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Mrs. Hot Cocoa, Boston/Los Angeles Age and Occupation: 31, JD/PhD Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 32, Medical Student Engagement Date: May 30, 2008 Wedding Date: March, 2009 Blogging Since: April, 2008 Venue: Ritz Carlton, Marina Del Rey About Me: I am a professional student by day and an amateur cupcake taster, bargain shopper, and wedding planner by night. I am obsessed with NPR, the Food Network, paper, dance shows, Anthropologie, post-structuralist theory, Weddingbee!, "The Office," and celebrity gossip. When not procrastinating from my dissertation, I spend time catering to Jellyby, our overly anxious shih tzu, and getting to know Mr. Hot Cocoa. We have only been dating for fifteen years, so it's like I'm in love with a stranger! From the East Coast, we are planning a Jewish-Chinese Extravaganza in L.A., where we both grew up.
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Picking a Date

November 10th, 2008 @ 1:14 pm by Mrs. Hot Cocoa

The very first item on our agenda after getting engaged was picking out a date for the wedding. The process was such an ordeal though that I just couldn’t bring myself to blog about it until now. But I thought I’d write about it today just to test out my theory that there ain’t no trauma that a box of Trader Joe’s chocolate raspberry sticks can’t fix.

As you might know, Mr. HC’s family is Jewish and mine is Buddhist. Although the two of us are quite secular, we both wanted to be respectful of our families’ beliefs, as well as to honor the cultures from which we came. Still giddy from being engaged and totally naive as to the ways in which wedding planning can be one ginormous pain in our collectively large buttocks, we started looking into dates that would be auspicious for both cultures. “There’s 365 days in a year,” we stupidly observed. “How difficult could this be?” Idiots!

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[Jew-Bu: cute on t-shirts, but much tougher in reality.]


We thought about getting married in April or May, but in the Jewish calendar, the period between the holidays of Passover and Shavuot is a time of sadness and mourning known as the “counting of the Omer.” Weddings are prohibited during at least 33 days out of this seven week period, and even rabbis with fairly liberal attitudes about Jewish law refrain from officiating at weddings during the prohibited days. So this knocked out a few of our possible weekends.

The Chinese calendar, however, was even less accommodating. Many people are content to use a Chinese almanac called the Tung Tsing to pick an auspicious wedding date. Curious? You can test out your wedding date here. (Hot Mama Cocoa disapprovingly warns that the internet almanacs aren’t properly calibrated to the real Tung Tsing.)

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[Tung Tsing, courtesy of Mrs. Cherry Blossom]

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[The inside of the Tung Tsing. Is this straightforward or what?]

But if you are super hardcore, like my family, you don’t just rely on a book to find a good date. You call up your personal fortuneteller (what? you don’t have one of those?) and ask him to find you not just any run of the mill lucky date, but a date that is particularly auspicious for you and your family. To find such a date for us, the fortuneteller needed to have the date and time of birth for not only Mr. HC and me, but also our parents, grandparents, and siblings. If a date was inauspicious for any one member of the family, it was a no go.

To give you a picture of how seriously my family took all this, let me repeat a typical conversation I had with my mother during this period:

Hot Mama Cocoa: “July X is a good day.”

Me: “But Mr. HC starts his residency in mid-June. If we have the wedding on July X, he won’t be able to show up to our wedding!”

HMC: Silence.

Me: “How about June X?”

HMC (in a voice reserved for matters of fact, like the sky is blue): “You can’t get married on that date. July X is a good day.”

Me: Silence.

Iterations of this conversation went on for weeks. My sister was threatening to buy me a life-sized cut-out of Mr. HC that I could “marry” on my wedding day, since it didn’t seem like the rest of my family were too concerned about Mr. HC’s presence. Meanwhile, Mr. HC and I were getting increasingly frustrated… with each other, with our families, with wedding planning. We both knew that my family meant well, that they only wanted us to have a lucky wedding day and a good marriage. But it was looking like we couldn’t even get married because there wasn’t going to be a weekend that worked.

Eventually, Mr. HC and I decided that even if we had to get married much earlier than we anticipated, we’d rather accommodate the Chinese calendar than go into our marriage with my family believing that we were doomed. Thankfully, we were able to find a weekend in March that happened to be okay according to the Jewish calendar and propitious according to the Chinese fortuneteller.

Lest you go thinking that this is one of those super cheery blog posts with a magically delicious ending, let me confess that the reason this experience is on my mind is because the ordeal is beginning anew with the time of our ceremony. A Saturday evening Jewish wedding can’t begin until after sunset (and the official end of the sabbath), which on our wedding date will be around 6:45 pm. Of course, Hot Mama Cocoa tells us this week that 7 pm is a “dark hour” according to the Chinese calendar.

I have no words. None. And I just ate 10 chocolate raspberry sticks.

Family/cultural requirements driving you to chocolate? Kvetch here.

