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Mrs. Bee, New York Age and Occupation: 29, Weddingbee Publisher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 33, Internet Engagement Date: May 7, 2004 Wedding Date: March 5, 2005 Venue: Westside Loft, New York About Me: Yes, my name really is Bee! I love my blogging, wikis, and tabasco sauce!
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Weddingbee and Marriage Equality

October 2nd, 2008 @ 12:28 pm by Mrs. Bee

Over the past two weeks, I’ve called most of the 100+ Bees to share the news (we do most things virtually here in the hive, so it was the first time I had spoken to a number of Bees!).  Everyone was really excited and I was touched by how many people had faith in me to do what’s right for Weddingbee.  That’s a lot of trust, and I will do everything I can not to let you down.

A bunch of questions came up, most of which I jotted down and answered in the last post.  But a few Bees also shared some concerns around our new parent company eHarmony, since their website doesn’t offer same-sex matching.

We’re sad to report that one of our married Bees – Mrs. Gingerbread – has decided she is no longer going to contribute to Weddingbee. Her posts will stay up on the website, but she won’t be posting any more.  We understand and respect her decision, and thank her from the bottom of our hearts for her many contributions to the hive.

Two of our other Bees – Miss Sweet Tea and Mrs. Creampuff – shared similar views about the need for eHarmony to offer a same-sex matching service… but are going to continue blogging for now.

All three Bees asked to post their thoughts on the site, so they could express their concerns.  I agreed, and you can read their posts below.

Publishing these posts was my decision.  I personally support marriage equality, and believe that everyone should have the right to marry who they love.  I’m very pleased that eHarmony has allowed me to publish these concerns on the site.  They understand the strong voice of Weddingbee’s community, which was one of the reasons I was enthusiastic about working with their team.

This has been the first true test of our editorial integrity, and I’m glad to report that editorial control of the site is still firmly in our hands.

Here are the three bees with their thoughts.

Weddingbee and Marriage Equality :  wedding announcements Creampuff.jpg Mrs. Cream Puff

When Bee first shared with me that she had sold Weddingbee, I was thrilled for her.  She has worked long nights for years, making this site into what it is today, and I totally support her decision to sell.  After all, more resources mean more cool features for you guys and more personal time for Bee and Mr. Bee, which I think we can all agree is a good thing!  When I heard that Weddingbee had been sold to eHarmony, though, I was very concerned.

I don’t remember when I first heard about eHarmony’s Christian roots; it was many years ago, I know that.  Although I knew that the website matched non-Christian couples (heck, one of my bridesmaids met her husband through eHarmony!), I’ll admit that I figured they were still contributing financially to Focus on the Family.  Why did I think that?  After all these years, eHarmony still excludes gay people from their matching, and show no sign of supporting them in the future (see the last paragraph on the last page of this article, which gives a quote from eHarmony’s CEO: “…We have a lot of things to go after and the gay community is not a market we’re going to pursue and that’s it.”).  Although it seems clear that eHarmony is trying to move away from the Christian sector and appeal to heterosexual people of all religious backgrounds, their lack of support for the LGBTQ community is a deal-breaker for me.  No matter what their reasoning, excluding a group of people from their website is discrimination.  Until eHarmony provides equal matching for the LGBTQ community, I will feel that the company as a whole is discriminatory.

That being said, I love Weddingbee, and I love all of you readers.  Being a blogger on this website has been so fun and rewarding:  I was honored to be chosen to share my wedding planning journey with you guys, and I am totally amazed and flattered every time I read your supportive comments.  I am almost done sharing my experience with you, and although I do have a lot more to say, what I really feel that I need to do is share the rest of my professional wedding photos with you.  I started this journey with you guys, and it’s only right to take this last step with you there as well.  I want to show you what came from all that hard work!

After I talked with Mrs. Bee, I realized that I had a very difficult decision to make: as much as I love Weddingbee and you readers, I felt like I couldn’t volunteer to make eHarmony more money.  I had no problem spending my time and energy blogging on Weddingbee before; it is so rewarding to communicate with you guys, and so fun to be part of the Hive.  Mr. and Mrs. Bee made their living from Weddingbee, and I was happy to help them.  eHarmony, however, is a different story: I could not in good conscience contribute to the wealth of a company which is so drastically at odds with my own morals and values.

