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Mrs. Hot Cocoa, Boston/Los Angeles Age and Occupation: 31, JD/PhD Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 32, Medical Student Engagement Date: May 30, 2008 Wedding Date: March, 2009 Blogging Since: April, 2008 Venue: Ritz Carlton, Marina Del Rey About Me: I am a professional student by day and an amateur cupcake taster, bargain shopper, and wedding planner by night. I am obsessed with NPR, the Food Network, paper, dance shows, Anthropologie, post-structuralist theory, Weddingbee!, "The Office," and celebrity gossip. When not procrastinating from my dissertation, I spend time catering to Jellyby, our overly anxious shih tzu, and getting to know Mr. Hot Cocoa. We have only been dating for fifteen years, so it's like I'm in love with a stranger! From the East Coast, we are planning a Jewish-Chinese Extravaganza in L.A., where we both grew up.
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Choosing Judaism

November 12th, 2008 @ 12:58 pm by Mrs. Hot Cocoa

I’ve mentioned before that I’m in the process of converting to Judaism, and I’ve promised to write a longer post about my decision to convert and what the conversion process entails. So here goes a loooong two-part post…

The popular assumption is that anyone who converts to Judaism for marriage does so only after being pressured into it (usually by a naggy future mother-in-law, whom I’ll call “Estelle,” after George Costanza’s mother). “My darling baby boy. You can’t marry a shiksa!” kvetches Estelle. “Did you eat? Are you eating? Vy are you so thin? Is that shiksa not feeding you?” But Mr. HC’s family has never expressed any concern about his marrying “outside of the tribe” or put any pressure on me to go Jew. To the contrary, they’re to this day incredulous that I’d want to do such a thing!

What led me to convert was this: Judaism has played a very important role in Mr. HC’s life. His closest friends are those he made in Hebrew school, who bunked with him in the “dork tent” in Jewish summer camp, and who traveled with him to Israel. He wanted our future children to have these experiences as much as I wanted our children to celebrate their Chinese heritage. He hopes that our children will feel “at home” in both cultures. I, on the other hand, hope that our children will inhabit a corporate identity, such that they are not sometimes Jewish and sometimes Chinese, but rather always a union of both. But however our children choose to deal with the identity question, we know that we want them to be truly bicultural, to be Chinese and Jewish.

The Chinese part is easy: I’m as chinky as they come. FOP, yo (that’s “fresh off the plane” for those of you not hip to the immigrant child lingo). The Jewish part, however, is harder. Since Judaism is matrilineal, in order for our children to be Jewish, I’d have to be Jewish.

While that is my primary impetus for converting, I’ve always been drawn to Judaism. I grew up in a part of L.A. that had a sizeable Jewish population. I have probably sipped more Shirley Temples at bar and bat mitzvahs than many Jews-by-birth. In fact, here’s a picture of me leaving for my first bar mitzvah. No, young un’s, that is not a lamp shade around my ass; that was actually a trendy dress style back in the day. Also check out my sad attempt at teased bangs. And my super long faux pearl earrings from Claires. Clearly, I thought I was awesome.

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[Hot Cocoa, circa 1990, all ready to slow dance to Belinda Carlisle.]

Anyway, this is all to say that Judaism has never really felt foreign to me. Since Mr. HC and I started dating when I was sixteen (and I dated two Jewish boys before him!), I was always surrounded by Jewish culture, and have been struck by how the values of Judaism—the respect for one’s ancestors, the love of family, the focus on education—were so similar to those of my Chinese family.

Then in college I took a class on the Parable in the Western Tradition, which looked at influence of Jewish writings on modern literature. And I figured out that the approach of Judaism toward texts—the whole culture is focused around interpretation and debate of texts—was completely suited to my worldview. I’m a lawyer and a literature scholar— could there be any religion more appropriate?!

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To say that I felt an affinity with Judaism, though, is not to say that I didn’t have some doubts. Quite often, the thing that is difficult for those who convert is the taking on of a minority consciousness and identity. Objectively speaking, it’s pretty weird to want to become a part of a group that has been marginalized, shunned, and persecuted since time immemorial.

