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Mrs. Mary Jane, Grand Forks, ND Age and Occupation: 26, Instructional Designer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Lead Programmer Engagement Date: February 28, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2009 Venue: City Hall About Me: I'm a career woman on the surface and a homemaker at heart. I love fast cars and high heels, and my favorite food is cake. Mr. Mary Jane and I are both full-time employees and students, and we just bought our first house. We love to curl up on the couch with buttery popcorn, Sour Patch Kids, and the latest Netflix arrival -- whenever we can get a break from everyday life.
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I’ve been reading the comments many of you have posted about your own weddings, and it seems like a lot of you are supportive — and perhaps a little envious — of Mr. MJ’s and my decision to keep our wedding incredibly small. While a lot of you are super-excited about your large weddings (yay!), some of you are feeling obligated to make your wedding big and all-inclusive. That’s very understandable. Today I want to talk about how Mr. Mary Jane and I are dealing with those pressures.

One thing that often plays a central role in weddings is religion. After all, marriage is not just a matter of legality. For the majority of people (of many cultures), marriage is a sacred bond before God. An important part of many non-secular wedding celebrations is to share them with those you love. A place of worship full of supportive loved ones strengthens the bond of the newlyweds, and the two families can celebrate their joining together. Mr. Mary Jane and I are not religious. Even if we had chosen to have a larger wedding, the ceremony would not have taken place in a church. We’re fortunate to have families who are understanding of this. Our parents and grandparents are not upset about our choice to have a secular ceremony, so we’re “off the hook” in that regard.

Along the same lines of religion is culture. I won’t ramble on about something I know very little about, but I do know that in some cultures, weddings are big events. There is no getting around it. Mr. Mary Jane and I are both your average boring Midwestern white people, so we don’t have any extra cultural issues to consider.

The other big issue I see many couples facing is that of the ever-growing pressures of “How-can-you-not-invite ______?”. We all have many people who care about us. Sadly, when weddings are involved, those people can sometimes get pushy and/or jealous. I’ve seen many posts on the boards revolving around guest list drama: how to invite one coworker but not another, whether to allow “and guests” who are strangers to the bride and groom, etc. Moms and dads can often get caught up in the excitement of the event too. They treat it as their own wedding, wanting to invite their friends and family - people the couple has never even met! This is something we really wanted to avoid, and here’s how we did it.

Our backgrounds helped a lot.
Mr. Mary Jane’s parents got married in their local city hall with two witnesses in attendance. Afterward, they had cake at a relative’s house with a few additional guests. FMIL Jane wore a cute pink dress with a stylish hat. My own parents got married at city hall as well. Momma Jane wore a white tea-length linen dress she found on sale at a department store. They had about 20 guests and treated them to a luncheon and cake to celebrate. She says she wishes her guest list had been smaller; her mother invited a few people who weren’t originally in the plan. Both my mom and FMIL have said they had no regrets about their modest nuptials, so they are understanding and supportive of our desire to follow in their footsteps.

We took an all-or-nothing approach.
We did not pick and choose people to attend based on their importance in our lives. We didn’t want to end up in a situation where one aunt or uncle was invited and another was not. We’re humble people and would hate to start any family feuds by picking favorites. If we had a traditional wedding, we’d have invited everyone equally. Aunts, uncles, cousins, friends, coworkers. Since we’re not having a wedding, we aren’t inviting any of those people. Just parents and siblings. Originally we talked about inviting grandparents too, but some of our grandparents would show up with aunts or uncles, and then we’re getting in to that territory again. So just parents and siblings. I have no siblings, and my future brothers-in-law are both younger, so we won’t have any siblings’ significant others or children to invite.

