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Mrs. Cheese, Knoxville Age and Occupation: 29, Engineering Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, CAD Designer Engagement Date: July 31, 2008 Wedding Date: May, 2009 Blogging Since: October 16, 2008 Venue: Our home and the two acres it sits on About Me: I’m an emotional girl who loves sentimental things, parenthetical asides, and trying to do things herself. I can cook, sew, am a whiz at planning, terrible at delegating, and totally in love with my fiancé (who will be my second husband but first love of the rest of my life). For our home/ garden/ DIY wedding, we’ll be moonlighting as interior designers, home improvers, and gardeners with the help of our fabulous friends and neighbors. We can’t wait to be married, and are learning how fun getting married can be.
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Financial Maturity and Merging

December 5th, 2008 @ 12:24 pm by Mrs. Cheese

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I’ve always done an okay job of flying by the seat of my pants when it comes to money. I make a pretty good salary (can’t complain), have increased my income pretty steadily through my 20’s, and got through college on scholarships and tuition reimbursement. I wouldn’t say that I was in control of my finances, though. More than once (okay, pretty often) I paid utility bills when I received a shut-off notice. My retirement account was funded, but I didn’t have much cash in savings. I generally paid my credit cards off every month, but every so often they would get away from me. And I spent entirely too much money on… well, who knows. I just spent it, and *poof* it was gone. I figured that as long as I could pay my bills, have some fun, and get myself out of a jam if I needed to (break a lease to move, handle car repairs, hop a flight home to New Mexico if something happened), I was fine. For those of you who may be wondering how this worked in my first marriage, I’ll just say that he was just like me. We flew by the seat of our pants together. You can imagine the messes we made and cleaned up along the way.

Then I met my fiance.

At the ripe old age of 24 (and single!), he bought a house. He was frustrated at “throwing money away on rent every month” so he looked at many, many houses before choosing the one he lived in when I met him (and he made a great choice, choosing solid “bones” over aesthetics). He paid cash for everything, had one credit card for big purchases, and saved a significant amount of his money to undertake big renovations on his house.

Suddenly, I felt like a financial child. Granted, I had a decent retirement account and he didn’t, but he seemed to have it together, and I didn’t. So, last January I decided that it was time to grow up financially. I started paying bills on schedule, every paycheck. I withdrew cash to carry as spending money — and then had to buy a new wallet because my old one only held cards. I made a list of everything I owed and started paying it off, bit by bit. I can’t say that I’ve been completely successful at everything, but at least I KNOW where I’m screwing up. I’ve also figured out that, in finances, I value freedom while he values stability.

All of this “growing up” was hugely beneficial when we moved in together — in fact, bought a house together — in April because I knew enough about my spending habits and financial situation to avoid too much defensiveness. I figured we’d sit down and come up with a new plan, but it’s actually been more of an evolution of plans. He kept his accounts and payment cycles, I kept mine, and we divided up the bills. I helped out with paying for renovations on the old house, we both chipped in where we could on the new one, and we decided who paid for food, gas, and pet stuff based on who had money at the time. It was okay, but not ideal. He’s used to spending what he has in his wallet, then being broke until he gets paid again. I hate to run out of money, so I put off making big purchases in favor of having the freedom to grab a cup of coffee or lunch with a girlfriend whenever I want. So, he’d spend what he had and then I’d cover until he got paid again. Or, I’d set aside enough money for my own expenses, but because I’d spend it on joint purchases, I’d run out — and use a credit card for incidentals, which added up quickly. Neither of us felt like we could spend any money without checking with the other, but we would anyway (me on a credit card, which I’d justify because I’d pay it off with my next paycheck; he’d spend it and then feel bad… but still spend it).

We’re trying something new now. I pay most of our bills and do most of the saving because I do everything online and it’s easier. He deposits enough to pay his bills and gets the rest in cash. So, I’m spending all of my paycheck except for a small cushion on savings, debt reduction, and bills. We’re dividing up his weekly pocket money into three categories: house improvements (1/3), household (1/3) and free money (1/6 each). He takes the house improvement amount plus his free money because he’s the one going to Lowe’s/ Home Depot. I take the household amount plus my free money because I do the grocery shopping/ toiletry replacement/ pet supply purchasing. We’ll see how it goes.

I’m always interested to hear details about how people handle their finances because it’s so rarely discussed, yet it’s an important part of becoming a couple. I will admit that my view of my financial responsibilities changed once we got engaged. Before that, my primary responsibility was to myself and my own financial health, so while I still chipped in to help out if I needed to, I kept track of it all. After our betrothal,* I stopped keeping track, believing that my decisions should be what’s best for our family, not necessarily myself.

Did you make changes in how you handle your finances because of your fiance or engagement? How DO you handle your money — together, separately, or a blend? Also, are you interested in links to articles and other resources on couples and finances? I have a ton and I can do a follow-up post if you’re interested.

