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Mrs. Cheese, Knoxville Age and Occupation: 29, Engineering Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, CAD Designer Engagement Date: July 31, 2008 Wedding Date: May, 2009 Blogging Since: October 16, 2008 Venue: Our home and the two acres it sits on About Me: I’m an emotional girl who loves sentimental things, parenthetical asides, and trying to do things herself. I can cook, sew, am a whiz at planning, terrible at delegating, and totally in love with my fiancé (who will be my second husband but first love of the rest of my life). For our home/ garden/ DIY wedding, we’ll be moonlighting as interior designers, home improvers, and gardeners with the help of our fabulous friends and neighbors. We can’t wait to be married, and are learning how fun getting married can be.
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On the Couch…

October 21st, 2008 @ 6:18 pm by Mrs. Cheese

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I’m admitting it here publicly: Mr. Cheese and I go to couples counseling on a regular basis.

I’m also admitting here, publicly, that I didn’t want to. No, thanks. We’re not even married, thankyouverymuch. What kind of a bad sign is it that we’re ALREADY having to go to a counselor? Uh, uh. (The real reason, of course, was that I was embarassed and sure that I would get scolded.)

But, in the end, off we went, because the only thing I dreaded more than going to a counselor together was the thought of my life without him. If that’s not love, I don’t know what is.

I’ll start by telling you what couples counseling isn’t. It’s not a sign of failure, a bad omen, anything to be embarrassed about, or a miserable experience. It’s not something I’m ashamed to admit we need. It doesn’t mean that we don’t love each other or that we aren’t capable of being happy — you know, all that bubbles and rainbows stuff that everyone wants. It doesn’t mean that I’m broken or wrong or that he’s broken or wrong.

What it does mean is that we are mature adults (well, mostly!) who understand that being happily married is a skill as much as it is an intent. It means that we acknowledge that we have things to work on and that we are committing to doing that work, even when it’s uncomfortable. It means that we want the best and most supportive relationship for each other and ourselves.

Mr. Cheese gets the extra credit for this one, because we go to the same counselor that I’d been seeing on my own. I’m not sure that I could have handled it if the situation was reversed (Mr. Cheese, if you’re reading this, you got extra credit!). I’d gone to see the counselor when I first started dating Mr. Cheese because I realized that I had to deal with my history, and quick, given the feeling that this relationship was destined for great things.

“Get to the details, woman. Do you get scolded? Is your counselor like a referee?” That’s what I’d be asking. “How do you prepare? What can I expect?”

Fred (because our counselor reminds me of Mr. Rogers) starts out every session by asking, “So how are things?” Sometimes, we’re just waiting for the last word in that sentence so that we can get started. Other times, things are good (or realllly frustrating) and it takes us a while to get to the point. We basically talk about what’s been going on and Mr. F interjects with questions and suggestions as necessary. He has told one of us that the other is right, but that’s not typical. He’s asked one of us to be quiet while he talks with the other one. (Guess who gets asked to be quiet most often? Whaaat? I’m very verbal! Okay, okay, I’m a big mouth.) He’s given us things to think about, explained what the other is saying in words we both understand, and even reminds us that we’re okay, that fighting is normal, that our world doesn’t have to fall apart if we don’t want it to.

Mr. Cheese and I drive there together and on the way we sometimes talk about what we need to talk about. Other times, we know what we need to talk about (oh, we KNOW). We have gone as often as once a week and have recently cut back to once a month — and I’m fine with either. I don’t feel like we shouldn’t need this, anymore.

Why does it work? Why can’t we work these things out on our own? *Shrug* Because we are different people with different histories and perspectives and assumptions and it takes an objective third party to help us communicate. It also works because for one solid hour, we have no distractions, nothing to divert us from the task at hand, which is dealing with our relationship.

My advice to my former self would be this: Don’t be afraid to try. You’re not a failure at relationships, you’re just human. You know that you have technical issues (like saying words that you each understand and explaining yourselves well, not to mention knowing how to support each other in the ways that make you feel supported) not structural issues (like trust or cheating or an unwillingness to commit). These are skills, and you learn skills by working with a teacher, an expert, a guide. When you got a puppy, you enrolled in classes with a trainer to learn how to be a good owner, right? Throw yourself into this like you would a class and you’ll be fine. Remember that if the other person is willing to try something uncomfortable for the sake of your relationship, he’s a keeper. Now, go work on keeping him. Love.

