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Mrs. Cookie, Denver Age and Occupation: 25, Nonprofit Fundraiser/Theatre Designer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, Financial Analyst Engagement Date: September 2007 Wedding Date: September 2008 Blogging Since: May 8, 2008 Venue: Ten Mile Station About Me: With a degree in Theatre I never realized that planning a wedding was a lot like Theatre Management, until I started planning my own. I am a coffee addict, especially Starbucks' Grande Mochas, yummy! I love to cook (especially chocolate chip cookies for my honey), travel to exotic places, and be creative. As a couple, Mr. Cookie and I are extremely practical, down to earth, and children at heart. We live in a cozy abode with our adorable Pomeranian, and love to play board games and watch movies into the evening.
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Happy Tax Day!

April 15th, 2009 @ 9:20 am by Mrs. Cookie

For those readers in the U.S., Happy TAX DAY!

In my post titled, “What is Different about Marriage“, I briefly mentioned the “Marriage Penalty” and some readers asked if Mr. Cookie could do a guest blog about it. So, in honor of the day, I asked him to do just that. With an MBA in Finance and a job as a Financial Analyst, Mr. Cookie is the financial brain of the Cookie clan. Please note that Mr. Cookie is not a CPA, and you should consult a tax professional about your particular financial situation. Okay, without further ado, Mr. Cookie:

Hi, hive! Mrs. Cookie asked me to write-up a post about the “Marriage Penalty”. I hope this post will give you a glimpse into your taxes after you’re married.

Everybody loves marriage, especially the U.S. Government. Now, why does the government like marriage? The answer is simple: money. Wait a minute; isn’t marriage supposed to save you money? The answer is, in most cases, no.

Certainly living together saves you money. Less rent (or mortgage), less utilities, and less food are all great ways to save money when you combine your households. It may even come with less time spent on housework (at least for one of the lucky cohabiters ;)). But does marriage save you money? Let’s take a look at the tax structure, shall we?

Let’s say you are a low-income earner and make the maximum adjusted gross income (after exemptions and deductions) of the first 2008 tax year tier. You’d be making $8,025 per year and taxed on 10% of that income, which is $802.50. And say your potential spouse makes the same amount, thereby doubling your income to $16,050. How does this affect your taxes? Let’s take a look at the table. It just so happens that the top of the first tier for married couples is $16,050, the same as if you were to double the single tier, which means the same taxes. No problem right? Well, no problem if you both don’t have deductions, which we’ll talk about a little later.

Now let’s take a look at the next tier. The top of the second single tier is $32,550, and for married couples $65,100. Still double; so far, so good. Third tier: single - $78,850, married - $131,450. Wait a minute! If you double $78,850 it should give you $157,700, not $131,450. Where did that extra $26,250 of taxable income go? Well that, my friends, is where the marriage penalty begins. Instead of taxing you at the bargain rate of 25% on the entire third tier income for singles and doubling it, it decreases that spread by $26,250. Which means you’re paying the low, low rate of 28% on $26,250 ($7,350) instead of the 25% rate ($6,562.50), or 3% more ($787.50). If you had both earned identical amounts and stayed single, you’d be better off. And it gets worse the more you make. The fourth tier for single is $164,550, and for couples $200,300—a $35,750 spread—and so on, as you move up the ladder.

Not fair? You bet your sweet bippy it’s not fair. But hold on to your hats, we’re not done with this crazy ride yet. Remember when I spoke of deductions? Well, here’s the skinny on that.