*Don’t you just love breaking out an archaic word every so often?

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Emily

Oh my god, this is what my fiance and went through and just (sort of) managed to resolve. I make more so felt like I had to pay for everything at the beginning of the month, but then by the end I would run out of money and run up my credit card bill. We had to sit down and do a lot of math (with a lot of yelling and apologizing in between) and come up with a strict system. It works for us, though I imagine it might not for more financially smart/stable people.

 
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Mariam

Wow! I am so glad you brought this up. Finances is what I have been dreading the most about the big change of marriage. I have been thinking about it every night. Do I close my personal account and share one with him? I get automatic paycheck deposit but he has his own business so he has control of all of his income. How do we split the bills? Who pays for groceries? Will I have money left to spend on anything for myself? I am 7.5 months away and have been losing sleep over this!!

 
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Newport Nuptials (message)  1,230 posts, Bumble bee

We have been talking about this a lot this week, we are recently engagesd and want to come up with a savings plan for 1009. Thanks for sharing your advice, I love articles related to this! It is so important, but rarely talked about.

 
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Alicia

My fiance and I do a budget every month using Excel. It’s really easy once you get it all set up. We automatically put in our paychecks (we both get paid on the first, which makes this a bit easier) and bills we have to pay every month. We have a grocery budget and eat-out (we call it “dating”) budget.

Then we sit down and figure out what each of us wants to spend. Does one of us need a hair-cut? An oil change? A new pair of shoes? We budget for each item. It usually ends up changing through the month, but we always know exactly what we need, and we rarely make purchases that aren’t in our budget.

We have three accounts right now - a joint account that all of our money goes into. A money market savings account. And a wedding account. We have NO credit cards.

We’ve managed to save up $1000 a month this way, which is about 1/4 of our income. We’ve saved up $10,000 for our wedding!

I’m a bit advocate for joint accounts. You’re married, so there shouldn’t be his money and her money. But the biggest thing is to talk about it, talk talk talk until you know exactly what’s going down with the money.

 
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Lauren

This one is a tough topic. Before we were married, we did he dealt with his own bills and I dealt with mine and divided up household things as best we could (we were living together) so I did the rent but then he coverered cable, electric, food, going out, car and car insurance. I did make more than him and was in less debt than him so it made sense. We are on opposite sides of the spectrum financial wise so it has been hard to make him see that for big purchases we should save up the cash and not put it on a credit card while also saving for a home and our future. After lots of fighting it was decided that the finances would be my job after the wedding since I am much better with keeping track of everything. We are married about a month now and not everything is fully combined yet but I really enjoy taking it on. At some point you will be on the same page just takes some time and adjusting on both people’s parts.

 
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Hmmm...

Marriage is about sharing everything– at least that is how I was raised and my fiancé agrees. We’ve opened a joint savings account as of right now and when we take the big plunge, we’ll be closing our personal checking accounts and opening a joint checking account. Right now we generally share in each other’s spending and saving habits, but it’s not for everyone. It takes a lot of discipline and being willing to think of money not as “mine” but “ours.”

By the way, I’m with you. I think my fiancé does an excellent job with his finances- I’m the one that tends to purchase now and pay later—he’s a cash man too!

 
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Shanna

Thanks for sharing. It is my January goal to work out how we will do our finances after the betrothal ;). I’m wondering how you split up what is for “us” versus “me”. Sometimes the line is gray. I also think that women spend more on upkeep and appearances (makeup, haircuts, clothes etc.) so I’m worried that all my “me” money will go towards that (I’m really not high maintanence at all but some of the little things we do adds up). I’m worried I won’t have much wiggle room for the fun stuff. He, on the other hand, should have a lot more fun money after he picks up his upkeep items, shampoo and a tube of toothpaste.

 
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Kirst (message)  39 posts, Newbee

We are planning on visiting a financial planner when he gets a more permanent job (he’s a student now) … I know a lot of people try to figure this stuff out themselves, but when you’re “money stupid” like I am, I think spending a bit of money for professional help is a good investment.

 
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amy

We have a similar system we’ve been using for about a year. Carrying cash has made a huge difference for us, because we actually realize how much we’re spending each week. I don’t know if we’ll always stick with it, but it helped because it has made us both aware of our spending habits and lifestyle.

 
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Jenny Louwheeze

@Anonymous: Great idea. Like financial marriage counseling!

 
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Mary

We both added each other onto our accounts that we had before marriage. We have a YEARLY budget excel spreadsheet which includes tabs for my income, his income, debts and assets. We have a spreadsheet for 2007, 2008, 2009. I will probably create 2010 in january.

We’re both on the same page so we have no qualms about paying for this or that.