At that point, I felt that I had two options: I either left Weddingbee and shared my reason for leaving, or I stayed on at Weddingbee, but somehow made my opposition to eHarmony’s practices known.  Thankfully, I have been allowed to do the latter.  To be honest, I am still on the fence about whether or not I will keep blogging for Weddingbee: one thing I know for sure, however, is that I do not want my name, even a moniker, associated with this company.  Please know that by choosing to stay on as a Bee right now, I am by no means making a permanent decision: I am still very much undecided.

Because this is a wedding planning website, politics aren’t generally discussed here (which is probably a good thing).  I know that many of you don’t have the same view on gay marriage as I do; you may be religious or not agree with calling a gay marriage “marriage.”  As a result, I am sure that this post will be very controversial.  I just ask you to remember one thing: this is how I feel, and I feel very, very strongly about it.  None of us are looking to create a firestorm in the comments section.  :)  Please respect the fact that we are standing up for what we believe in and are struggling with a very difficult decision, even if you don’t agree with it.

Thank you!
Cream Puff

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Weddingbee and Marriage Equality :  wedding announcements Sweettea About Miss Sweet Tea Miss Sweet Tea

I wanted to start this post by congratulating Bee and the behind-the-scenes support staff for finally seeing the fruits of their labor with the sale of Weddingbee. I was a long-time Weddingbee stalker before I became a volunteer blogger for the site, and seeing Bee and co. develop the site has been incredible. I’m sure we can all agree that Weddingbee has been an invaluable resource for planning our weddings and a great source of community.

Though I was excited for the change, I must admit my heart sunk when I found out that eHarmony was the company Weddingbee was sold to. It’s no big reveal that principles of social justice underlie not only my wedding planning process, but also my choice of profession and personal goals. As a queer woman and advocate for LGBTQ issues, I have strong reservations about eHarmony’s history and their current stance towards the LGBTQ community, as it goes directly against what I have worked so hard for.

eHarmony has stated that it is not part of their current business plan to include same-sex matching on their website any time soon.  Maintaining the ‘business interests‘ of the company has been eHarmony’s justification for denying its services to the LGBTQ community, though the history of its founder’s connection to Focus on the Family suggests to me that there are more than business interests at play.

If we are going to talk about business interests, then I believe eHarmony’s acceptance of the existing LGBTQ bloggers on Weddingbee (myself and Mrs. Gingerbread) is nothing more than another business decision. Token representation of a few LGBTQ bloggers on Weddingbee is not the same as changing an entire business model that I believe discriminates against members of the LGBTQ community as a whole.

My concern with eHarmony capitalizing on the presence of LGBTQ bloggers is not only out of principle, but out of the real material benefits the company gains by our continued blogging. It is profitable for eHarmony when any of us Bees blog; meanwhile, eHarmony loses nothing, because they can appear to support the LGBTQ community on Weddingbee while continuing to block same-sex matching on their main website. It is very painful for me to know that the ad revenue Weddingbee garners from its readers gives eHarmony more money to profit from, and to continue practices that I believe are discriminatory against the LGBTQ community.

I have loved blogging for Weddingbee, but I am concerned that my continued presence on this site suggests a tacit acceptance of eHarmony or their practices. I want to state for the record that this is not the case- I do not. eHarmony is a privately-owned company, and the moral imperatives guiding its business model are its choice. I, however, am not comfortable knowing that my contribution to Weddingbee ultimately benefits a company whose values and morals differ so drastically from my own.

I have every intention of continuing to blog through my wedding, because I would love to share the rest of my journey to the aisle with all of you. I hope that eHarmony is open to me continuing to include my views on wedding-related issues that I feel are important, such as LGBTQ marriage equality, and I look forward to continued dialogue with you all as Weddingbee moves into this new phase of growth and change. If I do decide to leave down the road, dear readers, know that it has been a joy and honor to be a part of the Weddingbee community with all of you!