Typically, you will get the larger of the standard deduction set by the government, or your itemized deductions. Generally, if you don’t have a mortgage or a business, you don’t need to worry about itemized deductions. However, if you do own a home: beware! In 2008, your itemized deduction per person is $5,450. Luckily, it stays the same if you’re married and each person gets their standard deduction and, when combined, equals $10,900. That’s $10,900 of non-taxable income we’re talking about here. So let’s say one of you lucky brides or grooms-to-be owns a residence. The mortgage interest, property taxes, and other deductible expenses would be used to offset your income. Let’s say the bride owns the home and has $15,000 in deductible expenses ($15,000 less income she’s taxed on). The groom-to-be, who is cohabiting with the bride-to-be, doesn’t own a residence and gets his standard deduction of $5,450. Added together ($15,000 plus $5,450), this gives you $20,450 of income that is not taxable. Sweet! But here comes the sour: when you get married, say goodbye to the groom’s $5,450 deduction. Flush… down the drain. As a married couple, because you hypothetically share resources, you also share your itemized deductions. Your deduction has now been reduced to the $15,000 plus the minor deductions (usually state income tax) the groom has. Hence, you now pay taxes on an additional $5,450 which at the lowest tier, 10%, is $545 more!

What a bum deal. You get married, and then you get bumped into a higher tax tier and get deductions taken away! :(

Now, there are some situations where it is beneficial, such as when you have one very high earner and one that earns little-to-none. This widens the taxable tiers, and includes more of the higher income earner’s wages in a lower bracket. For those of you eventually planning to stay home to raise the kids, you will eventually get some of this advantage. Of course, you still have the deduction issue. Now, why not file as married filing separately? No luck. They’ve already altered your tiers to the married levels and, in some cases, you can’t take as many deductions or credits.

So what does this all mean? Well, anecdotally, love comes with sacrifice. And to still marry someone knowing the financial burden of additional taxes tacked on must mean that you really do love that person! ;)

Happy tax day, you crazy newlyweds!

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70 Responses to “Happy Tax Day!”

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kandi (message)  28 posts, Newbee

Thank you for this post! Unfortunately, we will be bumped into a higher tier next year. :\

 
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Gerbera (message)  823 posts, Busy bee

Mr. Cookie,
That was waaay too many #’s for this early in the morning! Yikes!
This is why FI & I have an accountant! Yeesh!
However, I thank you for enlightening us. It’s always fun when Misters blog!

 
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Miss Bruschetta (message)  5,553 posts, Bee Keeper

Whoa. Early and numbers and head cold don’t mix. Mr. Bruschetta’ll probably enjoy reading this, though, because he’s much more of a math person than me — thanks for sharing, Mr. Cookie!

 
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Miss Crab Cake (message)  818 posts, Busy bee

Wow… never knew any of that! Yikes!

 
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Miss Bear Cub (message)  1,350 posts, Bumble bee

So - given that having kids is a HUGE tax break, does the government want us to procreate like little bunnies?

 
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Miss Gloss (message)  1,053 posts, Bumble bee

Ugh. Depressing! We will get bumped into a very unfortunate tax bracket next year.

 
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BeachBrideT (message)  1,056 posts, Bumble bee

Wow!!!!!! GREAT EXPLANATION MR. COOKIE!!! I’ve always heard about the marriage tax break, usually followed quickly by married couples saying “Nope, we owed more taxes after we got married.” And now I see why.

 
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ggsb (message)  842 posts, Busy bee

Great way of wording it Mr. Cookie! We won’t have the joy of this penalty until next year, but the former accountant in me ran the numbers this year….and YUCK! Just Yuck! Enough that my FI actually asked if we could just not turn in the marriage certificate to make it “legal” ;)

 
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Yach

Great explanation. I knew about the ‘marriage penalty’ but never knew exactly how much. This article totally simplified things. =)

 
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Team Buchanan (message)  14 posts, Newbee

Thanks Mr. Cookie!! Great explaination! It’s a bummer… but good to be in the know. :)

 
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Stefani

Actually, it is my understanding that one household may deduct mortgage interest on two homes. So it doesn’t actually get worse if both people own a house. My fiance and I each have a house and will be getting deductions on both.

 
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ejs4y8
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ejs4y8 (message)  6,922 posts, Bee Keeper

Ugh!!!! My Fi and I are both engineers and will get bumped into new tax brackets once married. We’re screwed in our 20’s already! 28% is a chunk of my hard-earned dough! booooo. Thanks for the super handy information, though! You explained it nicely! I hope my MBA provides me with as much information!

 
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Miss Pinot Grigio
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Miss Pinot Grigio (message)  735 posts, Busy bee

My head is spinning from all the numbers!! Yikes. Thanks for breaking it down for us.