Are we feeling guilty about this? Yes and no. We are excited that we’re getting the wedding we want without all the fuss and stress that comes with a large event. We’re proud of ourselves for sticking to our guns and we’re looking forward to sharing this intimate moment with only those who are closest to us. We are, however, feeling pretty guilty about not inviting the grandparents. Mr. Mary Jane’s live nearby, so it’d be easy for them to come. Mine don’t, but they’ve been very good to me throughout my life and it’s definitely not easy for me to say, “nope, I’m not inviting them to our wedding.” Mr. Mary Jane and I deal with curious would-be guests in a couple of ways. First off, we don’t tell people when we’re getting married. We say “in the fall” or “later this year”. We also answer their marriage-related inquiries with, “We’re not going to have a wedding,” or “We’re going to make it legal at city hall.” These vague-but-honest approaches have been well-accepted thus far. It’s not a secret that we’re getting married, but people know we’re not having a wedding.


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I also like to step back and think about what a wedding invitation means for people. It means they’re invited to celebrate in the creation of a new family, yes. But what else? Well, for all of my family and several of my friends, it means either thousands spent on air travel and hotels and rental cars, or multiple days road-tripping it in to the heart of the good ol’ Red River Valley (which is not, exactly, at the top of everyone’s list as a vacation destination). For everyone else, it means they lose a Saturday sitting in a humid room with people they don’t know. As a bonus, they get to buy us a gift. (And of COURSE they have fun and celebrate and be merry. I love celebrating friends’ weddings. But I’m looking at the purely business sense of it here - don’t hate on me!) So I try not to feel too badly about not inviting others to share in our day. We see and spend time with most of my future in-laws several times a year. And my family and friends all live in areas that are more interesting (and warmer) to visit than North Dakota, so we fully intend to spend time with them in the future (on their own turf) instead of asking them to join us here.

I want to be Mr. Mary Jane’s wife; I want us to be a family. But our wedding is not going to be the most important day of our lives, nor would it be the best time to enjoy the company of our friends and loved ones. Instead, we’re going to “get it done” and move on, planning to spend some quality time with those “would-have-been” wedding guests in the future.

Did you have to make some tough decisions involving your guest list? How are you handling this controversial part of wedding planning?

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34 Responses to “Trimming - No - SLASHING the Guest List”

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Jean

FH and I definitely made a conscious decision to keep it small. One of the factors that helped was to purposely choose a venue that could not (comfortably) hold more than 100. So it has given us a “non-biased” excuse. Second we are making an effort not to invite entire families that we haven’t seen or spoken to in ages. additionally, we may be cutting off coworkers.

Coworkers is a tough one…but they will understand. Sometimes I think if my coworker left my job tomorrow to work elsewhere, would I still invite them? Would I still keep in touch. If the answer is yes, then invite. When I asked myself that question, I could only answer “yes” to one of my coworkers. It was definitely not enough to justify adding a whole table of coworkers to have that one “yes” employee” there…It’s different for everyone, but these days, people will understand.

The economy, being what it is, some people actual are hoping not to get invited so they dont have to shell out gift money…just my 2 cents.

 
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markyk
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markyk (message)  172 posts, Blushing bee

I appreciate your honestly. I am latina so small weddings are just not understood! It poses some difficulties for sure. My “controversial” decision was to not invite 2nd and 3rd cousins. Boy what a scandal! However, with my FI’s parent’s both having MANY siblings. we still can’t get the guest list below 160. I am not complaining, I see all these family members pretty regularly as we are close-knit. I do feel a twinge guilty that I excluded the extended extended family as I see them too but not as often.

 
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lala

i really wanted a small wedding–but FI decided we would be sad if certain people weren’t there. But I definitely get where you’re coming from. Just curious, you have mentioned that you were married before…did that have any impact on your decision?

 
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Chela429 (message)  833 posts, Busy bee

Your great at being able to do that. I am had a similar situation to Markyk, and I invited everyone! 340 people. Yes! 340! but they are my family and I love them and I couldn’t bear the thought of having to pick and choose amongst them. We are both Catholic so city hall was never an option for us.

Good luck, your big “small” day is going to be great!

 
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Jean

I am half puerto rican myself. With my mom being the youngest of 10 brothers and sisters it is just impossible to invite them all. Instead I asked her to choose a small few that are close and frequently visit. Of course my mom then suggested I invite my godmother…who I haven’t seen in years! I couldn’t even tell you if she is still living. But I had to draw the line and explain that it’s not just inviting one person here and there..it because 2, 4 or 5 people when you have to invite significant others and such..and it costs $$. My mom was then able to understand and deferred to my guest list choices.