P.S. Holly Robinson and Rodney Peete see a counselor regularly (I heard it on their radio show). I think I read that SJP and Matthew Broderick and Brangelina go as well. Think of it like cleaning your house. You can do it defensively when things get really stinky, or you can just pick up the small messes as you go.

Your turn. How do you feel about couples counseling? Have you gone? What advice or tips would you offer someone (like my former self) who is a little chicken and looking for information?

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misspanda

You. are. awesome. Seriously, your posts are so honest and refreshing. Thanks for sharing this with me… I’ve gone back and forth on the whole counseling thing and I’m pretty set on definitely getting counseling before marriage. Thanks for sharing your perspective!

 
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BrideDIY

Thanks for the awesome and honest perspective on couples counceling.

We did sessions with our priest before we got married and they helped us deal with a lot of things that were just sitting around “getting stinky” as you say. Since my husband travels about 30-40 weeks a year for business we needed time that we could set aside just to talk to each other without distractions.

I have friends who I have strongly encouraged to do the same, trying to explain that it isnt something to be ashamed of and isnt a sign of brokeness in your relationship but that you actually care enough about each other to try. Unfortunatly a lot of couples dont use couples counciling as a proactive way to better their marriage but only as a last ditch effort to save it when things are alreay horribly off course, hence it’s stigma unfortunatly.

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sweetestdaybride (message)  43 posts, Newbee

Thanks so much for this post. I totally agree with your perspective on couples counseling. As a clinical psych grad student who’s worked in the field, I wish that everyone had such an open view of counseling. Mental health is just as important as physical health, and there’s nothing weak about wanting to work on your own stuff as well as your relationship.

Awesome post…I think you are pretty great!

 
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apb

I think couples’ counseling is a great option for many people, and I would not hesitate to go again. I went with my first husband. It was, unfortunately not a pleasant experience for me at all. Abuse and controlling behavior were involved. He never made any attempts to take the advice of the counselors (we had a male/female team), and he could never list any reasons for his actions.

I am glad that I know I did everything I could to save what was once a promising relationship. I wish now that they had somehow given me permission to give up, but I also realize that many counselors feel that is not their place. The experience really brought a lot of issues out into the open and enabled me to see the situation for what it was.

I am now in a wonderful relationship, more wonderful than I could ever have imagined, and I actually trust my fiance as I never thought I could. We have not done couples counseling, but I would definitely try before things got really “stinky”. We’ve talked about it and are both open to it should the need arise.

Also: I totally related to something you said in another post about knowing your current relationship was the real deal when you started thinking of your ex as your “first husband”. I too had the exact same aha! moment. I really appreciate your honesty and sincerity, and I know there must be many others who feel the same. I also really like the technical v. structural analogy.

 
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frenchbulldog (message)  7,706 posts, Bumble Beekeeper

Ditto on you being awesome for being so honest :)
FH and I could definitely use someone to help when we don’t understand what the other is saying.

 
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I love you. Seriously.

I love your honesty and realness and the fact that your posts show that while relationships are wonderful, they’re not all rainbows and smiles.

The truth is, ALL relationships (whether or not people want to admit it or not) require a great deal of attention and work and that can sometimes be tiring.

Bravo to you for shining the light!

 
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drea

i agree too on couples counseling! especially for pre-marital counseling, which helped us a lot. since we can’t afford going to counseling regularly, we are going through a few couples books/workbooks together and it helps a lot, especially in communicating which has been our key issue.

 
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Miss Sea Breeze (message)  972 posts, Busy bee

I was all for couples counseling too and I think if I press him a bit further, Mr Breezy could be convinced too. You’re right - having a successful marriage is a skill, not something that happens after a sprinkle of pixie dust on your wedding day. Great post, Miss Cheese.

 
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Mrs. Eggplant (message)  304 posts, Helper bee

This was an awesome post. I totally believe in therapy! We went through pre marital counseling and worked through a premarital book on our own also. If both of us didn’t moonlight as the counseling types (our Myers-Briggs personality types are both very introspective and counselor-ish and several of our closest friends are therapists by profession, so we talk about issues A LOT on our own), we’d be having regular sessions also. :-)

 
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Mrs. Corn (message)  1,128 posts, Bumble bee

“being happily married is a skill as much as it is an intent”

Amen.

Sooooo many people just. don’t. get. that. or they ignore it or refuse to admit it.