 
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ktdid23
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ktdid23 (message)  482 posts, Helper bee

I sort of have no idea how, but we got back about $800 this year (after getting married last Nov). No clue why, but I’m not complaining!!

 
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Miss Cheese (message)  647 posts, Busy bee

This is a GREAT post… thanks for doing this, Cookies!

 
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mary-alice-me (message)  1,870 posts, Buzzing bee

My FI was just asking about filing together next year… and asking about the marriage penalty! I’ve sent him the link to read your article. Thanks!

 
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MissCamera (message)  671 posts, Busy bee

Apparently in this case we’re lucky we’re poor. Our taxes will remain the same since we’re in a lower bracket. Thanks!

 
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Miss D'orsay (message)  1,293 posts, Bumble bee

I’m overwhelmed by all these numbers but now kinda glad that Mr.D probably won’t be a permanent resident by Secember. Suck on that US government. :)

 
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Miss D'orsay (message)  1,293 posts, Bumble bee

I mean December…what is wrong with me?

 
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LatteLove (message)  4,094 posts, Honey bee

Fabulous explanation Mr. Cookie!!

Thank goodness for my being a recent grad, and my fiance a grad student making almost no income…we are a LONG way off from this tax penalty!

 
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cj2009 (message)  306 posts, Helper bee

this is very informative. thank you

 
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Colleen

So marriage penalty is a total myth until you’re making combined 130k, which is quite a lot more than the average family.

A lot of sympathy here from a low earner.

 
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Miss Beagle (message)  1,051 posts, Bumble bee

Thanks for the informative post, Mr. Cookie. Luckily we won’t be dealing with all that joint-filing-tax confusion until next year. :)

 
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yelli

Finally, an explanation of this that I can actually wrap my brain around. Thank you Cookies!

 
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Miss Perfume (message)  1,632 posts, Bumble bee

Grrr. My last filing as a single woman!!

 
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Miss Mary Jane
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Miss Mary Jane (message)  1,516 posts, Bumble bee

Thanks for this post, Mr. Cookie! Even though it was kind of depressing. ;)

 
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salex19 (message)  162 posts, Blushing bee

We filed jointly for the first time this year, and I think we were one of the exceptions Mr. Cookie talked about. DH makes a bit of money, and I, lowly non-profit museum worker, makes a lot less.

We ended up getting quite a lofty tax return. Its helping us to continue paying off that wedding!

 
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Miss Mascara (message)  771 posts, Busy bee

Thank you, Mr. Cookie for a fantastic explanation of this! I never understood the marriage penalty until now. And now I’m sort of sad that I understand it since we will be penalized next year!

 
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Mrs. DG (message)  4,227 posts, Honey bee

Thank you, Mr. Cookie. I hadn’t really thought about how things would change. I think we’ll be kissing our delightful refunds goodbye… but you know what? Paying taxes is patriotic, so I’m happy to do it!

 
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Mrs. Pinot Noir (message)  772 posts, Busy bee

Thanks Mr. Cookie! This is so interesting and annoying too!

 
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Miss Quiche (message)  2,175 posts, Buzzing bee

Wow, it is complicated & frustrating!! :)

Married people should NOT have to pay more taxes just because they’re married. President Bush enacted tax law changes in 2003 that eased the tax burden on married couples who both work and file jointly - by closing the gap between brackets for married vs. singles. This stays in effect until 2010, but an educated guess would assume that President Obama favors the return of the marriage penalty tax.

In my opinion, everyone should be taxed individually, then it doesn’t matter how much each person makes, whether one is a stay-at-home parent. etc.

Read more about it here:http://www.wisebread.com/the-marriage-penalty-of-taxes-in-america-how-does-it-affect-you

Thanks Mr. Cookie!!!

