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Mrs. Hot Cocoa, Boston/Los Angeles Age and Occupation: 31, JD/PhD Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 32, Medical Student Engagement Date: May 30, 2008 Wedding Date: March, 2009 Blogging Since: April, 2008 Venue: Ritz Carlton, Marina Del Rey About Me: I am a professional student by day and an amateur cupcake taster, bargain shopper, and wedding planner by night. I am obsessed with NPR, the Food Network, paper, dance shows, Anthropologie, post-structuralist theory, Weddingbee!, "The Office," and celebrity gossip. When not procrastinating from my dissertation, I spend time catering to Jellyby, our overly anxious shih tzu, and getting to know Mr. Hot Cocoa. We have only been dating for fifteen years, so it's like I'm in love with a stranger! From the East Coast, we are planning a Jewish-Chinese Extravaganza in L.A., where we both grew up.
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Bridal Red: Qua or Qipao

August 19th, 2008 @ 1:29 pm by Mrs. Hot Cocoa

I was psyched when I found a — no, the — dress for our wedding — ivory, lace, train, the works. But apparently one dress is not good enough for a Chinese wedding. My mom (in the voice reserved for things of monumental importance) demands at least 3 dresses: a “western” bridal gown, a Chinese qua or qipao, and an evening gown. Apparently (”There are rules! Rules!”) not only does custom dictate how many dresses one must change into (some brides go for as many as 7!), it also dictates when one must change into these getups, as well as what type of jewelry goes with each outfit. There goes my dream of sashaying about in my Monique Lhuillier all night. I’m going to spend all night changing from one outfit to another.

 [What Hong Kong looks like from a cab after a loooong day of wedding shopping.]

Oh well. No use whining when one could be out shopping. So this week, Hot Mama Cocoa, Sister HC, and I have been hitting the very hot pavement in Hong Kong in search of my Chinese outfit.

The first choice I had to make is whether to go with a qua or a qipao for the tea ceremony. The qua is a two-piece wedding costume that is ancient in provenance. Here’s a neat little explanation from Koon Nam Wah, Hong Kong’s most established qua maker:

There are two types of traditional ceremonial costumes: . . . long gowns and short jackets . . . for men, and [qua] for women. In the past, people of the middle and upper class often wore these traditional costumes for birthday banquets or on other grand occasions. In recent decades, however, [qua] embroidered with the dragon-and-phoenix pattern has been the ceremonial costume for brides. . . . The wedding costumes are usually embroidered with auspicious patterns such as the dragon and phoenix, mandarin ducks or flowers and plants. Traditional [qua] have two decorative sashes embroidered at the centre of the lapel. These bands are called zisundai (”offspring” bands), which means “having an abundance of offspring.”

It looks something like this:

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In recent years, brides have opted for something a little more body-conscious, less boxy, more vavavavoom. Hence, the qipao (sometimes called cheongsam).* Here is a conventional version of the qipao, red with the dragon/phoenix embroidery:

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* Some people also explain the choice between quas and qipaos as a regional one; northern Chinese brides wear one-piece dresses, while southern ones wear the two-piece qua. Neither I nor my family had heard of this difference before I sought wisdom from Auntie Google, but Auntie Google doesn’t lie (or so my students claim).

At first, I thought the choice between a qipao and a qua was a no-brainer. Look, baby’s got back. And it does not look good in a boxy, straight skirt. I mean, who wants to look like an embroidered potato sack? And even Hot Grandmama Cocoa was certain that quas were dated, the equivalent of wearing a “rad” hypercolor t-shirt with Z Cavaricci jeans to the opening of NY Fashion Week.

But then I went to look at quas in person at the Wing Wah Embroidery Co. and was floored by the amazing embroidery:

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As you can see, the embroidery is lush, artful, and three-dimensional. Here is a particularly fine specimen of a well-embroidered qua; the silver embroidery almost covers all of the red satin underlay, and the gold dragons and phoenixes literally pop off the material:

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And here is darling Mrs. Toucan, looking gorgeous in hers:


The prospect of wearing an art piece alone probably would have swung me over to the qua side. But then I visited Koon Nam Wah’s website and read all about the xi fu (masters) who create KNW’s embroidered pieces. The xi fu have to do some pretty fine embroidery work, so it’s no surprise that KNW selects only those with skill and dexterity. But that’s not all. You see, sweat can damage the embroidery and material. So KNW selects only xi fu who don’t sweat. Yeah, you read that right. Only those with the ability to suppress their glandular secretions need apply.

Beautiful embroidery? Nice. Beautiful embroidery done by little old men with no sweat glands? Awesome. I must have it. Plus the curmudgeonly xi fu I spoke with at KNW said he could make me a more modern qua, with a scalloped edge on the bottom of the jacket and a slightly more fitted shape. Sold.

[The Wall o’ Quas at KNW]

As for the qipao, well, I’m not giving that up either. I have a scheme to reinterpret the classic qipao to make it work as fusion formal wear. More on that to come.

In the meantime, tell me . . . have you made any wedding attire decisions that surprised you?


[Koon Nam Wah]

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23 Responses to “Bridal Red: Qua or Qipao”

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Mrs. Toucan (message)  984 posts, Busy bee

hehe… I actually wore both a qua and a qipao!

 
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Ada

Oh my gosh Miss HC! I am in the same predicament as you! Qua or qipao? I’m from Hong Kong, so I think I should go for the qua…plus it’ll probably hide that belly bulge I have too :P But…where to find one in New York? I won’t be going back to HK before my wedding!

 
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msduck

where are you planning to look for one in LA?