Thanks for being honest and forthright. It is refreshing and appreciated

 
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Mrs. DG (message)  8,491 posts, Bumble Beekeeper

While we have not needed to go there, I made sure early on that Mr. Doctor would at least be willing to go if we needed it. We’ll probably do a pre-Caana type of prep, but to be honest we did a ton of the “hard work” while we were in a long distance relationship for 2 years.

It’s nice to know it’s out there, though and if we need it we won’t hesitate.

 
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Mrs. Pinot Noir (message)  799 posts, Busy bee

Great post! Relationships are hardwork and couseling sounds like a great option!

 
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vaj

I can definitely relate. My boyfriend hit me, and I wound up going to counselling. We’re good now, everything’s amazing, but I still am waiting for us to go to counselling together, so that our arguments don’t escalate to that level ever again.

 
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Lara

I am so glad to see this kind of info being shared. I am a huge advocate for couples counseling and taking time to really do the “work” of marriage. Great post!

 
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Agnes

Amazing! THANKS so much for posting this on behalf all the brides-to-be, girlfriends and wives! I have never needed couples counseling but I do have major mental, stress related issues and I am wondering if seeing a therapist would help. I never thought I would need a shrink because I thought I was strong enough but I guess we all run into bumps on the road. Anyone heard of a good one in Cleveland, Ohio area?

 
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December
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December (message)  485 posts, Helper bee

Thank you so much! The majority of me and my fiance’s relationship has been spent doing once a week pre-marital counseling, long before we were ever engaged! We come from extremely different backgrounds, and it just helped to learn how to communicate with each other more effectively, to understand that things that are meaningful or communicative to you are not necessarily so to your partner, the importance of having rules in the relationship, etc.
I really LOVE having rules in our relationship — some are really basic, like “No violence, ever” and others are more specific: “No serious decisions can be made after 10 pm”.
We are now through all that our church requires us to do before marriage, but we continue to go, mostly just to have the practice of fighting in front of a referee, if you will. :)

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  2,098 posts, Buzzing bee

I second Seabreeze and Corn. I admire that you write about the real stuff of marriage, not just wedding planning. What a great addition to the hive!!!

 
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aly

i am in agreement with everybody. you are amazing. you are so real and write about issues we can all relate to.
ive been wanting to see a counselor for quite some time for my personal issues and i also feel my fiance and i should go. my question is, how do you find one? how do you find a good one? i saw one before but i didnt feel she was very helpful and stopped going after five sessions. how did you find yours?

 
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MsTiramisu (message)  9 posts, Newbee

THANK YOU!
I’m glad to hear I’m not alone at having to work at things even in the bliss of wedding planning (HA!)

I’ve also been thinking we need an objective third party to help us with our differing attitudes on finances-our only fights are about money! (arggghh)

“being happily married is a skill as much as it is an intent”
YES!
Actually, quite often I think of it as running a small business!!

Thanks again!
Please keep us posted on the progress-because chances are, we’re right there with you.

 
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Miss Cheese (message)  801 posts, Busy bee

Thanks, everyone! I feel relieved (again… I’m always nervous that my posts won’t go over well for some reason) and so lucky to be in a place where so many people can relate.

@December: I’ve never heard the 10pm rule. Why? Because it’s too late to come to resolution?

@aly: I arbitrarily chose one through my employee assistance program (or whatever it’s called) and I got lucky. My advice (and of course, only my opinion) is to go a couple of times, and if you’re not comfortable, try someone else. When it’s right, you’ll know. Our counselor has an incredible ability to morph into different things for each of us. He will be very logical and talk to me in my words, and then switch over and use examples for Mr. Cheese.

@MsTiramisu: I think that money issues are a great place to get the help of a facilitator, because they’ll always be around unless you figure them out! I think I read an article somewhere about a marriage being like a small business, but I can’t remember where.

 
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Mrs. Cheese, Knoxville Age and Occupation: 29, Engineering Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, CAD Designer Engagement Date: July 31, 2008 Wedding Date: May, 2009 Blogging Since: October 16, 2008 Venue: Our home and the two acres it sits on About Me: I’m an emotional girl who loves sentimental things, parenthetical asides, and trying to do things herself. I can cook, sew, am a whiz at planning, terrible at delegating, and totally in love with my fiancé (who will be my second husband but first love of the rest of my life). For our home/ garden/ DIY wedding, we’ll be moonlighting as interior designers, home improvers, and gardeners with the help of our fabulous friends and neighbors. We can’t wait to be married, and are learning how fun getting married can be.

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