 
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SpaceC06 (message)  417 posts, Helper bee

Sigh….we will be in a higher tax bracket as well. It’s kind of a good motivator to quite work and go back to school full time ;) Our adjusted W-2’s are crazy and we actually have a whole bunch being with held from our checks, more so than normal…maybe we will get some of it back :P

 
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Mrs. Penguin (message)  2,148 posts, Buzzing bee

I tried to look up a clear explanation of this forEVER (20 minutes) earlier this month and couldn’t find one. Thank you for this (albeit yucky) plain english explanation!!! While it probably makes a bunch of people sad, at least I could finally read EXACTLY what people are talking about when they reference the marriage penalty… neither Mr. Peng nor I are finance-y kind of people. Great post! Makes me want to become a housewife! Kidding ;)

I don’t know if it’s just me, but things seemed to have gotten messier since we’ve gotten married… I guess it’s just that glut of combining this and that (we don’t even share bank accounts save for our one joint acct for our mortgage) but even still… it’s kind of been a headache. You’re right Mr. C — you def. gotta be in LOVE if you’re gonna deal with this marriage penalty crap!

 
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Miss Duckling (message)  1,349 posts, Bumble bee

Such an informative post! Thank-you so much Cookie!

 
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Tax chick

Although it’s not terrifically popular, the marriage “penalty” actually makes a lot of sense. In theory, Congress writes tax laws to collect revenue while (1) doing as little as possible to upset their constituents (the “don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax the guy behind the tree” idea), and/or (2) taxing people who won’t (dramatically) change their behavior in response to the tax. Taxing married people in “high” brackets differently than their unmarried counterparts fits with principle (2). It may not be a crowd pleaser, but darn few people are going to alter their behavior as a result!

To prove this point, most people get married at a totally irrational time of the year, from a tax perspective–in the summer. Since tax filing status (i.e., married/single) is determined as of the end of the taxable year, if we were all leading perfectly tax-efficient lives, we’d see a huge number of weddings on Jan. 1. But, of course, there are other reasons why people choose their wedding dates!

 
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bellenga (message)  4,628 posts, Honey bee

Not only is the marriage tax making a comeback, but you can’t take it with you either.

Obama is putting back in place the death tax too.

My pinkie is up today..sipping tea.

 
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Anita

@Colleen - just because some of us fortunate enough to be high earners, still doesn’t mean it’s fair that we get penalized for it. There are several other things that we get penalized for - the most annoying one being our inability to deduct student loan interest. Many of us spent a fortune on our graduate education which is what allowed us to get that higher income, and it’s incredibly frustrating that we’re unable to deduct the interest on that. Don’t judge, please.

 
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Mrs. Penguin (message)  2,148 posts, Buzzing bee

@Colleen: I think about how I sit here at my desk 16 hours a day, 5 days a week (and 10 hours on the weekend) to earn my money and um… I feel like that was pretty mean.

 
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Lorenna

This is REALLY helpful information! Thanks Cookies!

 
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No to the marriage penalty

@Anita: I hear you. Especially if you live in a state with a high cost of living, so you get high salaries to go with it. With no house, no kids, and unfortunately, no ability to deduct student loan interest, we are effectively SCREWED. Especially when there is still a huge balance on those loans to be paid.

You try to make a better life for yourself, earn a semi decent living, and then see a huge chunk of it get taken away. Sometimes you wonder, why even bother?

And if you move to a state where it’s cheaper to live, there is also the corresponding reduction in your salary. Really, it’s not worth it (to me.)

And then there’s still state income taxes.

 
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Jessica

Thanks for this post! We’re both pretty bummed about the fact that our combined income means we’ll be subject to the highest bracket, and the proposed increase, which we wouldn’t have been when we were single. Despite our income, we’re feeling pretty pinched, given the high cost of living in our state, our huge student loans and the fact that we’re helping support both of our families.

 
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frenchbulldog (message)  6,063 posts, Bee Keeper

Thank you Cookies! This is a great post :)

 
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bellenga (message)  4,628 posts, Honey bee

Again, very good post..Thanks to the Cookies!

 
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Suzanno

@Colleen - Both my husband and I invested a lot in our educations, and worked hard for a long time, in order to earn what we do. I’m sure I don’t expect you to feel sorry for our tax situation - we consider ourselves lucky to have this particular problem - but in return, don’t expect us to feel sorry for people who don’t bother to get jobs that provide health insurance, or don’t bother to work hard enough to qualify for any kind of decent job at all.