 
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Miss Chocolate Chip
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Miss Chocolate Chip (message)  195 posts, Blushing bee

I’m trying to have the best of both worlds: A small (under 50 guest list) with all the traditional wedding extravaganzas! I think its great you can keep it small and not get too wrapped up in “one day”. Honestly, having a courthouse wedding has crossed my mind several times, but I knew deep down I would regret it. Is there any small part of you that thinks you may regret this decision too?

 
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Miss Chicken
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Miss Chicken (message)  222 posts, Helper bee

I think at the end of the day, its up to you and your FH. If a huge wedding is what makes you tick, that’s fabulous, if a small intimate gathering is what you crave, beautiful.

We chose a venue that will hold no more than 80 people, so not only will that keep our numbers down, but we also have a very strict budget.

I look forward to all things wedding, and getting a dress and decorating etc…but at the same time I know this isn’t the most important day of my life. Its up there, but I’m pretty sure the day I give birth, it’ll be trumped. Therefore, we are able to keep in check what is important to us.

I feel slightly conflicted at times about not inviting some of my family members, but my mum has 9 siblings, clearly they all cannot come! hah…

I’m not even gonna go into the whole registry biz hah…it gets out of control.

Anyway, I think your ‘wedding de jour’ will be fantastic, because at the end of the day, its about what you and the FH want :)

 
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Melissa

We had 30 people - handful of friends, parents, sibs, and grandparents. His grandmother did ask to bring an aunt so she wouldn’t have to travel alone, and I said yes, but it bugged me (in the end, she didn’t anyway).

I LOVED our small wedding. It was SO much fun. I saw everyone who attended without having to try, our budget went so much further, and it cut out so much of the drama (esp by having a clear line of demarcation). It may help that I don’t live near my family, so if there was drama I wasn’t around, plus, by not living close by, they’re not in our lives as much.

For us, it was just that a small wedding suited us better. Once we started inviting extended family, it would just get so big so quick (we each have one parent that is one of 6 sibs), and a lot of those people would be people I’m just not close with.

Of course, we’re only 5 months post-wedding, but not for a moment have I regreted my small wedding. In fact, I’m much more of an advocate for doing so, not because I think they suit everyone, but just because I can’t imagine a better wedding than my own! (but totally NOT because I’m biased ;)

 
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markyk
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markyk (message)  172 posts, Blushing bee

@Miss Chocolate Chip: I too think I would regret a city hall wedding if only for the lack of my dad walking me down the aisle, etc. But I would love to be able to pull off a fab wedding with all the fixings for a smaller guest list!

 
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CHK (message)  398 posts, Helper bee

Personally, I love your reasoning behind a small City Hall wedding. I wish I could convince Boyfriend that its the way to go. I get this sinking feeling in my stomach when I think about asking 150 people to spend the money to come to Montana for a weekend…

 
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Jenn R

My fiance and I are having a traditional wedding in his home country, but, for immigration reasons, are also having a City Hall ceremony here. I’ve tried to make it clear to everyone that I do NOT want two weddings and that the wedding in Italy is the “real” wedding. I know that not everyone can make it to Italy - and I completely understand! However, now that people know we’re getting married here first, I’ve had a lot of people ask if they can come to the City Hall wedding or if we’re doing some kind of reception afterwards. I feel badly that some people won’t be able to attend my wedding because it is far away, but I really don’t want to take away from the importance of the “real” wedding by celebrating twice. So, we’ve taken the “all or nothing” approach too. We’ve invited my parents and a handful of friends and that’s it.

 
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Miss Bunny (message)  310 posts, Helper bee

The size of our guest list has been the biggest disagreement between myself and my FI since day 1. I would have been happy with a minimal guest list, but his top priority for his wedding is that he could invite “everyone.” In the end, I decided I would much rather have a happy groom than the small wedding I’d dreamed of!
I chose a venue that has a 200 person limit, though, to keep things from getting out of hand. He’s still kind of annoyed at this, but I keep reminding him that our tiny budget isn’t enough to feed more than that, anyway.