That aspect of it was not so hard for me. As a Chinese-American and an immigrant, I have always had a minority, diasporic consciousness and identity. This is not to say that being Jewish is like being any other minority. Indeed, one of the tough questions I’ve been working out is what it means to be both Jewish and Chinese and American—how these identities interact, complicate, challenge, and enrich one another. But it is to say that I don’t expect to wake up the day after my conversion and be inhabiting a marginalized status that I never understood before.

What was— is—difficult for me, though, is the God thing. While my family is Buddhist, I’ve always been agnostic—not bold enough to be atheist, but too humble to insist that no higher entity exists. Mr. HC is agnostic, as are most of our Jewish friends and family. But it’s one thing to be agnostic when one is born into a religion, and quite another to embrace a monotheistic religion while struggling with the concept of one God.

I’m still struggling. Mightily. But here’s what makes me think Judaism is a right fit for me: the rabbis with whom I’m studying are not only okay with my struggling, they welcome it—encourage it. My sponsoring rabbi (*more about this tomorrow, when I write about the conversion process) encourages me to be open to the concept of holiness, is careful not to characterize God as “He” or to anthropomorphize God, and allows me to ask the big, difficult, head-hurting questions. I don’t think I would be converting if Judaism were a religion that insists on blind faith. It just wouldn’t make sense to me if a group of people who have suffered a Holocaust can have an unvexed relationship with God.

Do you and your fiance/e come from different religious or cultural backgrounds? Are you considering converting? How are you melding your respective religions or cultures into a family identity?

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Miss Dumpling (message)  722 posts, Busy bee

Im on the edge of my seat waiting for the next post about the conversion process. Im totally thinking of Charlotte from SATC and wondering if the Rabbi slammed the door on you three times! Favorite part: when she decorates her Christmas tree in July and tells Harry that she doesn’t want to be a meat eating vegetarian. I’m gonna stop talking now……This post was really interesting.

 
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julieulie (message)  266 posts, Helper bee

My husband and I are both conservative Jewish, but we are struggling to coming to terms with each other’s sense of Judaism. I come from an interfaith household — my mother is Jewish, my father is Catholic, and I wound up the most religious of any of them. My husband is a “purebread” Jew, but never went to synagogue after his bar mitzvah. While I was fine with this, and did not want to force my religion on him (until we had children, of course, because they will be attending Hebrew school), it has posed more problems than I thought. His mother cooks just one time a year, and that is for Rosh Hashanah when she has the family over. I, however, ALWAYS go to High Holiday services, and will not give this up because it means a lot to me, since my lab schedule means that I do not generally have time to attend weekly services. Since not one single person in my husband’s family belongs to a synagogue, nobody has tickets for me to attend services within a 100-mile radius of where his mother lives, so I declined the invitation to attend the family dinner, so that I could go to services here. Little did I realize, WWIII broke out over this. I was suddenly the this horrible person for putting religion before family and nobody wanted anything to do with me, my husband shouldn’t have married me, etc etc. Of course, like every Jewish boy facing the pressure, my husband caved and sided with his mother (the wimp), and now I’m the outcast and nobody from his family will talk to me. Oy vey, the guilt!

 
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Jo

I’m so excited about this post! I’ve always been drawn to Judaism more than any other religion. I grew up in a Methodist church which leaned heavily on Jewish traditions - in fact, outside of the church I grew up in, I am the only protestant person I know who attended seder dinners at my own church every year. I could probably tell you every Old Testament story from memory, but I’d be hard-pressed to remember more than two NT parables accurately.

The older I get, the more turned off by religion in general I’ve become. I’m not interested in answering those unanswerable questions. I suppose that makes me agnostic, since I’m not eager to claim anything, deity-wise. Meanwhile, my husband is militantly atheist.

Even though it’s pretty far off in my future, I struggle with whether to raise my kids in a church - any church, or temple, etc. I know it’s made a huge difference in my life, better and worse, but I also don’t want to force my kids into something they don’t believe, the way my parents did. Still, I loved the rituals and familiarity…

Anyway, I’m eager to read more of your conversion story! I know that the blind faith issue is one that I’ve always struggled with in Christianity, and probably why I find Judaism so utterly appealing. I was raised to think that Christianity shouldn’t be about blind faith either, but what it should be is not what it’s actually become.

