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Mrs. Cheese, Knoxville Age and Occupation: 29, Engineering Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, CAD Designer Engagement Date: July 31, 2008 Wedding Date: May, 2009 Blogging Since: October 16, 2008 Venue: Our home and the two acres it sits on About Me: I’m an emotional girl who loves sentimental things, parenthetical asides, and trying to do things herself. I can cook, sew, am a whiz at planning, terrible at delegating, and totally in love with my fiancé (who will be my second husband but first love of the rest of my life). For our home/ garden/ DIY wedding, we’ll be moonlighting as interior designers, home improvers, and gardeners with the help of our fabulous friends and neighbors. We can’t wait to be married, and are learning how fun getting married can be.
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Giving It Up to Get It Back

November 4th, 2008 @ 1:14 pm by Mrs. Cheese

I come from family of strong, independent, self-sufficient women. Mostly educators — and all well-educated — my people believed in smarts, creativity, and the value of a solid job to protect against the uncertainty of life, losses, and relationships. I learned their lesson well, choosing a career with transferable skills (IT project management) in a growing industry (health care) and graduating from a state school without debt (thanks in large part to scholarships and the aforementioned career’s tuition reimbursement).

Relationships, though, require different skills and lessons. I’m guessing this is obvious to many of you, but it wasn’t to me. {This will be a brief interlude into my first marriage, but I promise I’ll come back around to what it means for me now.} So, without actively trying, I insulated myself and my career in my first marriage. Essentially, he could do anything he wanted and I would support it as long as it didn’t detract from the “trajectory” of my life. Move to New York? Sure! I can work from there and my company will actually benefit. Take some time off because you can’t find a job you like? Absolutely, in fact, I’m pretty sure I suggested it. Doesn’t affect my career, and I count on my own salary to handle the bills anyway. When we divorced, all of this worked out very well for me because except for the emotional trauma, my life didn’t change much. Same job, same opportunities, same apartment, same public life. I was safe.

Except, of course, that — leaving aside the details and nuances — I think that’s why we didn’t last. I wasn’t willing to give any of “me” up in exchange for “us.”

Here’s my theory: you have to be willing to give up some of “you” (actually, the thing about you that you most tightly grasp) in order for a relationship to work. In practice, you might not ever have to go through with it, but you have to be willing… and the other person has to be willing, too. See, if he has my best interests at heart, and I have his, then balance is restored and all is right with the world.

It first occurred to me not long after we bought the house in which we live together. We’d been debating (okay, okay, arguing) about which home improvement project should come first, upgrading the kitchen or adding a bathroom. I was all about the kitchen, and he wanted another bathroom. No big surprise there, given that I’m the one who cooks. That discussion did not end well. Not long after, we had the same debate, but this time I really wanted him to have the extra bathroom and he really wanted me to have a better kitchen, and it was a great discussion. Same outcome (we put it off because we are SO not at the point where we are ready to take on projects that big), different experiences.

On a much bigger scale, we’ve been talking about our future and a potential move. As someone who’s lived in four cities in five years and twice as many apartments, I don’t mind moving, and my career is the one that will eventually require it. I long ago accepted that my children won’t be within shouting distance of my family, and that executives at my company move to where the opportunities are. The mister, though, loves this city. He’s lived around Knoxville his whole life and planned to raise his kids here, near his parents. It’s a scary dilemma and one that was almost a deal breaker when we were dating. I can’t guarantee that I’ll live in one city for the rest of my life, not without making some difficult career choices*, and he’s uncomfortable with the idea of moving every two years. We agreed that we would deal with it when the time came, when I was offered a job that was too good to pass up, even though it would mean moving. Neither of us was particularly happy, but it was enough.

I’m on my way home from my second business trip in two weeks and I’ve had an epiphany. For this man, for the kids we’ll have together and the life we’ll share, I will make career changes. To be able to raise our kids near their grandparents, live on our street in our neighborhood with our friends, build memories in our house and on the property where we married… I’ll adapt my career if I have to.

But I’m betting that if that fabulous work opportunity comes up, I won’t have to pass, because he loves me and believes in me and he’d move across the country with me. I would give it up if it wasn’t right for my family, though, and be happy with the choice.

And all is right with the world.

Your turn. Did you have to be open to giving something up to make your relationship great? Do you agree with me that it has to be reciprocal?

* To put this in perspective, I work from home and can probably continue to do that in the foreseeable future as long as I choose my jobs carefully. I’m lucky in that I have the option to find roles that allow this kind of flexibility, even though it’s not the greatest thing for my productivity or happiness — I get lonely, and the big jobs that help you stay ahead are rarely remote ones. Staying in Knoxville could mean missing out on some great opportunities for big executive-level jobs.

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10 Responses to “Giving It Up to Get It Back”

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RenaissanceTrophyWife

Miss Cheese, I love your posts! Sorry for the ensuing novella, but I just wanted to thank you so much for raising this issue and share a little of my story.

I totally agree that having the other person’s best interests in mind is what makes a relationship work. I had a similar trajectory, although with different guy issues.

In medical school, I saw too many relationships break up or be negatively affected due to residency choices and career pressures. So, I made a decision not to date seriously (which ended up being barely at all) during med school since I wanted to focus on my career, and that was the most important thing for me at that time.

There are many things in medicine that make you reevaluate priorities in life, and I realized that the career I wanted (pediatric plastic surgery) would essentially exclude any chance of me spending significant time with my family, and meeting a man with whom I could start a family.

I met my guy during my last year, when I was in the midst of evaluating non-medical careers, in CA, Chicago, NY…. The last thing on my mind was getting into a long-term relationship, but in the first hour of meeting him, I knew that if I gave up a chance with him, I’d regret it for a very long time. While I’d already made the decision to move to finance, I chose a job in the immediate area to be near him, and my family.