 
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LegallyWed (message)  31 posts, Newbee

Miss MJ,

I think that your idea of a small wedding is just lovely. I wanted to have a very small wedding in Napa (near where I’m from) but unfortunately my future family-in-law is HUGE and Polish so there was no small wedding in our future. I did get the list down to 150 (the last family wedding was 400+). The only thing that concerned me about your guest list is the absence of your grandparents. My grandparents are deceased but I don’t think I could ever have my wedding without them (if they were still around obviously). I think that when you look at the big picture the extra expense (if that’s the only reason) may look worth it considering you may not know how much longer they will be around. Hope I don’t sound judgy or anything like that - it just broke my heart to think about your grandparents not being invited because of money.

 
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MightySapphire
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MightySapphire (message)  2,608 posts, Sugar bee

My FI put his foot down on a couple people. We’re not ones to wring our hands over some hurt feelings…especially if we have no idea whose feelings they are. So we’ve told more than a couple people “No” and “Nope” and “Hellz no.”

 
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Turtle

With a huge family on both sides– collectively we have 85 FIRST cousins, and a huge immediate family on my side– siblings and spouses and kids= 25 people– we knew what we were in for. In the end, it all worked out for us (and the economy, even last summer, helped keep it smaller), but I have to say I’m a bit jealous of your ability to remove the zoo-like quality of the big wedding and get down to what it’s all about.

 
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Ana

Aaah! Trimming the guest list–the most dreaded part of wedding planning!

Luckily, we’re getting married at the courthouse, and are only splurging on the reception.

Our original list included about 150 people, but mostly because of “and guests.” When we finally booked our venue, we were told our limit to be 120 max because of the buffet style dinner. We have 119 people on the list including ourselves, but we’re hoping that 20% of the guest list won’t attend. We cut out “and guests” and kept it down to people who are immediate family and friends. That means, no coworkers, no acquaintances, no friends that we both don’t have in common, and no acquaintances of our parents. Some exceptions include, my mom’s godparents, who are also her aunt and uncle. They are the closest experience to grandparents I ever had since my both sets of grandparents lived and live in another country and it would be impossible to bring them. Other exceptions include my FMIL’s 2 pairs of acquaintances. She’s divorced and single and my FFIL and his wife (with offspring and offspringII) will all attend, so we thought she’d be happier if she had people with whom to spend the night with.

So far, only one couple have asked us to not forget about them when we send out invitations. Fiance will just tell them about our max capacity and if they want, they’ll be put on a waiting list.

 
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West Coast Bride (message)  672 posts, Busy bee

It’s interesting that you referred to picking and choosing as “picking favourites”. This is what West Coast Groom and I did, but I honestly didn’t see it that way when we were doing it (but I totally recognize this potential perspective now). We felt very strongly about not looking out at your reception and seeing a bunch of faces that we didn’t know. We also didn’t want to have my (large extended, distant) family taking over the day and making it feel like a family reunion. So we just made a rule for ourselves–Do they know us as a couple? If they don’t live here, have they come out to visit since we started dating (so, in the last five years)? Do we still feel a kindred sense of connection to them despite any distance (ie are there no hurt feelings about any distance that might be there)? I can understand the hurt feelings about grandparents though–all of our grandparents have been looking forward to our wedding with such excitement, it really is a highlight for their otherwise fairly quiet lives:-)

 
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Andrea

I love your reasoning. I wish I could have done it this way. But my fiance and are also midwesterners and unfortunately he is from a very traditional big catholic german midwestern family. So we have to have a wedding with everyone in the church.

But I love that you said “the wedding isn’t the most important day in your life”. I completely agree. Sometimes us brides get caught up in the wedding planning too much. It is good to realize that this isn’t the most important day and in the end it is just one day.

 
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I think your ideas are wonderful, do what works for you and your loved ones!

May I add a small piece of advice, as a friend of someone who had a wedding like yours? I love my friend, and was so excited for her marriage, and was very disappointed that I wasn’t going to be there to celebrate with her that day. But I understood.

