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Mrs. Hot Cocoa, Boston/Los Angeles Age and Occupation: 31, JD/PhD Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 32, Medical Student Engagement Date: May 30, 2008 Wedding Date: March, 2009 Blogging Since: April, 2008 Venue: Ritz Carlton, Marina Del Rey About Me: I am a professional student by day and an amateur cupcake taster, bargain shopper, and wedding planner by night. I am obsessed with NPR, the Food Network, paper, dance shows, Anthropologie, post-structuralist theory, Weddingbee!, "The Office," and celebrity gossip. When not procrastinating from my dissertation, I spend time catering to Jellyby, our overly anxious shih tzu, and getting to know Mr. Hot Cocoa. We have only been dating for fifteen years, so it's like I'm in love with a stranger! From the East Coast, we are planning a Jewish-Chinese Extravaganza in L.A., where we both grew up.
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The Internet is Not Just For Porn.

August 5th, 2008 @ 10:25 am by Mrs. Hot Cocoa

HC: Hey Kate Monster.
KM: Hiya Haute Cocoa.
HC: Can you sing for the Hive that song you wrote about wedding dress shopping?
KM: What song?
HC: You know, the one that Trekkie Monster kept trying to ruin?
KM: Oh, of course! Here it goes:

I’m glad we have this new technology
Which gives us untold opportunity
Right from your own desktop
You can research browse and shop
Until you’ve had enough and you’re ready to stop.

[Image source. Lyrics from Avenue Q.]

If you’ve been following Miss Haute Cocoa’s dogged pursuit of a couture wedding dress bargain, you know she’s traveled by subway to the Priscilla of Boston sample sale, by train to Kleinfeld’s monthly sample sale and to the Bridal Garden, and by car to the Vows Bridal Outlet. But this will-go-anywhere-for-a-bargain girl ultimately ended her search in her Jem and the Holograms pajamas, with her buttocks firmly planted in her desk chair.

Yes, I found my dress on the internet.

It might seem sketchy to make such a big purchase online, and trust me, even someone with as acute a case of bargainphilia as myself wondered at one point whether this might be a bit of an extreme way to save a few bucks. But after trying on a number of silhouettes, fabrics, and styles at Vows and other sample dress boutiques, I was fairly certain I knew what I wanted: a fit and flare gown in size 8 or 10, either strapless or with little capsleeves, with a little bit of embellishment or lace. After a bit of online research, I realized that there were a number of gowns available that fit my criteria and that (even with shipping costs) they were generally even more affordable than the sample gowns I found at brick-and-mortar boutiques.

Then, one fortuitous day, on the website of Dream Bridal L.A., I found her. Her name was Mona Lisa. She had darling capsleeves with delicate embellishment, a sexy scoop back, a luscious mermaid shape. She was a sample dress in excellent condition. Sure, she made her debut in Monique Lhuillier’s Fall 2005 collection, but as a thirty-something bride, who am I to judge her by her age? I contacted Dream Bridal, spoke to the lovely owner, Britta, and negotiated for Mona to pay me a visit in Boston. Except for an anxious week when Mona got waylaid (the DHL guy appears to have stolen it and then returned it when he decided he was more a Vera Wang kind of guy), the process was easy. Britta gave me ample time to decide whether the dress was right for me. And lo and behold, it was!

I had a great experience with Dream Bridal L.A., as well as with Your Dream Dress, an ebay seller from whom I bought (but ultimately returned) the Badgley Mischka Lucia gown below. Not only did I find lovely gowns at a significant discount, I was able to try the dresses on in my own home, without any pressure or snarkiness from a hovering salesperson.Suffice to say, no, Trekkie Monster, the internet is not just for porn. It’s for wedding dress bargains too. And for those of you still shopping, I thought I’d share a few of the tips I picked up along the way.

1. Researching the seller. There are generally 3 types of online sellers: individuals (i.e., brides selling their gently used dresses through craigslist, ebay, or preownedweddingdresses.com), webstores attached to brick-and-mortar businesses (such as Bridepower), and internet-only businesses (such as Your Dream Dress). Since I’m a bit risk averse, I limited my search to businesses. Not only do individual sellers rarely allow returns, they often sell dresses that have already been altered, which can be hard to size and fit. I also noticed that businesses tend to have better prices than individual sellers, perhaps because brides who paid full price for their dresses understandably want to recoup a bit more of their costs. Finally, it’s easier to test the credibility of a business; I found reviews of many of the established sellers on wedding websites like Project Wedding, the Knot, and the Weddingbee boards, or on ebay, when applicable.