Sincerely,
Miss Sweet Tea

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Weddingbee and Marriage Equality :  wedding announcements Gingerbread.jpg Mrs. Gingerbread

I’ll admit that I am feeling quite uncomfortable about the sale of Weddingbee to eHarmony. I totally understand why Weddingbee sold and I am very excited for what this means for Bee. I think she deserves kudos for creating a successful company that is in demand. However, I am not too keen on being a blogger for eHarmony.

I am concerned about this new partnership for two reasons.

1) I am concerned with eHarmony’s heavy involvement from 2000-2005 with Focus on the Family, an organization that promotes unscientific conversion therapies of LGBTQ people and homosexuality as a mental illness. I know that as both a member of the LGBTQ community and as a psychologist, that this rhetoric and these practices have and continue to cause a lot of harm to LGBTQ people.  I am not sure that I can be involved with a company that in any way is associated with an organization that promotes this type of practice.  Eharmony has distanced themselves from Focus on the Family for the past few years, but I worry that this is more of a business decision rather than an actual change of heart. I believe that their current company practices support my concerns.

2) eHarmony has a practice against same-sex matching. As recently as May 2008, the CEO of eHarmony was quoted in this article saying, “There’s a real business issue here,” Waldorf said. “You’ve got to decide what market you’re going to put resources against. For example, we’ve decided that the Chinese market will be a big enough opportunity. We have a lot of things to go after and the gay community is not a market we’re going to pursue and that’s it.”

eHarmony has associated with one of the most anti-LGBTQ organizations in the U.S. in the recent past and has a current practice of LGBTQ exclusion. To me, this indicates that eHarmony is an anti-LGBTQ company. Some might interpret eHarmony’s purchase of Weddingbee as a sign of progress, as they obviously know we had LGBTQ bloggers.  This concerns me, because I don’t want my presence as a blogger to be used as evidence that eHarmony has become more inclusive. If eHarmony really wants to be inclusive of the LGBTQ community, this should be reflected in their policies.

Some have argued that the best thing we can do to support LGBTQ equality is to stay on board to try to make changes from within the organization. I am not convinced that this is the best way for me to show support for my community. It has been really fun sharing my experiences of wedding planning with all of you and I am grateful to have been a part of the Weddingbee community. If eHarmony changes their practices in the future, then I’d feel more comfortable being a part of an eHarmony company. Until then, I don’t think that I can reconcile the past and present actions of eHarmony and continue to blog on this site. I wish I felt differently since I still have plenty that I want to share with you and I will miss this community. If eHarmony changes what I feel are discriminatory policies, then I’d love to return. Until then, you can find me over at my other blog http://twochicksnest.blogspot.com/.

All the best and many thanks,
Mrs. Gingerbread

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After reading these concerns, Stan over at eHarmony asked if he could share a response:

Hi everyone,

We’re excited to welcome Bee to eHarmony and to become part of the Weddingbee community. As you all know, she’s an amazing person who has an incredible passion for what she does. We’re looking forward to helping her fulfill her vision for Weddingbee.

Since our earliest conversations, we agreed with Bee that she should keep running Weddingbee after the acquisition and that we shouldn’t make any major changes – least of all to the content. We really value the strong, diverse voices that everyone brings to the site.

eHarmony’s matchmaking service was started in 2000 after we completed research on thousands of opposite sex married couples. That research is the foundation for our singles matching service today. That service has been adapted for foreign markets over time including Canada, Australia, and the UK and nothing precludes us from offering a same-sex matching service in the future.

We’re very proud of the many marriages that result from our site. A 2007 Harris Interactive study indicated that 236 people, on average, get married every day in the United States as a result of being matched on eHarmony. The users getting married are very diverse and you can read more about them here: http://www.eharmony.com/diversity. You can learn more about the history of the company here: http://www.eharmony.com/about/faq.

Today, the company has more than 200 employees around the world, and, like any mainstream company, we’re a mix of gender, ethnicity, age and sexual preference.  I’ve been here six months myself and find it a great place to work, where people are committed to helping others with some of the biggest personal decisions they face in life.