I do think that it’s crazy of the government to penalize the more productive members of their society in favor of the less productive. Give me back the extra $8000 we owe on our taxes, and I promise to spend it exclusively on dinners out, weekends away, and in retail stores - things that will help bolster employment in sectors of our economy where people are losing jobs left and right. Instead, you take the money away from me and pass it out in unemployment. Very smart.

 
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Mrs. Candy Corn (message)  516 posts, Busy bee

Tax day is by no means my favorite day of the year, but I still consider myself lucky considering the fact that married same-sex couples are not even recognized by the federal government and have to pretend their finances and their futures aren’t intertwined. Much more of a bum deal than anything I can imagine having to deal with.

 
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FutureMrsMorgan (message)  442 posts, Helper bee

Such a great post!! And Mr Cookie is hilarious.

 
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Miss Taffy (message)  2,598 posts, Sugar bee

Great Post, Mr. Cookie!

 
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Stefani

@No to the marriage penalty: @No to the marriage penalty: Is the reason you can no longer deduct the interest on the student loans because your combined income is greater than a certain amount? I was just doing some research and noticed that it said:

A single filer whose Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) is $70,000 or greater is not eligible to receive the student loan interest deduction. The same is true for a married couple filing a joint return with an AGI of $145,000 or greater.

So it seems similar rules apply for being married vs. single. And if your future husband/wife actually makes less than you do, you might have been made eligible because of marriage.

 
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Anita

@Stefani. I think No to the Marriage Penalty and I were just lamenting the fact that once you make above a certain amount (regardless of if you’re single or married), you can no longer deduct student loan interest. Personally, I was replying to Colleen who seems to think that everything is all peachy keen and wonderful when one has income above a certain amount. Not so much in my situation.

 
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chicagowife (message)  381 posts, Helper bee

@colleen. Most of us who have high incomes worked darn hard to get where we are. Hard working, productive people are good for society — they create wealth and jobs for everyone (high and low earners). You may not feel sorry for us, but you also shouldn’t be happy we’re treated unfairly.

@doctorgirl. Paying unfairly high taxes isn’t patriotic, it’s mandatory. (How can something in whihc you have no choice show your virtue?) If you don’t pay your unfairly high taxes, you go to jail. Sadly, our government doesn’t realize that punishing people for their success, and even their marriage, is morally wrong AND bad for our economy.

 
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chicagowife (message)  381 posts, Helper bee

By the way, thank you cookies — I really appreciate you bringing this to light!!!

 
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asdionis (message)  66 posts, Worker bee

Whew, thanks Cookies for explaining this so clearly!

 
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erinj
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erinj (message)  16 posts, Newbee

I guess the good thing about FH & me not making very much is we didn’t move up in the tax bracket, but I probably wouldn’t complain if we did cause then we’d make more money!

 
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Crash (message)  378 posts, Helper bee

Thanks for this information! I was under the silly impression that filing separately would suddenly get rid of the marriage penalty. But it will still be a couple years before it affects us!

 
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@Suzanno: “don’t expect us to feel sorry for people who don’t bother to get jobs that provide health insurance, or don’t bother to work hard enough to qualify for any kind of decent job at all.”

Wow. Really? Because our combined income is LESS THAN HALF of that 130K per year (and we are doing considerably better than many people I know), which is why I hadn’t really heard much about this marriage penalty. But I’ve been feeling grateful because I have a job at all, when so many folks I know have been laid off recently (are those the people who “don’t bother”?).

My DH and I both work and go to grad school, so it’s not like we’re unschooled slackers, here. I’m amazed at your assumption that people who don’t make 6 figures “don’t bother” and don’t have health care coverage.

Two generations ago, wealthy people would frame their income tax returns because it was a sign they were well-off enough to pay those taxes. Perhaps it’s time to bring back that sense of pride in earning enough to provide for your family _and_ for your country…

 
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No to the marriage penalty

@Stefani:
The other thing we discovered was to try to file as married filing separate, since one of our incomes would have qualified but not both together, and you’re not allowed to take the deduction if you file as married filing separate.