2. Trusting my intuition. If the seller seemed sketchy, if they didn’t return my e-mails or phone calls in a timely manner, if they required — gasp — cash, I moved on. In general, I’d be wary of sellers who tell you brusquely that the gown is in “perfect” condition. Sample dresses are rarely perfect, and the reputable sellers I dealt with were happy to provide details of any imperfections. I also always looked for a written description of the condition of the gown. That way, if the gown arrived in a different condition, I’d have more leverage for negotiation or an easy reason for a return.

3. Negotiating with the seller. Don’t be afraid to e-mail or call the seller to discuss the price. As with all vendor negotiations, I found that if you are kind to the seller, express serious interest in the item, and ask politely if she is able to help you work within your budget, you might be pleasantly surprised by the results. Plus this type of interaction allowed me to get a sense of the seller’s business ethos: Did she respond in a timely and courteous manner to e-mails or phone calls? Was she only interested in making the sell, or did she take the time to share with me information about the dress and her store policies?

On a related note, ebay sellers like Your Dream Dress often give buyers the opportunity to “make an offer.” If you choose this option, recognize that if your offer is accepted, it is as much of an agreement to buy as if you win any other bid on ebay. So bid carefully. (Not on a whim, like me!) Don’t lowball, but do your homework to figure out what a fair price is for the particular item. Since many sample dresses are released into the market when a designer discontinues a particular design, you’ll often see the same dress (perhaps in different sizes and conditions) on various sites, thus making it easy to comparison shop. Also, even if a particular ebay seller does not have a “make an offer” option, you can often still get a better price on a dress by contacting the seller directly. They might ask that you wait until the auction is over to negotiate on a bidless item, but if you are a serious buyer, they will likely be happy to haggle.

4. Checking return policies. Most of the sites I looked at offered at least 24 to 48 hours from the time I received the dress to decide whether to keep it. If I decided to return the dress, I was required to ship it back to them within a certain number of days in the same condition as it arrived. In the event of a return, some sellers, like Bridepower, charge a processing fee (to recoup the cost of, say, cleaning or steaming a dress). Others, like Dream Bridal and Your Dream Dress, charge only for shipping to/from my apartment. Although with insurance it cost me around $75 to send the Badgley Mischka back to Your Dream Dress via UPS, I found the return process to be hassle free. The seller didn’t give me any grief about returning the dress; on the contrary, they were apologetic that the dress didn’t work out and even offered to waive the shipping costs on my next purchase.

5. Seeing a seamstress. Britta of Dream Bridal L.A. gave me very helpful advice to take my dress to my seamstress during the decision period. This way, I could get an estimate for alterations or repairs, as well as get the second opinion of a professional (who has seen a number of wedding dresses) on the quality and fit of the gown.

6. Anticipating snafus. Reputable sellers will ship the gown to you using an insured and trackable method. And you should do the same when returning the gown. But do ask (and try to get in writing) what would happen if — Buddha forbid — a gown gets lost or damaged by the carrier. When the DHL guy temporarily absconded with my dress, for example, Britta took care of everything and kept me updated on all of her recovery efforts. As an added level of protection, I also made my purchases on credit cards with buyer’s insurance.

7. Getting everything in writing. As a lawyer, I am obsessive compulsive about creating a paper trail. This way, any negotiations I have with vendors are memorialized and clear. And any questions or problems can be resolved with a simple forward or fax.

Whew! This is an epic post; I hope it’s helpful! If you’re intrigued, below is a list of the websites I looked at during the course of my search. Also, if you are interested in finding a dress on ebay, don’t miss Mrs. Tulip’s excellent two-part post on the subject.

Avant Bridal

Bell Ancora

Bella Rosa Bridal

Bluefly

Bridal Boutique of Carmel

Bride Couture

Bride Power

Carine’s Bridal Atelier

Dream Bridal L.A.

Encore Bridal

The Frock

Hitched Salon

Once Wed

Preowned Wedding Dresses

Sabrina Ann

Scarlett’s Closet

Stylebug

Your Dream Dress

Did you purchase your dress over the internet? What was your experience like? Do you have any additional tips or websites to share? Tell the hive! I’ll compile any additional sites in my next post and tempt you with some of their delectable offerings. Until then, happy shopping!

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20 Responses to “The Internet is Not Just For Porn.”

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Mrs. Davis

Um that dress is friggin’ gorgeous!!!

 
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jmglow (message)  10 posts, Newbee

hahahaha, I have Ave Q in my car right now. lol . and I love that dress.

 
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Miss Cherry Pie (message)  687 posts, Busy bee

I wanna see your drrrrresssss! :D

 
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mdarrah (message)  1,006 posts, Bumble bee

Love the dress. Nothing better than a good Ave Q reference!!