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  1,715 posts, Bumble bee

@Mrs. Toucan: And you’d better get those pictures up here soon so that I can see them!!!
@Ada: I hear you on the belly bulge. I wish one could do the tea ceremony at the end of the night; then I could eat everything and conceal it beneath my qua! Are there are qua rental/purchasing places in Chinatown?
@msduck: I’m not, actually. I’m going to get mine from Koon Nam Wah. They can make one for you in just a matter of days.

 
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Miss Pomegranate (message)  956 posts, Busy bee

Ooh I looove that second qua - gorgeous!

 
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frenchbulldog (message)  6,063 posts, Bee Keeper

Whoa those are gorgeous! The embroidery is incredible!

 
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Miss Sweet Tea (message)  461 posts, Helper bee

beautiful! you’ve already heard my drama with Filipino dresses, i won’t rehash them again :P

 
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mingaling

I am adamantly against the qua. I just feel like a granny in it.

Also, even though I swore I wanted a “different” qi pao, I ended up with traditional gold and red. So, yes, sometimes I surprise myself, too ;)

 
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charmedbride (message)  348 posts, Helper bee

my mom said i could get away without wearing the qua, but i’m still rocking the qipao and evening gown :). i agree that the qua is just a really breathtaking piece of art, but i don’t know if i’d feel comfortable wearing it…i’m on the smaller side and i can imagine it totally overwhelming me :p. anyway, we’ll be going to HK this christmas and i can’t WAIT to start qipao shopping with her!!

 
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Ms Popcorn

When my grandma was a young woman, any married woman who had one wore them at family weddings, and there’s a great photo of my grandma laughing, the youngest of several women in qua at a family wedding. Very striking to see several at a wedding, but a tradition that has died since nobody since my grandma’s generation has had her own, and even my mom and her sisters didn’t think to ask her to get it out for them to wear when they got married. My cousin and I revived it last year by each wearing grandma’s for some part of our wedding day.

Here’s me in it with my parents and my husband:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1369/1348471596_44855f6fbd.jpg

 
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Ms Popcorn

oh yeah, I also did both qua and choegsam. I only wore the qua for the tea ceremony, and my teal choeng sam, I wore for post honeymood dinners for people who weren’t at our small intimate wedding reception.

 
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Arthi

Wow, you get to wear THREE gorgeous dresses instead of just one? Lucky! Those are all so amazing.

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  1,715 posts, Bumble bee

@charmedbride: You’ll have such a great time shopping for your dresses! I totally thought the qua would be overwhelming as well, but it’s not so bad!
@Ms Popcorn: I love that you got to wear your grandma’s! That’s really special. I tried to convince my mom to wear one too — they have burgundy and black (like the one you have on) ones for the moms — but she said she didn’t want to look old! Hahahaha.

 
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melbride

I actually had five dress to change into that day; two for the morning and three in the evening. Instead of a kua, I did a two piece modern qipao with a jacket for the tea ceremony in the morning and then the evening I had two qipaos; one in red for table greeting and the gold for cake cutting and then of course my bridal dress and evening dancing dress.. it’s definitely fun and ppl thought I couldn’t do it in one night! =D

 
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C

I’m renting a qua and (maybe) having a qi pao made for the ‘going away’ part at the end of the night. How are you scheduling your day? We’re having our western ceremony (white wedding dress) and then our tea ceremony (qua) and then our reception (white wedding dress again then qi pao?). Would it be weird to change back into my white wedding dress from my qua?

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  1,715 posts, Bumble bee

@C: That sounds lovely! I don’t think it’s weird to change back to your dress, though I know some people (like my mom) have a superstition about that, so you might want to check with your family to make sure they aren’t going to object.

 
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weddings plan » Blog Archive » Oh Happy Day:Tea Ceremony #2 and Donning of the Qua

[...] and into a qua, the tralatitious Asiatic start appurtenances (for more, feature Miss Hot Cocoa’s post on this). At our morning repast ceremony, we exclusive served repast to my parents. For this [...]

 
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Likky

Hi! I have been thinking about purchasing a “qua” for my wedding, so I was curious, could you share the price range that you paid for your garment? I have emailed my cousins in HK, but they really don’t know, since the trend there is to rent. Also, how long did it take you from fitting to delivery? I was playing around with the idea of flying to HK just to get fitted for the “qua,” but do you think a week is enough time to get it all done? Any insights you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks (and please email me if you don’t want to comment here)!!! :)

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  1,715 posts, Bumble bee

@Likky: Hi! They are b/t $6000-10,000 HK, depending on the amount of embroidery. The ones at the bridal mall are at the lower end of that range, b/c they are machine-embroidered. The ones from Koon Nam Wah are at the higher end b/c they are hand-embroidered. I think you can pick it up pretty much right away; they have a variety of sizes in stock. I am in HK now and will ask for you. I’ll post a new post on it this week. Feel free to PM or email with additional questions.

 
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Holiday Greetings from Hong Kong » Weddingbee » The Wedding Blog

[...] and eating, we’ve managed to fit in a number of wedding-related tasks. I got fitted for my qua and qi pao, picked up our invitations, found gifts for my bridal party, sourced trimmings for future DIY [...]

 
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Potato Sack Qua Wedding Dress » Weddingbee » The Wedding Blog

[...] art — lavish, three-dimensional embroidery, done entirely by hand by little old Chinese men with no sweat glands. And if these aren’t good enough reasons, the happy look on my grandfather’s face when I tried [...]

 
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Oh Happy Day:Tea Ceremony #2 and Donning of the Qua » Weddingbee » The Wedding Blog

[...] dress and into a qua, the traditional Chinese wedding outfit (for more, read Miss Hot Cocoa’s post on this). At our morning tea ceremony, we only served tea to my parents. For this tea ceremony, we [...]

 


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