 
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Stefani

@No to the marriage penalty: I understand now. It just so happened that your situation w/ student loan tax deductions was made worse by marriage whereas (I would think) other people might find themselves in the exact same situation as before… didn’t qualify before as a single, don’t qualify now as a married person.

 
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MArko

I feel that everyone is entitled to their beliefs, and completely understand why most of the comments have been negative towards the marriage penalty. But having been on both sides of the equation, I feel like I have to speak up for us left-wing crazies ;)

I grew up poor, with very very hard-working parents. I put myself through top-tier college and graduate schools, accruing a ridiculous amount of student loan debt along the way. I made almost nothing for the first decade of my career, and am now gratefully in a rather comfortable the tax bracket.

There are times when I do feel resentful for the high taxes that I pay. After all, I skipped meals, scrubbed toilets, and worked my ass off to get here. Higher taxes mean that I still have to scrimp and save, but I’m sooooo lucky compared to many others, and I’m glad to help!

 
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Mrs. DG (message)  4,227 posts, Honey bee

Chicagowife- We have one of the lowest tax rates in the developed world. They go to fund the fire folks who comes to put the fires out, the police folks who keep you safe, the bus that gets you to and from work, and the roads you drive. I happily pay them!

And, since tax rates and withholding have actually gone down under Obama and have not yet gone up for people making $250,000, I have a hard time getting outraged about my taxes. The tax increase that will be happening for the over $250,000 folks in two years will take us to the 39% rate under Bill Clinton… and LOWER than what it was under conservative archetype Ronald Regan.

 
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@notinOhio: Providing that I’m a teacher in a low-paying state with no hope of ever earning that much money, despite a graduate degree, I’m glad that I’m not the only one who took Suzanno’s comment as rubbing salt into a wound.

 
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@Suzanno: “don’t expect us to feel sorry for people who don’t bother to get jobs that provide health insurance, or don’t bother to work hard enough to qualify for any kind of decent job at all”…

Usually, I wouldn’t post something just because a comment rubbed me the wrong way, but I feel that this particular comment, in the light of today’s economic situation, was harsh, uncalled for and callous. Many people have been laid off from their jobs and are now struggling and are unable to provide food for their families, let alone healthcare. It’s happening to some of the hardest working Americans– who pay their share of taxes just like you.

 
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Kim

What about the 50% of Americans who hardly pay any taxes? It’s the top tier that pays over 90% of the taxes in this country. If everyone lived within their means we wouldn’t be having this banking crisis right now.

A Flat Tax is the way to go.

 
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chicagowife (message)  381 posts, Helper bee

@doctorgirl. We obviously have very different beliefs. Taxes may go to some fine causes, but they also go to many unworthy causes. (Pork much? Corruption much? Crooked politicians much? You have to remember, I live in Chicago, where we have the highest taxes in the nation and also the most corrupt wasteful government imaginable. These things are not unconnected.) If all we funded was police, firemen, and roads I would be a happy camper. Sadly, now we fund far more than this — failed banks, failed industries, people who made irresponsible choices and think that hard-working responsible tax-payers should pay for their mistakes.

We obviously have very different beliefs and I respect your point of view, but I doubt we’re going to convince each other.

My main point is that punishing success is a way to discourage success. Rewarding failure is a way to encourage bad choices. Punishing marriage (which is the subject of the post) is irrational and unfair.

