporate lawyer or a criminal defense attorney. For my wedding, even though I don’t have the career services dean breathing down my neck pushing me to do on-campus interviews, I still feel like there’s a one main kind of wedding to have and unless you really Know what you want, that’s the kind of wedding you will end up with. I’ve been thinking about your post and I keep thinking to myself, HOW is it that I feel like I’m being pushed into something? And the only answer I can come up with is, I’m not exactly (any more than I’m being pushed into celebrating Valentine’s Day), it’s more that I lack the creativity or energy to really come up with something that does not fit the mold. And in that way, it really has made planning the wedding very simple and stress-free. Buying a cake or hiring a dj is not very stressful. Maybe doing something that hasn’t been done before and hoping you’re doing it right is what causes brides stress (or the quest for perfection - which is fine, I think I’m just not a perfectionist). And it seems that even the brides who want a Perfect day, end up rolling with the punches and enjoying the day, despite it’s unplanned changes in plan.

 
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tiffanick (message)  17 posts, Newbee

I absolutely agree! FH and I were talking about this last night (after your post) and we decided that having our wedding *is* very socially conscious of us. Imagine how much our struggling economy would suffer if every couple getting married this year decided to “just go to the courthouse”! Our vendors have also been fabulous, and have tried to save us as much money as possible, and I think if the people who are so antagonistic towards weddings stepped back and thought about all the people being employed by the wedding industry they’d have a very different take on it.

 
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Cyd (message)  123 posts, Blushing bee

I concur! Everything you have said is spot on. To each their own. I will not judge a bride for opting out on a wedding anymore than I would judge someone for having a wedding of epic proportions. In turn, I don’t expect to be judged for my own decisions. Odd, isn’t it?

 
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Miss Green Tea (message)  764 posts, Busy bee

I’m so glad you did a follow up post, CP, and I think all of us would make bigger influences / create better understanding if all the judgement was thrown out the window. What most others are doing with their weddings, are not what I’m doing, at either side of the spectrum. I do not feel the need to bash anyone for their amount of conciousness in any aspects, but that does not mean I do not have my opinion. If you feel a certain way, help educate others to help make an impact. If someone is yelling at me to be less wasteful, or pointing out that my wedding isn’t ‘lavish’ enough to their standards, it does not in the least bit make me want to run to them and do what they think is right. I argue that there are many intelligent women here, not to say we’re not influenced by society, but most of us can decide for ourselves what we want. I think Weddingbee is a fantastic forum for brides to share their knowledge on how to best create wonderful celebrations AND how to be responsible about it. By all means, share your opinions. I for one love to hear all sides. Know that though, if you give information and allow people to decide for themselves rather than blaming and pointing fingers at those who you think are doing wrong, you are much more likely to get the results you prefer.

 
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glittergrl (message)  356 posts, Helper bee

Exactly Mrs. Sunflower.

I’d like to chime in here because not only am I a bride to be that is planning an organic wedding, but I also work in weddings and run a company that charges a lot for the services they provide, more than the “average” bridal budget and someone that anti-wedding folk would probably love to rip apart. (which i will take on any day).

I don’t charge what I charge to be greedy, at the end of the day it’s about putting food on the table and valuing your time and labor. I’ve busted ass to get where I am and know my job and produce a product that is superior to most, so I’m not interested in working for peanuts.

I’m CHOOSING to have a wedding because I know it’s the only ritual in my lifetime where both his family and friends and mine will be together for celebration. You get 2 of these: your wedding. or your funeral. I’m interested in having a fabulous wedding filled with lush, local organic food and skimping on the funeral.

 
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SKM

You make some excellent points, great post

 
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dani24 (message)  53 posts, Worker bee

I wholeheartedly agree that our wedding is a grand opportunity for me to harness the best of my creativity, and to throw a memorable party celebrating the 10.5 years my fiance and I have spent together and the decades we have to look forward to. Do I need to spend all the money we have, and put in all the time and effort? Of course not. But we have consciously chosen to do so because it’s not something we’ll get to do again, and we can afford it without it hurting us. And yes… for just one day, I want me and my fiance to be the center of attention, surrounded by our favorite people. Is that really so bad?

Despite the stresses and frustrations and expenses, this has been an incredible opportunity for me to bond with various people (FMIL, FH’s family, my own mom, my BMs, etc) in a way that everyone “gets” and feels comfortable participating in. I’ve learned a lot of useful things, developed new skills, challenged myself, harnessed my creativity, and had a lot of time to reflect on who I am and who FH is, and who we are together. Sure… that can be done without a wedding, but the whole wedding process certainly makes it much more convenient.

 
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Mrs. Radish (message)  385 posts, Helper bee

Another great post Miss CP.

I also love making stuff and planning parties (I don’t know why… I just do) so doing all that for the wedding was really fun. I think the reason I didn’t get too much backlash from my circle of friends is because they are all very creative, artsy types that appreciate the same kind of stuff.

I did get backlash from some family for being too picky. And more disturbingly I seemed to get the “you’re being a bridezilla” attitude from vendors whenever I wouldn’t let them push me into a decision and stood up for myself. Funny how that works, eh?

