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Mrs. Joey, Seattle Age and Occupation: 28, Project Administrator for Public Health NGO Fiance's Age and Occupation: 30, High School History Teacher Engagement Date: June 24, 2008 Wedding Date: August 2009 Venue: Eastside Catholic Chapel and Lake Union Cafe About Me: I'm a Seattle girl through and through except for the fact that I don't drink coffee. I love my job most of the time because I get to travel and work with brilliant people who are trying to prevent Malaria. I love DIY projects of all sorts, cooking, and watching sports. I'd wear anything at Anthropologie and could spend all day on Etsy. I love to travel but shouldn't because I always get myself into unbelievable situations!
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Critical Conversations

May 1st, 2009 @ 11:52 am by Mrs. Joey

Roughly a year-and-a-half ago, Mama Joey called me and left a message asking me to call her back ASAP. I was in a training, and called her during my afternoon break. Her voice sounded a little shaky, but I thought maybe I just caught her after a cough or something. She said she had news — bad news. My first thought was that something happened to my BIL. He was serving in Afghanistan at the time, and well, I’m sure you can guess what I was thinking. It wasn’t my BIL, he was fine. Mama J said that she had gone to the doctor the week before and they found a few lumps on her breast. She wasn’t alarmed at the time because she’s had benign cysts removed before. She returned to the doctor that morning and they told her the lumps were cancer.

I was silent. I couldn’t breathe. I couldn’t think, and I could hear my name being paged over the PA system asking me to return to the training room. I wanted to ask her all sorts of questions, but she said she had to go to her next appointment for more tests. I didn’t know what to do, so I went back into the training. I sent Mr. Joey a note that said, ’Mom has breast cancer. Called from the doctor’s but I don’t know anything else.’ He said he was just leaving work and was coming to get me. I don’t know what was said in the training that afternoon, or what the topic was, period. Mr. Joey picked me up and I cried the entire way home. Mama J was still at the doctor’s and said she’d come over afterward.

I’ll fast forward though the doctor’s visits — they weren’t fun.

It was decided that the best course of action was a partial mastectomy. They had caught the cancer really, really early and were confident that removing one breast would stop the cancer in its tracks. Once Mama Joey made her decision, sister Joey and I set about laying out a plan for the next 6 weeks while she recovered. Sister Joey was at home living with my parents. She had just graduated and was waiting for orders to move to Italy from the Army. She had two jobs to keep her busy (and from thinking about her husband at war), but was insistent she help care for Mama J.

In the mornings, sister J would stay home and be around for Mama J. I worked less than a mile from my parents’ house, and at lunch, I’d leave and relieve sister Joey of her morning duties. She go to work and I’d telecommute from my parents’ house. I know I’ve mentioned my job isn’t really personal life-friendly when it comes to travel, but in a real crisis, they pull through. My boss and the program director said I could work from home for as long as I needed. I really appreciated that. Anyway, around 5PM-ish, my cousin, who lives with my parents, and my Dad would come home and be there with her in the evenings. I’m sure you’re wondering where Papa Joey is. He is NOT good with blood, or any kind of health stuff. He faints at the sight of blood. We thought it best not leave him alone with Mama Joey during the first few weeks.

Our care routine was in place for about 6 weeks. I was tired the whole time. I cooked, cleaned, and shopped for my parents as much as I could. I ran myself ragged because I felt bad. I got to go home every night where Mr. Joey would try to maintain some normalcy for me. He took care of me - cooking, cleaning, shopping, distracting me (in a good way). One night in bed at the end of Mama Joey’s recovery, I told him how glad I was that they caught her cancer early. I would have had to move to permanent part-time at work, and possibly move back in with my parents, or we’d have to move closer. He nodded. Then I told him (randomly) that if something like this happened again or my parents were just too old, they’d have to come live with us. He didn’t say anything — maybe because he was in shock, or maybe because I was fragile, I’m not sure. We didn’t really talk about it again until recently.

As we were working with the architect on the design of our house, we talked about building in a mother-in-law unit in the basement. He thought it would be a good way to help pay the mortgage. I said I thought it was perfect. We could rent it out now, and when our parents needed it, they could stay there. He didn’t flinch — I thought he would. I asked him what he thought about my parents (or his) living with us, and he said he was okay with it. WHAT? That’s not what I was expecting. He said he thought about it a lot the first time I mentioned it. At first he wasn’t sure about it, but then realized that I was always a big family person — it was part of the reason he loved me. He couldn’t change that. He also knew that my sister would help care for my parents and that we’d have to force my parents to live with us. They like their freedom too much and would feel like a burden.

I’m glad we didn’t have to fight about this. I don’t know what I would have done or how I would have felt if he said my parents weren’t welcome to live with us. Sister Joey and I have known for years that we wouldn’t put our parents in a nursing home unless we really couldn’t provide them with the care they needed. I don’t know if this discussion would have hurt or ended our relationship (I feel strongly about it), and I’m glad I won’t have to find out.

There are so many issues (money, work, whether to have kids or not) that couples split up about that were never discussed before the wedding. What critical conversation did you and your FI, or husband, or ex have that either brought you together or ultimately tore you apart?