Though I don’t agree with all the statements in the posts above, we do appreciate the exchange of views.  The most important point we want to emphasize is that each of you has been an integral part of shaping Weddingbee and making the hive a vibrant online community. We hope you’ll continue to find value in Weddingbee, and over time see our commitment to helping the community continue to grow and thrive.

Sincerely,
Stanley Holt, Vice President of Publishing, eHarmony.

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Weddingbee and Marriage Equality :  wedding announcements Mrsbeeblue.jpg Mrs. Bee

Thanks Stan, for sharing the eHarmony perspective.  I’m glad we made the decision to air these concerns, and am looking forward to working together.

I think that marriage equality is an important issue in the wedding industry.  I’ve noticed that the wedding industry as a whole seems resistant to the idea – I can’t remember ever seeing a gay bride or couple in any wedding magazine or tv show.  The same goes for mainstream wedding websites.  I think this is bound to change over time, and hope that Weddingbee will play some small part in that.

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One last thought: I don’t mean to speak for all of the Bees with my thoughts above.  I am speaking only for myself, and for Weddingbee.com as a whole.  But several Bees asked if they could chime in with their thoughts on marriage equality, so please check out the comments!

Best,
Mrs. Bee

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Update: Please read this post clarifying some of the rumors in the comments section below.

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333 Responses to “Weddingbee and Marriage Equality”

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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  2,077 posts, Buzzing bee

To Mrs. Gingerbread, Mrs. Creampuff, and Miss Sweet Tea: You (and Mrs. Lovebug) could not be more eloquent, honest, or thoughtful in your posts. As I mentioned in my comments to the original posting, I will continue to blog because I hope that by supporting queer and LGBT issues in my posts, I will:

“1) undermine E-Harmony’s corporate “identity” from within;
2) challenge and subvert a deeply heteronormative company, industry, and institution by demonstrating that beautiful relationships, marriages, and families come in all different religions, ethnicities, races, and sexualities; and
3) help create and maintain a welcoming space for all types of brides and grooms.”

I just want to add one additional comment re: E-Harmony’s response. The “research model” excuse is nothing more than an excuse; E-Harmony is branching into markets (i.e., China) that are culturally very different, and for which E-Harmony’s established research model would have to be tweaked. There is nothing that precludes E-Harmony from doing the same with GLBT matches. Nothing other than its affiliation with Focus on the Family and likeminded groups. That being said, I hope our support of GLBT relationships here on this site will show E-Harmony that there’s not only profit but virtue in disavowing their connection with FotF and in changing their exclusionary policy.

 
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Mrs. Cream Puff (message)  227 posts, Helper bee

Thank you for that perspective, Hot Cocoa.

I personally do not believe that we have the POWER to change eHarmony from within, nor do I believe that Bee has that power.

In my life, I have never been presented with such an opportunity. I chose not to use eHarmony when I was dating, but their membership fee was a very nominal amount of money to choose not to give them. Now I am actually MAKING THEM MONEY. If I choose not to blog on Weddingbee anymore, I feel that I would be making far more of an impact than staying on would do. I am not under any illusions that I have more power than I do.

 
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Caroline (message)  102 posts, Blushing bee

I think the idea of an honest exchange is great, so I’m very disappointed in E-Harmony’s representative for pointing to this bogus research-model excuse. Neil Clark Warren of E-Harmony is well-known for his highly exclusive brand of evangelical Christianity. His link with Focus on the Family supports this, as FotF not only discriminates against gays but also believes a woman should not have the right to choose what to do with her own body. I’ll be interested to see how WeddingBee develops beneath this dangerous and sinister influence.

 
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Miss History

I want to thank you for sharing and voicing your concerns and/or reasons for leaving. I want to thank you for your contributions and for challenging my own personal beliefs and changing them. I appreciate the diversity you have given to the Weddingbee community and applaud you in your efforts to promote equality. Thank you!

 
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Miss Meatball (message)  624 posts, Busy bee

I’m so happy for Bee and the Weddingbee family, and hope that Bee gets a much needed vacation as a result of this sale.

But, I share deep concerns about eHarmony’s exclusionary policies, and feel conflicted about supporting a company under their umbrella. However, I have decided to keep blogging and openly supporting LGBTQ marriage on this site for the same reasons Miss Hot Cocoa outlined above.