 
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Lauren

We’ve been living together for 4 years and became engaged 6 months ago…for the last 4 years we have had a joint credit card. All of the utilities, groceries, pet food/vet bills go on there and we split it down the middle at the end of the month. We write two checks for rent each month, straight down the middle. And it works great for us. I ebb and flow with how much I spend on clothes, hair, shoes, etc every month and I want to keep this freedom…but once we’re married part of me does want to share every penny. Its a tough situation. He doesn’t want to have a joint checking account when we’re married. But what happens when we have kids? We definitely need to hammer this out.

 
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I just want to provide a word of advice for the posters who say they will be closing their personal accounts when they open the joint ones: please don’t do this! Even if you only leave one penny in your personal accounts, you should keep them open because they improve your credit rating. The longer you have accounts they more they help your score, so don’t cancel the accounts you’ve had for a long time.

 
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aylee

We have talked about our finances before we got engaged. I didn’t have debt and he did so he made sure he paid off his debt before asking me to marry him. It helps a lot having a clean slate.

We will open a joint checking and credit card account for our common expenses; and a savings account for joint savings. The common expenses (mortgage, utility bills, insurance, groceries, etc) plus savings (for emergencies, big expenses, vacations together) are divided between the 2 of us based on our individual income ratios (i.e. 50/50 if we earn the same amount).

We will keep our own checking accounts and our old credit card accounts for other expenses such as individual shopping, daily allowances (for lunch, commute, etc), other individual expenses such as gym memberships, payments to our own credit card accounts, etc.

 
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Starlit

My husband and I have a joint account as well as our own personal accounts. What we do is have all paychecks deposited straight into our joint which we use to pay all the bills (rent, gas, dog, food….) we then take the leftover and put 1/3 into savings, and 1/3 into each of our joint accounts. That money is for us to use for whatever we want. This way when I buy a pair of $$ shoes or he goes on a trip to vegas with his brothers the other doesn’t feel cheated b/c we saved up our personal money for this! It also works great when you need to buy each other gifts! Family gifts or trips come out of the joint account!

Even if we make different pay rates we feel this is more fair because we BOTH work full-time and hard. Pulling the “but I make X amount more than you ” card isn’t a great way to be in a marriage.

 
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Starlit

DH also came into the marriage with a large amount of old credit card debt while I had none. We are paying this off with our Joint checking/savings….I knew about it going into the marriage so I feel that it is now “our” debt. BUT we know if either of us gets in debt after everything is paid off then it has to be paid off by that person out of their personal $$!

Shouldn’t happen since we only have 1 credit card that is for family emergencies!

 
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MegK (message)  164 posts, Blushing bee

Mint.com! It’s awesome. We’ve combined our finances entirely and Mint allows you to keep track of all your CCs, checking, savings, retirement accounts etc in one place! It’s really nifty. Then you get a list of all your transactions and actually can categorize them. So you see how much you’re spending on food, shopping etc. It’s amazing how useful/productive it is to have everything in one place.

 
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ErinMarieMack

I always love your posts! You really tackle some great issues. We are both going to have our credit cards paid off before we get married (I’ll be done in January), are paying cash for the wedding and have decided to live in my house instead of his after the wedding because the mortgage is lower (by 1/2) so we can create an emergency fund of 1 year’s salary and get our retirement savings together. It’s so fun being a “grown up” ;)

 
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LatteLove (message)  5,587 posts, Bee Keeper

I’m going to be the working one married to a grad student (for three more years!)

We will combine our money and pay bills first, my students loans and have VERY little spending money at first.

He has quiet a bit saved up from an inheritance from his great-grandparents, so we are buying a little house right away because the mortgage is the same price as rent in southern cali.

I have been building up my credit since the first day I could get a credit card, so I think we are in good shape! FI likes to make the big decisions and I like to organize/pay the bills. we work together on most everything else, but it will be weird to ’share money’ when the time comes!

 
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Francine

We have everything separate. I have my credit cards, savings accounts, IRA, 401K etc and so does he. We divide the bills and keep what’s left to distribute as each individual sees fit. We’re married but we would never say we are like one person, so why would we treat our money that way?

 
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Mrs. Cheese, Knoxville Age and Occupation: 29, Engineering Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, CAD Designer Engagement Date: July 31, 2008 Wedding Date: May, 2009 Blogging Since: October 16, 2008 Venue: Our home and the two acres it sits on About Me: I’m an emotional girl who loves sentimental things, parenthetical asides, and trying to do things herself. I can cook, sew, am a whiz at planning, terrible at delegating, and totally in love with my fiancé (who will be my second husband but first love of the rest of my life). For our home/ garden/ DIY wedding, we’ll be moonlighting as interior designers, home improvers, and gardeners with the help of our fabulous friends and neighbors. We can’t wait to be married, and are learning how fun getting married can be.

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