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Mrs. Joey, Seattle Age and Occupation: 28, Project Administrator for Public Health NGO Fiance's Age and Occupation: 30, High School History Teacher Engagement Date: June 24, 2008 Wedding Date: August 2009 Venue: Eastside Catholic Chapel and Lake Union Cafe About Me: I'm a Seattle girl through and through except for the fact that I don't drink coffee. I love my job most of the time because I get to travel and work with brilliant people who are trying to prevent Malaria. I love DIY projects of all sorts, cooking, and watching sports. I'd wear anything at Anthropologie and could spend all day on Etsy. I love to travel but shouldn't because I always get myself into unbelievable situations!
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Trying to find FOCCUS

April 23rd, 2009 @ 6:20 pm by Mrs. Joey

Like Ms. Mascara and Mrs. Dumpling, various bees before me have blogged about doing Pre-Cana and taking the FOCCUS test. Like most men I know, Mr. Joey was not really interested in any type of pre-marital counseling. He’s willing to spill the beans on our checking accounts with a financial planner but not discuss our relationship with counselor or other certified person. I totally understand. I’m not really comfortable talking about my feelings in front of a stranger, either.

Since our chapel doesn’t offer marriage prep classes, I set about trying to find somewhere else to take them. Engaged Encounter was out. Mr. Joey can’t afford to lose his entire weekend at this point in the school year. Doing it in the summer would be fine, but our officiant said that that would be cutting it too close. I called some local Catholic Churches but had no luck either. Classes had already started, or they only allowed parishioners to participate. I looked into private non-Catholic counseling, but the price tag was hefty and Mr. Joey wasn’t willing to shell out that kind of money for something he didn’t think we needed.

I was about to give up and force Mr. Joey into taking the Engaged Encounter when my sister suggested I look at Seattle University. I had planned to get married in their chapel but the date that was available didn’t work with our schedule, and I had to give it up. I wasn’t sure they’d let us take Pre-Cana there since we weren’t getting married in their chapel, but thought I’d try anyway.

I’m so glad I made that call. Kathy in the Campus Ministry department was happy to conduct our Pre-Cana and set us up with the FOCCUS test. She said she knew our priest and as long as I had attend Seattle U, it was fine. Lucky for me, I did go to Seattle U for a few years, and went to its prep school. On top of that, when I emailed Kathy to confirm the price of the sessions, she happily told me they were free. FREE!? Awesome! Seattle University can expect a small donation or gift from Mr. and Mrs. Joey in the future.

We had our first session yesterday, and I’m soooo glad we ended up at Seattle University. I think because their campus ministry is pretty liberal and it’s a college, Kathy was much easier to talk to. She didn’t flinch when we told her that we “co-habitate” or that the main reason we’re getting married in a Catholic Church was to please our parents. She was just so pleased that we had it together. I think most of the couples she sees are in their early to mid-twenties and haven’t dated for too long. She said it was rare to get a couple in who had a tested and stable work/home/relationship balance. Over 4 years together and almost 3 in a shared home — we have it down. Thankfully, the test said the same thing. The Joeys are a perfect fit.

If you did Pre-Cana or other religious pre-marital counseling, did you feel comfortable being yourself and answering questions in a way you knew were not in line with your church (e.g. living together, birth control)?

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16 Responses to “Trying to find FOCCUS”

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i just got back from engaged encounter and it was really awesome. i highly suggest doing it as well! they also offer scholarships. there couples who were weeks away from their weddings- they even told me a story of a couple who went one week before!

 
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pren79 (message)  401 posts, Helper bee

My home parish offers another option named “marriage for life,” which doesn’t cost very much and it was actually pretty interesting. It basically consists of 2 Sat morning seminars with 44 other couples. Together with FOCCUS, we also got bunch of worksheets that provided interesting topic so discussion. My home parish & the marriage of life counselors are very open minded and are used to couples having diverse views so although I personally hold certain conservative views my FH is completely non-religious and he felt very comfortable. The lady who prepped us at my home parish did say that there’s no point having a catholic wedding just to please ones’ parents. I do agree w/ her but it may be another can of worms for different ppl.

 
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phruphru (message)  180 posts, Blushing bee

We also did our pre Cana with a priest at a campus ministry — best decision ever. And when in the course of planning your wedding do you ever hear the word “free”? Double awesome.

 
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Miss Crab Cake (message)  818 posts, Busy bee

Ours is next weekend and I’m starting to get nervous.

 
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LatteLove (message)  4,094 posts, Honey bee

I’m in my early twenties, haven’t been in a relationship for very long (2 yrs-ish by wedding date) and haven’t cohabitated, but I’m still planning, preparing for and expecting a healthy lifelong marriage–I think the success of a marriage almost entirely depends on the type of people getting married and what their view of marriage is!