However, when I tried to take her and her new hubby out to dinner afterwards to celebrate, she kind of acted like it was no big deal, and then her husband sort of stole my “gift” by paying for the meal.

Moral of the story? Your friends are happy for you and want to celebrate with you. If they want to get together with you afterwards, don’t deny them the pleasure! It’s not a burden for the people who truly love you–they want to be a part of it all.

 
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Miss Mary Jane
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Miss Mary Jane (message)  1,516 posts, Bumble bee

@lala: A little, but not really. my previous wedding was a 20 person outdoor destination thing with an “afternoon tea party” type of reception. So it wasn’t anything fancy either… probably spent about $2000 on it (not including travel).

@Miss Chocolate Chip: We thought a lot about this (even before we were engaged), and neither one of us is really wedding people. my family’s spread out - no one lives closer than 2000 miles away, but it’s also a very small family. There arent’ any long-lost relatives or anything. Mr. Mary Jane’s family is all very close by - we see most of them several times a year! So we’re good. If we were having a big wedding (even “small” big - like say 40 people)… we’d be regretting that and anxiously awaiting the day it would be over. We’re just not the type. :) And it also helps that many of our family members have done the same, and all of those couples told us it was a great decision for them; they never regretted it.

@LegallyWed: I definitely understand where you’re coming from, and this has been considered. We do have more than just the main reasons for our decision to go parents-only, but the grandparents-or-not decision has been the most difficult one to make.

 
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mrspaetz
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mrspaetz (message)  1,707 posts, Bumble bee

we were honest (some say brutal) and narrowed it down to 40 people — friends we don’t see at least once every quarter (caveat: unless they’re overseas/out of state), didn’t really make the list.

that said, we’re having a simple luncheon for older relatives (abt 30 ppl) after our tea ceremony (i’m asian) and a proper wedding + ceremony done our style (40) in the evening. so technically, we have 70 guests.

tadaaah. parents appeased, and we get to do things our way :)

 
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Sara

We are also only doing parents and siblings - so much easier! We were going to have a 150 person wedding and the stress (and cost) was getting out of hand. The compromise is that we’re still having a fairly formal ceremony, but just with very few people and having an intimate family luncheon afterward.

Later in the summer we’re having a picnic celebration with extended family and friends…no pressure there :)

 
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Miss Duckling (message)  1,349 posts, Bumble bee

MJ I really enjoyed reading your perspective on this. It seems like you and Mr. MJ are such an amazing couple. I love that the wedding reflects you and family/people/whoever is not changing that. It definitely has been tough to balance the family issues that have come up and this post was so refreshing.

 
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dckatiebug

I just wanted to mention that I think you rock, Ms. MJ!

Wedding websites/blogs can be exhaustingly conformist. Even if no one means for them to be, when 75% of the bloggers write about favors or centerpieces or choosing bridesmaids’ dresses or whatever, it establishes this narrative: a wedding = A + B + C. Your posts are so incredibly refreshing. Thank you!

 
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Shopaholica

To play devil’s advocate, isn’t the extra effort or money involved so worth it to have your grandparents there to share in your joy? Grandparents have little new things left to experience and live for, and seeing their grandchildren get married is one of those things that can make their year…especially if they reside nearby and can make the trip.

All of my grandparents have passed save for my frail grandma in Europe, and I would have given anything for them to be able to attend my wedding. After all, if it weren’t for them I wouldn’t be here at all! It would just seem unfair to me to exclude them.

 
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mandalynn17
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mandalynn17 (message)  1,071 posts, Bumble bee

@shopaholica — all of my grandparents have passed as well and if they were still around I can not imagine not including them in our day if I had the chance.

Miss Mary Jane-
It’s interesting to see your point of view. I just have a hard time seeing it that way! ;) I tend to agree with this point of view so eloquently put by Mr. Tiramisu:
“There is only one day in your whole life when all of your best friends and closest family gather in one place to celebrate that you and the love of your life have found each other. One day. The only day that college buddies, uncles, neighbors, your grandmother, your wife’s grandmother, and people you have never met will raise a glass, and cut a rug together in name of your eternal happiness.”