@Miss Gingerbread: Hey, the Radishes are vegetarians, too (hence my selection of a veggie moniker). We should swap recipes sometime…. not that I will cook them, but I can pass ‘em to my better half ;)

 
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Miss Cherry Pie (message)  884 posts, Busy bee

It seems people are criticized for being at both ends of the spectrum.

I, for one, don’t see anything wrong with fetishizing my wedding. Fetishizing (adoring irrationally), or obsessing over, or supremely enjoying and dedicating time to a very happy and important occasion in my life doesn’t strike me at all as odd.

I do resent the implication that all brides are being suckered by an industry. Some of us are hyper-aware of what we are being TOLD to consume and NEED to consume. Some of those things we still CHOOSE to consume because well, maybe we like them (or just think we like them), maybe we honestly enjoy them, maybe we just want to indulge. A wedding is, after all, a party and isn’t a party (historically? universally?) a time of indulgence and enjoyment?

To be sure, there is a lot of marketing money invested in selling a particular wedding image. And lots of people buy into that image because it’s status quo or they think they have to have it to be happy. But some people CHOOSE to buy into certain parts of it (the white dress, the 3-tiered cake) because they think it’s fun, or tradition, or whatever.

I agree with the statement that we are adults. Grown women. And by and large we are very conscious of our decisions and our frivolities. I, for one, vastly enjoy my frivolities. I LOVE obsessing about my wedding - is it necessary? NO. Is it over the top? YEAH. But I’m aware of that and I still love it!

It’s just one day and I don’t expect it to be perfect. But damned if I ain’t gonna do it my way and damned if I ain’t gonna have fun.

While I was impressed with the depth of the linked response post, I also felt it was rather accusatory in some ways and seemed just as fetishizing of academic fappery as some of us are about our weddings.

So thanks, CP, I hear ya and I understand.

 
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Red (message)  119 posts, Blushing bee

Well said, Cream Puff!!

 
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Erin

Ditto, Miss CP!!

Your post is way better than anything I’d squeeze in here, but I agree with you 100%. I’m not being dupped into having a wedding, I’m not having the kind of wedding that the “industry” tells me to, we aren’t going into debt to pay for it, and dammit I’m enjoying planning it and our family/friends will enjoy being there!

The attention we’re giving to our wedding is in proportion to other parties and events we plan. When we have another couple over, we make an effort to serve them the best foods, spruce up the house, put on good music, and make the table sparkle. We did that on a larger scale for our recent housewarming party. So, naturally, we’re doing the same for our wedding, which is larger in both both in attendance and meaning than probably any other private event we will ever hold.

I’d also like to point out that paying close attention to the planning of your wedding does NOT mean that you’re spending an arm and a leg on it.

 
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Miss Gingerbread (message)  644 posts, Busy bee

@Mrs. Radish: Haha. 2.0 does most of our cooking. She finds it relaxing, so I support her 100% :) You and I are a couple of lucky vegetarians, wouldn’t you say.

 
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Mrs. Radish (message)  385 posts, Helper bee

We sure are!

Mr. R is a great cook and he likes doing it. Me, I find the eating part most rewarding :P

 
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Mrs.MadBrave

So wouldn’t it make sense to put some money into your wedding? The downfall of the economy starts by NOT buying. But that’s my theory on things… I’m not sure if its a valid point or not. I do respect those who choose not to invest or invest little. I help with their wedding regardless because i love to DIY and party. And the article shouldn’t be fixated on weddings… it should be on parties in general if they want to get technical. I think we do spend extra to party… because it is what it is.. we spend extra to have a good time. Enjoy what maybe the last chance we can. We’re put on this earth… let’s enjoy it the best we know how. Being judgemental on how one should live their lives, plan their wedding etc is one’s judgement. So at first I was mad at these articles… now hey it’s their opinons. Oh boy I was a little fustrated in writing this.. I’m not sure if my point is clear.

 
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LeahB (message)  428 posts, Helper bee

Miss CP: I’m so glad you continued to post on this subject. Excellent choice of words… all of them! And I love your comments on the linked article.. so well put!

 
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GetMarried4Less (message)  911 posts, Busy bee

thanks for tying up the loose ends here. i think this is a very valid point that could easily be discussed all day. i appreciate you bringing it to light here in this forum and inspiriing me to really think more on this particular topic!

 
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Mrs. Cream Puff, San Francisco Bay Area Age and Occupation: 25, Illustrator Fiance's Age and Occupation: 31, Merchandise Planner Engagement Date: May 27, 2007 Wedding Date: August, 2008 Blogging Since: February 7, 2008 Venue: Ceremony at Crissy Field and Reception at the Green Room About Me: I never dreamed about my wedding as a little girl because I was too busy playing in the mud or pretending to be Martha Stewart–but now that it's here, I'm having a fabulous time DIYing everything in sight! We’re planning a very fun multicultural wedding (I'm Jewish and Mr. Cream Puff is Chinese), filled with as many personal details as I can muster.

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