 
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darilinda (message)  138 posts, Blushing bee

wow! this got ugly for no reason!!! From what I’m understanding of Mr. Cookie’s explanation, though, I believe my FI and I will stay in the same tax bracket as we were before. I just can’t figure out if that’s good or bad?!?!?! I believe that we still qualify for deducting our student loan interest

@chicagowife, I am trying to figure out where you got that Chicago pays the highest taxes? I live in NY and our state tax alone is higher than IL (NY ranks 2nd, IL ranks 30th). You may be correct in terms of city taxes, but I just don’t know where you got the information from? Just curious…

I think we can/should agree that higher tax brackets does not equal harder workers/smarter workers. I could’ve been a lot of other things, but chose to teach because it was a calling, not because I didn’t bother to get a higher paying job. We’ve made the career choices that we’ve made and I don’t think anyone deserves to be cut down for that. I don’t think your tax bracket means that you’ve failed to make a good choice or that you’re not successful, Chicagowife. It means you’ve made a different choice for your life, but does not necessarily mean you’re successful or do not make bad choices. Also, I tend to think that this is more the banking industry’s fault and Wall Street’s fault than individuals. It took a whole lot of individuals funded by banks and Wall Street to create the housing market burst and a piss poor economic situation. If those banks hadn’t given so many people making poor decisions money, we’d be in a much better position. Greed triumphed for everyone involved, though, and that’s something we as a country need to escape from and yet don’t seem to be!!!!

Would we all like to pay fewer taxes? More than likely. Will it happen? Probably not. Taxes are a necessary evil, used for worthy causes and not so worthy causes.

Thanks, Cookie (tax)Monsters!

 
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Miss Labrador (message)  1,324 posts, Bumble bee

Very fascinating! I guess Mr. Lab & I have nothing to worry about for the time being. When I enter the reporting field I’m expecting no more than $30,000 before taxes and Mr. Lab will make no more than $60,000 as a PTA. I think that having lived the way we have for the past 4 years, we may be thrilled to have these tax problems one day (at least initially and then it’ll probably get really old and we’ll start complaining about it!). lol

Btw, we all know everyone has different views on politics (I’m Libertarian if you must know). How about we argue on who’s right & wrong about taxes on an appropriate board (like your favorite media outlet’s website) instead of on a wedding site? I would just hate to see things get ugly on here…

 
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darilinda (message)  138 posts, Blushing bee

It seems too late!!! Crazy, isn’t it? WHY MUST TAXES BE SO COMPLEX??? I liked weddingbee before all of this. J/k

 
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chicagowife (message)  381 posts, Helper bee

Thanks for your comments Darlinda. I think it’s wonderful that you’re a teacher — thank goodness we have good and smart people passing on knowledge to our next generation! As for our differing views, I’m just going to accept that we see things a bit differently, and that’s ok. Thanks for sharing your viewpoint. Oh and just to answer your question, it is the Cook County (Chicago area) sales tax of 10.25% that pushes us to the top, although I think NYC might be highest pretty soon with their new rate hikes.

I didn’t mean to make it ugly — just wanted to express my viewpoint, a viewpoint that I think sometimes people are afraid to express because most people our age are pretty liberal. I hope that we can all respect each other’s viewpoints even if we don’t agree.

So that things don’t escalate, I’m not going to read this thread anymore — so don’t feel ignored, anybody, I just think I’ve expressed what I think and further responses from me wouldn’t really add to the discussion. I’m totally open to private message however.

I know that people our age are generally much more liberal than myself, and I completely respect that plenty of reasonable and good people oppose my view. I hope that others will accord me the same assumption of good faith. :)

Miss Labrador thanks for your comment!

 
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Terry Neese

Thank you for your great explanation of the marriage penalty. Our tax code must be moved into the 21st century and the disparities you noted must be fixed. It is no longer practical for many of us to live an Ozzie and Harriet lifestyle, where one spouse works and the other stays home. In the Family Policy Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis we believe that at a minimum married couples should be allowed to file jointly or as singles, so that workers with similar incomes pay comparable taxes. We also believe that we should allow stay-at-home spouses who save for retirement or purchase health insurance or day care services to receive just as much tax relief as people who obtain these benefits at work. Public policies and institutions have not kept pace with the changing role of women in the workforce. As a result, women and their families are penalized when they enter the labor market. The solution to these problems is not policies that favor women, but rather policies that increase the flexibility and fairness of the system — benefitting both men and women, and their families.

 
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MightySapphire
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MightySapphire (message)  2,608 posts, Sugar bee

That SUCKS. Seriously. That sucks. Boo.

 


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