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julieulie (message)  266 posts, Helper bee

Oh, Miss Hot Cocoa, I don’t even know what to tell you. I had a hard enough time dealing with two Jewish families, but your situation sounds like I would have been pulling out my hair.

We got married Memorial Day weekend, so we went through the “is it during the Counting of the Omer or not?” ordeal. It had to be Memorial Day, because my entire family is so spread out, and it had to be on a Sunday because of the Jew thing, so everyone wanted it to be a 3-day weekend, and my husband, like yours, was graduating medical school and the only weekend he could actually show up was between graduation and starting residency, and of course who knew where he would be for residency, and since I’m in graduate school I’m staying here regardless (hello, long distance marriage!). For us, it wound up working out in the end, as all things do.

Can you push your wedding back further? I know it’s late, but we didn’t have our ceremony until 7:45pm. Is anything after 7 a “dark hour” or just 7? Could you do it at 8? Are you doing a cocktail hour with your wedding — what about doing that BEFORE the ceremony, so guests can arrive and mingle and eat some food, and then doing the ceremony? I once went to a Jewish wedding that did so that the ceremony would not start until after sundown (it was during the summer, so sundown was super late, and they knew a bunch of crotchy old Jews would not tolerate waiting that late for dinner).

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  2,077 posts, Buzzing bee

@julieulie: Thanks for the words of sympathy! We are living parallel lives — I’m in grad school, and Mr. HC will be starting his residency. We’ve been long distance forever. Thank goodness, since I’m in the dissertation phase, I can pretty much go anywhere next year.

 
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Miss Taffy (message)  3,104 posts, Sugar bee

Wow! I commend you & Mr. Hot Cocoa for finding a date despite all of the restrictions!!! I hope that you can come to a resolution for the ceremony time. :) Thanks for posting about the Chinese and Jewish traditions, it is really informative!

 
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julieulie (message)  266 posts, Helper bee

@Miss Hot Cocoa: That’s so nice that you have the ability to follow him wherever he may wind up! For my husband, since he went into a very competitive residency, we knew he wouldn’t have much say in where he was moving (fortunately for him, he actually wound up matching back in his hometown, so he’s really happy about that). Unfortunately for me, since I’m getting my Ph.D. in science, I’m not allowed to leave the lab, even while I’m in the dissertation phase — I have to write from the lab and maintain my cells. So, we joke that my husband is fulfilling every Jewish mother’s dream — to start to pay back on those $250K med school loans rather than us each having a condo in super expensive cities, he’s a married radiologist (in training)… living at home with his mommy! [I will never let him live it down.]

 
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carly7215

Ummm, yeah, I can’t tell you how much this post speaks to me! Thank goodness there is someone else out there who can relate to the family fortune teller issue.

My FI’s mom has a fortune teller. The whole concept was SO foreign to me (although I’m Asian, family has been in US for several generations). But I went along with it bc like you and Mr. HC - why would I want to start married life out with a curse! We had to give her several dates to work with and she had to get them “approved” by her fortune teller. Later I also got wind that she’s gone to the fortune teller many, many times since we started dating. After we got engaged, apparently she went to get *me* approved as well! (i.e to make sure I’m suitable to marry her son) Yeah, you can imagine how well that went over with my Americanized parents and Caucasian friends who thought the whole thing was just crazy.

It’s been tough balancing cultural differences and traditions. I feel for you and Mr. HC. But you both sound like such exceptional people with very realistic goals for the wedding date/time debacle. I know it will all figure itself out!

 
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Christiana

wow, I thought it was hard enough to work out a day when everyone can come, let alone finding a lucky day!!!

I’m actually glad I only had to work around US, UK and Australian school holidays!!

 
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Miss Blush (message)  93 posts, Worker bee

Miss HC- Congrats on finding a date!! We too went through a PICK A DATE ordeal. It was mostly timing on our part (schools, exams, etc) and family restrictions- we have many family members traveling from out of the country- and we wanted to accommodate their schedules as well.

But I totally understand what you went through- I could not start planning anything or do anything wedding related until we had a date- it was such a tease!

O and apparently our date is neither LUCKY nor FAIR!! Eek!

 
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deb

as a woman who was in the same situation as you when i was planning our wedding, i recommend you speak to your rabbi. i don’t know which denomination Mr. HC’s family is, or how liberal your rabbi is, but many reform rabbis will go ahead and begin the ceremony before sundown on saturday, as long as you are close to sundown. it’s really up to your rabbi (and obviously the shul rules, if you are getting married in a shul). Maybe that will help, if you could start your ceremony at 6:30 or something like that. that way it will be sundown by the time the ceremony ends!

 
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Mrs. Peony (message)  314 posts, Helper bee

Deja vu! Our ordeal wasn’t quite as bad, but the concept of picking a lucky date was foreign to me and drove me completely nuts. Mr P’s parents wanted us to push back the wedding an entire YEAR because there were no auspicious dates in 2008.

After an entire month of arguing (and poor Mr P being stuck in the middle), we ended up with a “Fair” date. Mr P’s mother was very, VERY upset and wouldn’t speak to him for a week. Sigh.