 
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Starr

We talked about a small wedding, but parents and siblings (w spouses) for us would have meant 1 guest on his side, and 6 on mine. It just didn’t seem fair. We are looking at having 90-100 people, and even that means I won’t be able to invite most of my aunts, uncles and cousins. We’ve decided to give priority to friends (who love us, know us, see us lots, etc) over family members (who love us in that vague family way, but don’t see us very often and therefore don’t know us much if at all). For a long time I thought I couldn’t imagine getting married without all those people around us - until the other day when I saw an episode of Gossip Girl (of all things!!!) where the couple got married in their living room, with 3 witnesses. It looked *lovely* and was the first time I had second thoughts about our shindig! I think everyone needs to have the wedding they want - it’s the only way to start married life on the right foot. I’m glad you’ve got support from your loved ones and interested acquaintances for your decisions. Not that it *matters* but certainly makes life easier.

 
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LizAnne721
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LizAnne721 (message)  90 posts, Worker bee

I just want people there I really care about. So, that equals to be about 100 to 130 people, which is what we’re planning (for now–we’re in the early planning stages). I could see cutting it down to just 60, but that would break my heart to not have everybody I love there!!!

 
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JennyBryde (message)  1,148 posts, Bumble bee

I love this post! As far as our guest list goes, it’s going to be me doing the slashing. We both have moderate amounts of family, and my FI does not have a ton of friends or co-workers that he is going to be inviting. I on the other hand, apparently am the social butterfly of the century, and my friends are taking up about half of the guest list right now. I know that I will have to sit down and take a serious look at everything. I am considering inviting only two people from work instead of my original 30 and just telling everyone that we are only having family at the wedding.

They’ll survive, and so will we. :)

 
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amy77jc
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amy77jc (message)  275 posts, Helper bee

I’m still having a tough time trimming the list! :(

 
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Miss Mary Jane
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Miss Mary Jane (message)  1,516 posts, Bumble bee

@mandalynn17: I loved how eloquently Mr. Tiramisu put it. Very lovely. However, consider a situation where your family does not party, dance, drink or “let loose”… I’d never end up with a reception anything like the Tiramisus, the Green Teas, the Cherry Pies, or any of the other great celebrations that have been shared with us all through weddingbee. It’d be just like my first wedding: Everyone will sit at tables, chit-chatting for 2 hours while soft, inoffensive background music plays… which is perfectly great - they’re my family and I love them, but I’d rather sit at their table chitchatting with them in the gorgeous Adirondacks or the spectacular rocky mountains, than at some rental ballroom in Grand Forks, ND. :D

 
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KB (message)  18 posts, Newbee

I think it’s great your having the small wedding you want. I would love to have an intimate ceremony…though with just parents and siblings and their families…That alone would bring us to roughly 41…so we’re going with a larger ceremony, but hopefully will keep it to about 100.

 
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thebackyardbride
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thebackyardbride (message)  65 posts, Worker bee

Thank you so much for this post, Miss Mary Jane. I’m still struggling with this issue for our 15-guest backyard wedding. I posted about it on my blog and got a response that suggested having a simple potluck or barbecue for other people in your hometown who want to celebrate with you after the fact, and I think that might be a good option. Right now I’m being vague with co-workers and other friends about the date by just saying “in the fall” like you said, but I’m worried about how long that will last. Think I can get by with just telling people I won’t be in for two weeks and coming back with a new last name? Haha. ;)

 
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Miss Mary Jane
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Miss Mary Jane (message)  1,516 posts, Bumble bee

@thebackyardbride: The potluck/bbq is a great idea. We may do something like that too.

 


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Mrs. Mary Jane Mrs. Mary Jane, Grand Forks, ND Age and Occupation: 26, Instructional Designer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Lead Programmer Engagement Date: February 28, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2009 Venue: City Hall About Me: I'm a career woman on the surface and a homemaker at heart. I love fast cars and high heels, and my favorite food is cake. Mr. Mary Jane and I are both full-time employees and students, and we just bought our first house. We love to curl up on the couch with buttery popcorn, Sour Patch Kids, and the latest Netflix arrival -- whenever we can get a break from everyday life.
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