I hope my little contribution towards equality helps open up some minds and hearts to the idea that love knows no boundaries, and it is not for us to judge who should be able to marry and who should not.

 
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jennred782 (message)  355 posts, Helper bee

I think it is great to hear both sides, I know being in CA this is a very large issue with Prop 8 being voted on in mere weeks (this could overturn the right for same sex couples to marry). I hope that Mrs. Cream Puff & Miss Sweet Tea continue to blog and will miss Mrs. Gingerbread.

 
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Mrs. Jasmine (message)  1,170 posts, Bumble bee

Many congratulations to Bee, Mr. Bee, and BIL Bee! Weddingbee is a true labor of love and I’m proud of everything the Bees have accomplished. It’s truly an honor to be a member of such a supportive, inspiring community and I foresee great things ahead for readers and bees alike.

That being said, I want to take a moment to share my feelings and concerns. It is my understanding that eHarmony will fully support Weddingbee’s values of inclusiveness and diversity. But I think many of us will agree that mere support is not enough. They have an opportunity to prove that their exclusionary policies are in the past and I will be watching carefully to see that they take advantage of it. It’s my sincere hope that eHarmony will be inspired by Weddingbee’s example and be moved to cast a critical eye at their own company. Ideally, they will move forward with advocacy for the rights of LGBTQ couples, validation of LGBTQ relationships, and dissassociation with discriminatory organizations and groups. I am very committed to doing what I can to encourage the company’s forward movement. I think I can only stay on at Weddingbee if I feel comfortable that eHarmony is *genuinely* moving in that direction.

I also wanted to applaud the bees who so openly shared their concerns in the above statement. I’m so proud to know each of you and call you a friend.

 
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Miss Taffy (message)  3,104 posts, Sugar bee

I also share deep concerns about the policies of eharmony. I am all for the support of the LGBTQ community and marriage rights, and this has put me in quite a spot.
I can only hope that by staying, I will help the effort that Miss Hot Cocoa has listed above.

 
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Miss OceanBeach SF (message)  181 posts, Blushing bee

I fully agree with what Miss Hot Cocoa and Miss Meatball stated above. It is my hope that by eHarmony allowing Weddingbee to continue to support marriage equality that it is a glimmer of change from within their company.

 
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Ms. K

Firstly, congratulations to Mrs. Bee for the news.

But I have to admit that I find that eHarmony’s involvement with Wedding Bee to be disconcerting to say the least. Even though same sex bloggers will still be featured on Wedding Bee, I can’t help but think that eHarmony is just putting on a façade of acceptance to the public. If I were in Mrs. Gingerbread’s shoes, I would have done the exact same thing.

I was really looking forward to applying to become a “Bee” blogger on this website, but now I’m truly torn from even continuing to be a reader.

 
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Marie-Eve

Nothing personal, but I don’t think I’ll continue visiting this site.

 
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Michelle

A few years ago a certain fast food company started a marketing campaign that clearly expressed their view that they were advertising to males. The half naked girls writhing around on bulls and fancy cars made that very clear to me. Because of that, and their decision to exclude a portion of the population in their advertising tactics, I have not given that company my business since. I have stood by that and didn’t waver because they had an awesome new milkshake flavor come out that I would greatly enjoy.

Mrs. Gingerbread: The utmost respect for your decision and your commitment to follow through all the way in your decision not to blog for this site anymore. Best of luck to you!

@Creampuff: You use the word “deal breaker” coupled with this comment: “I could not in good conscience contribute to the wealth of a company which is so drastically at odds with my own morals and values”, leads me to believe that your exit from the site is a sure thing. But you waver. You want to continue to share your professional pictures to finish your journey as a blogger on this site. Your passion for this cause should outweigh all other reasons to continue blogging. If you stand up for something, stand up for it all the way. This post should be your last, no matter how hard it is to walk away before you feel your time here is over.

@Sweet tea: As someone who stands very firm for these issues and for which they are in fact, personal to your own life, it is confusing as to why you would continue blogging. This is your life. This is your passion. Yet you are willing to turn a cheek in order to show off your wedding? A quote from you: “I, however, am not comfortable knowing that my contribution to Weddingbee ultimately benefits a company whose values and morals differ so drastically from my own.” If you really feel this way, Weddingbee should not be the place that you share your wedding.