 
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I applaud your decision– and thank you for sharing how you’re approaching it even while continuing to question various aspects of Judaism.

I also grew up in an area where most of my friends were Jewish and so I was much more familiar with those traditions than with those of other religions. My family celebrates Christmas, but we’re also ablend of buddhist/agnostic. FI’s family is not religious either, and he and I share very similar spiritual values, so neither of us will be converting.

As a hapa kid (half Chinese and half white), I can identify with what you say about being bicultural– it’s not one or the other, but both, all the time. Luckily, it seems that society is looking at mixed heritage individuals as a true blend. It always annoyed me when I was only given a “check one ethnicity” box, so I was “other” for the longest time. Now you can check two or more boxes– which is awesome! Yay for progress! :-)

 
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misscaitiecait

Great post - really looking forward to the continuation tomorrow. I married into a Jewish family this past summer and am starting the conversion process next year. I’m more amazed at what I learn every single day and I’m more than excited to officially become a part of such a wonderful religion. The merging of families and having your children celebrate in both cultures is amazing and I’m totally 100% in agreement with it.

 
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KSW (message)  74 posts, Worker bee

Wow, I love this post. My Fiance is Jewish too. At this point we’ve put the issue on the back burner, he is a passover/Hanukkah Jew, while I love the cultural aspects of celebrating Easter/ Christmas. If religion ever becomes more important in his life, I would have to seriously think about converting. Can’t wait to hear about the conversion process.

 
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karen

Interesting post. My husband is Catholic and like you I am also Chinese. My family was never religious in any fashion. Buddhism is probably the closest association. Before we got married, the question did come up but ultimately I decided not to convert because I would be doing it for the wrong reasons. The same as changing my name. I think when we do start a family, catholicism will be introduced and left up to the individuals to make that decision when they are old enough.

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  2,077 posts, Buzzing bee

@Miss Dumpling: I love love love the Charlotte conversion episodes!

@julieulie: Thanks for sharing your story — I am sorry to hear that so much friction has been created. Two of the rabbis I spoke with said that it’s often the case that when the non-Jewish partner begins the conversion process, there is often tension in the relationship over the fact that s/he now is more observant than the Jewish partner. It’s interesting that that tension would arise even in a household where both partners are Jewish (and that a MIL would be unhappy b/c her DIL wants to be more observant). How is it resolving itself? Are you going to dinner next year?

@misscaitiecait: That’s great — I hope you enjoy the conversion process. Weirdly enough, I kind of love it!

 
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Oh I can’t wait to hear more… so interesting!
I’m getting married next year to a Jewish man (I’m Methodist) - but I feel like I enjoy the jewish traditions even more than he does! At this point, we plan to introduce our future children to both religions.

And on a related note - does anyone know of any good resources (blogs, websites) for interfaith weddings? I’m struggling to find a compromise with some aspects of the ceremony.

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  2,077 posts, Buzzing bee

@LMO: That’s wonderful! Not a website, but I think you might like Anita Diamant’s _The New Jewish Wedding_, which has a nice section on interfaith weddings with a Jewish twist. One website that I looked at is: http://www.interfaithfamily.com/. I’d love to see others that come your way!

 
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julieulie (message)  266 posts, Helper bee

@Miss Hot Cocoa: Our situation will actually kind of resolve itself next year for Rosh Hashanah. Since my husband will be moving back to his hometown with his whole family (they all live in the same city) next year for the rest of his residency, but I’m staying here, and he’s taking the car, it won’t be convenient for me to get to him (I live in D.C. so I don’t need a car when we don’t have the funds for a second one right now, and I can’t fathom that anyone would expect me to rent a car to drive up for it… it’s one thing to expect me to come up when he is making the trip for a few days, but to expect me to rent a car or fly up on my own when I don’t have a car is a different story entirely). So, for once, the long distance marriage to the rescue! I get to go to high holiday services here by myself (which is fine and normal, since my husband never comes anyway), and he’ll do dinner with his family, and nobody can hate me for it! Presuming, of course, they forgive me in the first place, for not coming this year. :)

 
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srk6268

congrats! and welcome to the tribe! just like any religion, there are extremists whose behavior and beliefs is far beyond the ideals of most jewish people. however, i LOVE being jewish and hope you’ll feel the same way.