I can say I’ve never been happier. A few months ago, another opportunity for me came up that looked fabulous on paper, but would’ve put great strain on our relationship due to hours and distance. I agonized for a while, but in talking to a good friend, things became clear.

If you’re not happy, you won’t maximize your potential. Period. If taking a high-flying job made me miserable, I wouldn’t perform well, and in the end, everyone loses.

Yes, I’ve given up things for the sake of our relationship (so has he), but we’ve also gained so much back. It is totally worth it.

 
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Wolff2Be (message)  170 posts, Blushing bee

I definitely agree with you - relationships are all about compromise! My FH and I are lucky enough to have jobs in the city where we both grew up, most of our families are still living here as well, and are looking forward to raising children here. I know that eventually one of us will have to give up something, we have yet to cross that bridge, but when we do get there, I know I’m 100% willing to move anywhere in the world to be with him and I know he’d do the same for me. :)

 
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budgetbeautiful

I’m a firm believer that there is not just “one” person for us. I think “the one” is the person you meet when you’re both ready for the relationship. I’ve had relationships before that could have resulted in marriage, but didn’t because there was no compromise, on both sides. I thought people could “change”. They can, but generally not when you force them into it.

I’m giving up my “big city” life for my fiance. He’s a small town type of person, and right now lives about an hour south of Washington, DC, where I am. I will probably continue working in the city, but we’ll be moving in together somewhere in the middle of where we’re both working. I’m also giving up my Sunday afternoons, because I never thought I’d say it, but I’m starting to like football! :facepalm:

 
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I just found out why your my favorite bee…thanks for this!

 
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heavnzbrat

WORD. i wish my best friend could read this post. but i’m so glad to read about how ur relationship is learning and growing. ur amazing and both u and ur man are blessed to have each other.

rock on!

 
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empyle1 (message)  71 posts, Worker bee

Miss Cheese, you are making me reevaluate everything in my life (in a good way!) You’ve got such insight into things, and reading your posts just makes me feel so refreshed. I love your point of view and your take on life.

My husband and I recently bought a house in a certain area because we had to live there for his job. After two months on the job, he has decided that he hates it and is going to take a job in a different part of the state. We had *just* gotten settled into the house, the paint had just dried, we had finally gotten all of our mail coming to the right place, and he decides that we need to move again. My response? “Oooooo… I can’t wait to go looking for houses again!” Sure…. I could have been incredibly pissed that we had just bought our house and now are putting up for sale, but what good would that have done? Him being completely miserable isn’t going to be good for anyone involved, so I’ll make the sacrifices that I need to to make sure that he loves his life.

On the flip side, he has given up sooo many things for me. He wanted to live within 10 miles of our small hometown.. I wasn’t comfortable with that, so we bought a house 3 hours away. I know it’s not what he had in mind, but it was something that he was willing to compromise on if it meant a greater happiness between us.

 
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Miss Cheese (message)  801 posts, Busy bee

@RenaissanceTrophyWife: This is a great story! I think that sometimes it doesn’t feel politically correct (or “female empowering”) to talk about giving things up for the sake of a relationship, but that’s reality. For years, I thought that I could have it all while still completely protecting my independence, and maybe some women do, but I found that to get the deep relationship I wanted required that I be willing to make trade-offs… which, of course, makes sense. What person (guy or girl) wants to be with someone that won’t bend, even a little bit, to make it work? Good for you!

 
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Miss Cheese (message)  801 posts, Busy bee

@empyle1: Exactly. When I read your second paragraph, I thought, Uh, oh. I hope that the miserable job thing doesn’t become a cycle, and I hope that he understands what it’s costing you. Then I read your third paragraph and it was all okay — he’s making trade-offs as well. All is well and balanced!

@budgetbeautiful: I completely agree with you. The pool of possibility is a rather large one, otherwise, how in the world would anyone find the right person? And much of the success (so far, knock on wood) of my relationship with the mister lies in timing. I’m at a place in my life (and maturity) where I know what I can give up and still be happy — and what I can’t. I’m ready to settle down, I’m settled in my career and where I want it to go, and I’m at a point where I want to start thinking about kids. I also happened to find a guy with whom I’m compatible (it’s more than that, but as simple as that)… all is well.

 
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I gave up smoking for my man. It’s less-than-related to your post, and for my own good obvi, but I truly didn’t want to. :)

 
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December (message)  485 posts, Helper bee

My college piano teacher is an incredibly gifted musician who went through graduate school side by side with her husband, but then became a stay at home mom and piano teacher to let him get his doctorate and go on to lead two highly successful college music departments. She’s just now, with her youngest one in college, starting to restart her career. She once told me something to the effect that there is sometimes only enough room in a marriage for one ambition at a time — you can either share or go after your own ambition at the cost of the marriage. She and her husband have one of the best relationships I’ve ever seen, and I think it’s because of that giving spirit that they have with each other.

 

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Mrs. Cheese, Knoxville Age and Occupation: 29, Engineering Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, CAD Designer Engagement Date: July 31, 2008 Wedding Date: May, 2009 Blogging Since: October 16, 2008 Venue: Our home and the two acres it sits on About Me: I’m an emotional girl who loves sentimental things, parenthetical asides, and trying to do things herself. I can cook, sew, am a whiz at planning, terrible at delegating, and totally in love with my fiancé (who will be my second husband but first love of the rest of my life). For our home/ garden/ DIY wedding, we’ll be moonlighting as interior designers, home improvers, and gardeners with the help of our fabulous friends and neighbors. We can’t wait to be married, and are learning how fun getting married can be.

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