It should be pointed out that you have to be VERY careful when buying a dress online from a place that ISNT attached to a brick and mortar store.
First of all, read that agreement - I kid you not, often times it says that by clicking AGREE you are saying you don’t mind if the dress sent to you isn’t exactly the one you ordered whether by size, color, design, or even designer.
Secondly, they really aren’t doing great things for the brick and mortar stores that have to have higher prices becuase of overhead, but actually allow you to try things on. I am not saying all physical stores are great. (Your stories ALONE are enough to disprove that.) But some are fun and lighthearted and shopper friendly - and they are struggling with brides buying over the internet and putting them out of business. Just something to think about.

 
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JuneBride09

I want you to know that I drove all the way to the middle of nowhere WV (which is gorgeous) to go to this HUGE flea market to shop for decor for my wedding. On the way there, my FI and I listened to Ave. Q. Love it! And I love that dress… Now I can’t WAIT to see the real deal!!!

 
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Mrs. Toucan (message)  983 posts, Busy bee

I want to see it TOOOO!
P.S. I LOVE Avenue Q! :)

 
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MegK (message)  164 posts, Blushing bee

I JUST got my dress through Your Dream Dress! They shipped it yesterday and it should be arriving tomorrow.

I actually am in Boston and tried on a bunch of gowns at Vows. I was planning on going back, but I was browsing Ebay and lo and behold, the 6k Amsale dress I had liked at Vows was there for $299 in my size (being a sample size is very useful) through Your Dream Dress! Supposedly it was only tried on a couple of times, so I’m excited to see it.

I didn’t think I’d be comfortable with buying something online, but for that price, it’s hard to argue!

 
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Heidz

Ave Q is awesome. I totally have their soundtrack on my ipod. Love it and love your dress!

 
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frenchbulldog (message)  5,957 posts, Bee Keeper

I LOVE JEM AND THE HOLOGRAMS!
oh and Ave Q… and I’ve love to she YOUR DRESS :)

 
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Miss Coconut (message)  337 posts, Helper bee

You better not keep teasing us! ;) Show us your dress!!! I bought my VW at Your Dream Dress! It was a great experience!

 
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Miss Bruschetta (message)  5,553 posts, Bee Keeper

Am I missing something? Isn’t the phot she posted her dress?

 
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Miss Bruschetta (message)  5,553 posts, Bee Keeper

Oh. Just re-read the post, and now I get it. Hehe, oops!

 
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Truc

Thank you SO MUCH for posting all of this!!! I am hoping to get a more affordable dress, and this info is all invaluable!

 
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Miss Pomegranate (message)  956 posts, Busy bee

Oooh I love that Badgley gown!! Gorgeous! When do we get to see the winner!?

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  1,685 posts, Bumble bee

@mdarrah: I totally hear you. There is definitely a higher degree of risk in purchasing online. And you’re right that internet sales can hit local brick-and-mortars hard, though two things might assuage your guilt: 1) Often, brick-and-mortars will sell their sample dresses to clearinghouses like Your Dream Dress (or set up webstores like Hitched’s), and 2) most of the internet-only retailers are actually quite young, women-run enterprises (so you get to support female entrepreneurs like Britta of Dream Bridal).

@JuneBride09, @Mrs. Toucan, @Miss Pomegranate: Hee hee. Sorry for being such a tease, but I’m keeping Mona hidden from Mr. HC til the big day. But it’s easy to google her. ;-)

 
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Bringing Home the Gown » Weddingbee » The Wedding Blog

[...] you may recall in my dress post from a while back, I ended my search for an affordable couture gown at the website of Dream Bridal [...]

 
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Alexis

Hi — I’m a graduate journalism student (and also a bride-to-be) and am working on a story about brides who want designer dresses, but don’t want to pay exorbitant prices. Would anyone be willing to tell me about their experiences buying second-hand gowns online or at consignment stores? (this story will only be seen by my professor, it won’t be published) If so, please contact me at alexis.leondis@gmail.com. Thanks in advance!
Alexis

 
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It’s Hard to Find a Wedding Dress… » Weddingbee » The Wedding Blog

[...] dreambridalla.com, and yourdreamdress.com (Miss Hot Cocoa performed the due diligence on this already, so I won’t get into all the details). Each of these sells samples (dreambridalla.com also sells [...]

 
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The Bees’ Dress Budgets - Over $1000 Before Alterations » Weddingbee » The Wedding Blog

[...] dress was a sample from Dream Bridal LA. After some serious web browsing (follow my journey here), I fell in love with both this dress and a Badgley Mischka sample dress from Your Dream Dress. [...]

 
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愛-Vey! From Hot to Haute » Weddingbee » The Wedding Blog

[...] After the tea ceremony, it was time for me to change from my potato sack-ish qua to the far sexier, and oh-so-appropriately named, Mona Lisa. [...]

 


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