 
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frenchbulldog (message)  7,730 posts, Bee Keeper

@Miss Dumpling: LOL! Me too :)

 
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Meganleigh

This is a great post! I really like reading/hearing about other people’s decisions about religion and things like that. Personally, I grew up in the United Methodist church and was heavily involved (going to camp every summer, volunteering for three years at camp then working full-time as a counselor, even going to the state-wide Annual Conference two years!) up until college. Around the time I started college, I’d already been debating all sorts of ideas about church and religion and faith. The first weekend at school, I went to an all-faith church with a group of people in my dorm. The experience was odd and I didn’t really feel comfortable there. Then I got busy with schoolwork and with rehearsals (theatre-major!) and didn’t have time to go anymore. Now I only go when I’m back home with the exception of one Easter when my grandparents came down with the sole purpose of taking me to church! My FH and I don’t have any super-strong beliefs when it comes to religion (he’s Lutheren but doesn’t go and hasn’t gone since he was about 14) but both agree we wouldn’t be who we are today if we didn’t have that in our lives growing up. Because of that, we agreed our future kids would go to church and then be allowed to make whatever decision they feel best in relation to church and beliefs when they get older.

 
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Mrs. Cookie (message)  795 posts, Busy bee

This is a great post HC! Thank you for sharing and please keep us updated about the conversion process!

 
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Miss Champagne (message)  1,334 posts, Bumble bee

Belinda Carlisle… awesome. I give you so much respect for choosing what feels right to you.

 
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Hi Miss Hot Cocoa! I recently finished my conversion to Judaism in June. My sponsor Rabbi was conservative, however I am in the process of changing to a Reform Synagogue. So I have a little background in both movements, in regards to conversion process. If you ever need someone to run ideas, concerns or questions by, feel free to contact me. Mazel Tov on your decision, and I hope that it is an enlightening journey for you and FH!

 
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Miss Hot Cocoa (message)  2,077 posts, Buzzing bee

@Picasso30: Thanks! Mazel tov to you. How was your experience? Did you come to Judaism because of a relationship or for other reasons?

 
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@Miss Hot Cocoa: I had been interested in Judaism for quite some time before I met my FH. When I met, and fell in love with, him…it all came together and made sense. Especially after being submersed into the Jewish community and his family, I fell into love with Judaism. So that is what led to my choice. The process of the conversion was both joyous and sad, enlightening and confusing, humbling and frustrating. Weird huh? It was definitely a roller coaster ride of emotions and discovery. This caught me off guard, because I assumed it would be more ordinary and easy. Although, I do hear that the Reform conversion process is easier than the conservative approach. I guess the best way to describe the process was “a Mystical Transformation”.

 
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Choosing Judaism - Part II » Weddingbee » The Wedding Blog

[...] Earlier, I wrote about my decision to convert to Judaism. Today, I thought I’d share a bit about what the process entails, for those of you who are interested in conversion*, who are intellectually curious, or who are just eager to relive those hilarious episodes of “Sex in the City” in which Charlotte goes through the conversion process. This is another loooong post. Sorry! [...]

 

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Mrs. Hot Cocoa, Boston/Los Angeles Age and Occupation: 31, JD/PhD Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 32, Medical Student Engagement Date: May 30, 2008 Wedding Date: March, 2009 Blogging Since: April, 2008 Venue: Ritz Carlton, Marina Del Rey About Me: I am a professional student by day and an amateur cupcake taster, bargain shopper, and wedding planner by night. I am obsessed with NPR, the Food Network, paper, dance shows, Anthropologie, post-structuralist theory, Weddingbee!, "The Office," and celebrity gossip. When not procrastinating from my dissertation, I spend time catering to Jellyby, our overly anxious shih tzu, and getting to know Mr. Hot Cocoa. We have only been dating for fifteen years, so it's like I'm in love with a stranger! From the East Coast, we are planning a Jewish-Chinese Extravaganza in L.A., where we both grew up.

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