While it is sad that readers (and bloggers) are leaving weddingbee, I find it admirable that people stand up 100% for what they believe in. To post words of dissent for this site and the new owners but to stick around to show off your pictures bothers me. I hate to use such a strong word but it is the only one I can come up with: hypocritical.

 
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The fact that the gentleman from eHarmony is characterizing sexuality as “preference” rather than orientation is enough for me. Does eHarmony officially subscribe to this bigoted myth, or are they just so blase about their dealings with the LGTBQ community that they didn’t think twice about the language they use?

Also, nice call stuffing all this into one post rather than several. That way dissenting opinions will get pushed off the home page faster! Well played.

 
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Amy

I am so happy for Mrs. Bee, but truthfully am very uncomfortable about the sale to eHarmony. I love the wedding bee and it has been one of my favorite parts about the planning process, but I have had strong personal feelings about this company for many years, and even adding to the daily counter of those who visit WB does not feel right. I’m not sure if I can continue visiting the site.

 
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Mrs. Cream Puff (message)  227 posts, Helper bee

@Michelle: You’re right. I think part of me felt like maybe I COULD change this website from within, as some of the other bloggers have said above. I actually wrote the above post quite awhile ago, and have had more time to think since then.

 
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Mrs. Cream Puff (message)  227 posts, Helper bee

or rather, change eHarmony from within, not this website.

 
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mrsD1011

When first stumling on to Weddingbee 5 months ago, I was truly amazed. To read the blogs of these amazing and successful women still finding the time to plan the wedding of their dreams. I send huge congrats to the Bees’ and BIL Bee. It is well-deserved!
Growing up in Appalachin Region of the country I have been an automatic stereotype magnet. Though I grew up in the city, 10 minutes outside the states biggest city, I still would be considered a “redneck” just for my demographics. Hopefully I speak for the educated, open-minded, equality-seeking sector of my states when I say this. I fully support the LGBTQ community. I also fully support the Bees in this amazing hive. As Miss Hot Cocoa, Mrs. Creampuff, Miss Meatball, and Miss Sweat Tea have stated, I hope that this merger will help to shape the future of eHarmony and the change of their policies. Mrs. Gingerbread though I am sad to see you leave, I completely admire your strong-will and willingness to give up something you love for something you BELIEVE in. I wish you and the Mrs. the best of luck! To all the other Bees and Weddingbee Readers like me, there cannot be change or evolving without a voice. Speak your thoughts! Love to you all!

Future Mrs. D… in 8 days =)

 
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jgs

Mrs. Cream Puff: Do you have a personal blog? I, for one, would be happy to view the remainder of your wedding photos there!

 
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Caroline (the other one)

I fully second Ms. K. While I understand what Miss Hot Cocoa and Miss Meatball are saying, and why they’re continuing to blog, I have to agree with Miss Cream Puff in her cynicism. Blogging for eHarmony on an ad-supported site is making them money; until Weddingbee’s LGBTQ writership comprises a (much) higher percentage of the total Bees, eHarmony will be able to point to ‘inclusivity’ while not actually having to condone a non-hetero-Christian marriage standard.

I’m getting married in September 2009, and I had my heart set on applying to become a Bee. I am so disappointed that I won’t ever have the chance now; I am certainly not willing to earn eHarmony money by blogging here, and I am uncertain that I’ll be able to continue supporting their ad revenue by reading Weddingbee.

I appreciate your reasons for selling, Mrs. Bee, and i especially appreciate all of you Bees who have written in with your views of marriage equality, but I don’t think I can continue to support the site knowing it’s backed by a corporation with such a history and worldview.

 
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Becky

I am skeptical that eHarmony would put zero pressure on the hive to exclude LGTBQ bloggers. I also feel sorry that this, which should be an exciting time for the Bees, feels so much like selling out. Keeping your convictions while partnering with someone of the opposite convictions seems impossible.

Looking forward to hearing the other comments.
Becky

 
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