 
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Mrs. Cookie (message)  795 posts, Busy bee

Although we had didn’t have problems picking a date that was in harmony with our religious backgrounds — Mr. Cookie and I lead a pretty secular life as well — I can totally sympathize with parental influence of religious tradition that HAVE to be in your wedding. My mother was depressed for days because we couldn’t have a unity candle – no fires in the forest. I too ate my share of chocolate, and trust me it helped!!!!

 
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DCKate (message)  78 posts, Worker bee

Wow! You just made me feel a lot better about my current date-picking ordeal! (I’m sure that makes you feel better!) We’re working around affordability (prefer off-season or off-day) dates our venue of choice has available, and calendars of immediate family members (doesn’t help that two of my siblings are still in school). Oh, and we’d like to have it this decade.

I don’t know what I would do if we had to throw cultural considerations into that mix. Probably elope.

Good luck!

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  2,077 posts, Buzzing bee

@carly7215: LOL. Is my family related to your FILs? Because Mr. HC totally had to get fortuneteller approved, as well!

@Miss Blush: Don’t worry — the computer tung tsing’s no good, remember?! ;-)

@deb: Thanks for your advice. Our concern is that our more observant friends (a few of whom are in our wedding party) are going to have to violate shabbat for our wedding. ;-(

@Mrs. Peony: Chinese moms are amazing, aren’t they?! ;-) People think that Jewish moms are great at laying down the guilt, but they ain’t got nothing on FOB mamas.

@Mrs. Cookie: I stocked up today on sea salt caramels, peppermint bark, and chocolate raspberry sticks from Trader Joe’s. Bring on the crises. I’m ready.

 
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peachypear (message)  343 posts, Helper bee

Wow, I guess I can’t give my husband a hard time about his instance on our wedding date. It had to be in a different week than the birthday or anniversary of anyone in our families (okay, normal) and had to be during berry season (what?!?). When it turned out that the only date possible was the weekend of his hometown summer festival, we almost had to start over. Thankfully his sister talked some sense into him.

My Sis’s best friend had an astrologer pick the auspicious date for her Hindu wedding - which turned out to be the date of my sister’s PhD graduation ceremony. They were both so bummed, because they each had to miss the other’s special day. Thank goodness for photos ;)

Good luck!

 
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M&M

right there with you!

 
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CrazyC

Sigh… My dad is getting approval right now. I should know when I wake up tomorrow. We want a fall wedding, but my friend (and MOH) is getting married 9/20/09 which means it has to be October. Anything pass that and it’s too cold (and my mom will be sure to remind me of that all weekend!). 10/10 is the Marathon, 10/17 is booked at the hotel I want, which leaves 10/24 and anyone who is Chinese knows the meaning behind 2 and 4… Sigh…

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  2,077 posts, Buzzing bee

@peachypear: Berry season! That sounds random and yet scrumptious!

@CrazyC: Fingers crossed for you!

 
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von

I’m not sure what would pass for getting married to your family but for my buddhist aunties I know that the wedding ceremony consists of the chinese rituals. That includes the groom picking you up (after being tortured by your BMs at the gate) early in the morning and doing the chinese tea ceremony at his place then back to yours.

Does your family do that? If your FILs don’t mind, you could do that in the morning/day so that your family would be happy that you are ‘married’ and then do the Jewish ceremony after sundown so that your FILs will be happy.

Sry not sure if that’s how your family would swing but that Thick red book is giving many Chinese (part-chinese) couples balding scalps!

 
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Picasso30

Oy! And I thought I had trouble picking a date??? I sympathize, truly. I think our date changed like 5 times, due to somebody else having an issue with it…until I recently put my foot down and said “Enough!” Silly me, I had got too comfortable with a date we had previously settled on, March 7th after sundown (right before the time change, so it allowed for an earlier start time). But the “final”(?) change led us to an early Friday evening wedding (before sundown) on May 22nd. Our Rabbi is reform, and is ok with the Wedding day. But she would not officiate during the hours of shabbat, she was a stickler on that one.

 
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Mrs. Hot Cocoa, Boston/Los Angeles Age and Occupation: 31, JD/PhD Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 32, Medical Student Engagement Date: May 30, 2008 Wedding Date: March, 2009 Blogging Since: April, 2008 Venue: Ritz Carlton, Marina Del Rey About Me: I am a professional student by day and an amateur cupcake taster, bargain shopper, and wedding planner by night. I am obsessed with NPR, the Food Network, paper, dance shows, Anthropologie, post-structuralist theory, Weddingbee!, "The Office," and celebrity gossip. When not procrastinating from my dissertation, I spend time catering to Jellyby, our overly anxious shih tzu, and getting to know Mr. Hot Cocoa. We have only been dating for fifteen years, so it's like I'm in love with a stranger! From the East Coast, we are planning a Jewish-Chinese Extravaganza in L.A., where we both grew up.

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