I’m glad you guys are compatible, though, and that the class is going well. i think it’s helpful no matter how well a couple thinks they know eachother.

 
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phruphru (message)  180 posts, Blushing bee

Re: what Lattelove said, the other thing to remember is that it’s impossible to fail the FOCCUS test; you don’t do better if you’ve been together longer or if you live together.

 
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Krissykinz (message)  2 posts, Wannabee

We just took the FOCCUS last night. Instead of Pre-Cana, my parish prefers us to meet with a sponsor couple. We will meet with them approximately five times and we’ll discuss everything that you would during Pre-Cana. I think I like that option better because it seems more personal. I’m looking forward to going over the results of the FOCCUS.

That is awesome that it was free for you!

 
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My fiance and I just did an Engaged Encounter weekend in the Washington, DC area. I was incredibly impressed by how open and realistic it was. There were questions intended for couples with radically different backgrounds, including people who have lived together, couples where one or more partner isn’t Catholic, and couples where one or more partner was getting married for the second time. The questions weren’t there to make anyone feel guilty or conform with Catholic teaching–just to force couples to discuss issues that might cause significant problems later if they aren’t resolved now.

The best part of the weekend was spending so much time talking to my fiance about our hopes and fears for married life. The questions were meant to be answered between my fiance and me and no one else. Because the weekend encourages partners communicating rather than fostering group discussion, there wasn’t any forum for anyone to condemn us or express moral outrage at the decisions we’ve made. Engaged Encounter weekends are entirely meant for you and future spouse. I would really highly recommend them.

Incidentally, the cost wasn’t bad at all considering the retreat is an all-inclusive weekend getaway. There are also scholarships for people with difficulty paying.

 
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Miss Mascara (message)  771 posts, Busy bee

FREE? I’m jealous.
We went into it a little uneasy about what they’d say about us cohabitating. We weren’t going to lie of course, but we weren’t going to give up that info unless they asked. They did, we said yes, and the priest moved on. Thankfully he never went into the speech about how couples who cohabitate have a higher chance of divorce or however that speech goes.

 
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Miss Joey (message)  829 posts, Busy bee

@phruphru: Actually, a couple of friends of mine were told they “failed” the focus test. It said they were really the best fit for each other but they got married anyway and it’s been working fine. My sister and her husband also didn’t pass but they are complete opposites and I think that’s what makes their marriage.

 
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Miss Joey (message)  829 posts, Busy bee

Oh, I mean they were told they weren’t the best fit for each other - personality wise.

 
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phruphru (message)  180 posts, Blushing bee

@Miss Joey — WOW! Can you imagine planning your wedding and having some test tell you your personalities aren’t compatible? I’d be so freaked out!

 
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phruphru (message)  180 posts, Blushing bee

Addendum: I’d be freaked out and then I’d do exactly as your friends did: get married anyway.

 
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My fiance and I took the FOCUS test and did pre-cana. It was a really great experience and I would highly recommend it.

We joked around with our priest if people “fail” the test, and he said no, they should never tell people they failed the test or that they are not right for each other, so that seems strange. It is not a personality test; it is intended to see if couples are on the same page with a lot of things - finances, children, etc.

The test was interesting, different questions, but it did bring out a couple questions we had not discussed, and we had dated for over four years at that point. I think it is great way to gauge expectations and what not.

 
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Like a bunch of people here, we had an awesome experience with Engaged Encounter, and I recommend it to everyone. I do think, though, that it wouldn’t be very successful at all if both couples weren’t 100% into it. If Mr. Joey’s school schedule would cause him to be stressed/bitter/unfocused during the weekend, I wouldn’t suggest it.

Our regular Pre-Cana stuff with the priest that’s marrying us has been less than stellar. Part of it is that he just doesn’t seem organized. We went over some of our FOCUS results one day, and he assured us we’d keep at it, but never brought it up again. I usually get the feeling he doesn’t have any plan and just lectures to us about whatever he thinks about when we come in, repeating the same points in multiple sessions. We’ve had to listen to him explain why co-habitating is wrong multiple times. Once he even went on to lecture me about how there are many, many priests who wouldn’t even consider marrying a couple that lived together… Argh!

 
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Miss Joey (message)  829 posts, Busy bee

@MsTeacherLady: That sucks! Our priest gave us a mini lecture on living together and then suggested we live in different homes for the last few months of our engagement. After that I was worried about who would do our marriage prep and what kind of lectures would follow. So far, it’s been minimal.

 


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