P.S. Mama Joey is as healthy as ever. :)

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24 Responses to “Critical Conversations”

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MoSnow
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MoSnow (message)  375 posts, Helper bee

So good to hear! I almost audibly gasped when I read your post.
My FI and I have talked more and more about parents and I think we’re on the same level, or at least understand eachother. His parents live in Europe and I have a feeling they’d want to move here eventually, especially when we have kids. Unlike you, that thought terrifies me and if they move into the same town I’d feel suffocated. Here’s hoping they find a nice country abode with plenty of friends to distract them.

 
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Miss Peep Toe (message)  1,636 posts, Bumble bee

Joey- so happy to hear that Mama Joey is doing great!! I’ll be thinking about her!! And seriously, you’ve got a good man on your hands that understand your priorities!! So great!!

 
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Emilydll
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Emilydll (message)  428 posts, Helper bee

So happy to hear your mother is okay! :)
I could barely get through reading that because I had so many tears!
I’m extremely close to my family and my fiancee and I had this same discussion not too long ago…we’d do the same thing!
Glad to hear Mr. Joey was so supportive! He seems like such a great guy!

 
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dec09bride
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dec09bride (message)  117 posts, Blushing bee

So glad to hear that your mom is healthy. I know that can be scary.

My FI and I have had the same discussion, and he is willing to live in the same neighborhood that the majority of my family lives in. (His family all lives in other towns.) My parents and grandparents are too independent to move in with anyone else, but being around the corner makes it easier to keep an eye on them.

 
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minneapolitan
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minneapolitan (message)  740 posts, Busy bee

So glad to hear your mom is healthy. My mom went through the exact same thing when I was in junior high and it’s absolutely terrifying (she’s okay now too).

We’re totally the same way about family - that was a big deal to me, too.

 
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FlipFlopBride
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FlipFlopBride (message)  1,305 posts, Bumble bee

Glad Mama Joey is good now!
We haven’t really had this discussion yet, although we have a tiny gardening house/shed (carpeted, drywalled, electricity - why?!?) out back that we jokingly refer to as the “MIL Suite” with my mother. I know FMIL will come live with us when the time comes, and my mother wouldn’t trust anyone but me…I just hope by that time that we have a larger home. I think without having a full blown discussion, we are both on the same page.
The next critical discussion will probably have to do with children. We discussed wanted them in the next few years, but everything else is in the air.

 
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LovestheBear
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LovestheBear (message)  875 posts, Busy bee

So happy to hear that Mama Joey is doing well!
We had the same conversation about our families living with us, which was surprisingly easy.

The hardest and most critical was what to do in the “worst case scenario.” He’s in the army and will be for the next 7 years. He loves what he does and wants to the best for his country that he can. The thought of living my life without him in it is heartbreaking, but it made us both feel better to speak about it.

 
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MrsBtobe
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MrsBtobe (message)  81 posts, Worker bee

I’m glad to hear your mom is healthy! You’re a wonderful daughter for doing what you did (not all children would treat their parents as kindly given this situation). All the best to you and your wonderful FI in your upcoming wedding!

 
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Miss French Bulldog
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Miss French Bulldog (message)  6,077 posts, Bee Keeper

Joey, I am so happy to hear that Mama Joey is healthy and doing well :) I’ll echo Peep Toe, you have a wonderful man!

 
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Miss Taffy (message)  2,605 posts, Sugar bee

I’m so glad that mama Joey is ok!!! My mom just had her first mammogram in 15 years (she’s so bad!), and thank goodness, she is clear. I have had a biopsy and one lumpectomy already, so I was worried about my mom skipping tests for so long!

 
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MrsSl82be
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MrsSl82be (message)  1,472 posts, Bumble bee

Yay for Mama Joey, and Mr Joey being so understanding. I can completely relate, my dad had prostate cancer last year and my mom called me at work to tell me. I almost dropped the phone, and immediately welled up with tears. I told my boss and she gave me a hug and told me I could do whatever I had to do. Luckily, they also caught my dads really early so they only had to remove his prostate. No chemo or radiation needed which was great. He just had to wear a catheter for 6 weeks and relearn how to hold his pee again…

Fi and I have lived with his dad for the past 2 years and he’s been really great about it. We bought HIM a dishwasher that he installed, even though we do the housework. I wanted a garden so he let FI dig up part of the yard for my garden. He calls me his almost daughter, and I really feel like he’s a second dad to me. FI is also close to my parents, especially my dad since they are so much alike and both love me like crazy :)

If we had our own place and the room for them, we would no doubt let my parents or his dad move in. We know that eventually it will happen, and since we may not have kids it would fall to us to take care of them. But how could we not, when they’ve done so much for us??

 
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kelso115 (message)  5 posts, Newbee

Miss Joey, my mom recently went through the same thing, so I can definitely relate. My fiance was wonderful, and continues to be wonderful about the whole situation. Now my mom is healthy and cancer free since October. She’s stressed that all her medical bills won’t allow her to help with the wedding. My fiance and I don’t care, we’re just so glad she’ll be there, and be healthy.

 
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Miss Beagle (message)  1,053 posts, Bumble bee

I’m so happy Mama Joey is doing great :) FMIL Beagle went through a cancer scare last summer, but is doing well also. Cancer sucks! We have also talked about this and have agreed that we would do whatever is necessary if something like that were to happen.

 
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MightySapphire
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MightySapphire (message)  2,608 posts, Sugar bee

Wow, this one brought tears!! One of my mom’s friend’s dauter was diagnosed with breast cancer - at 26 years old. Then ANOTHER one…at 27 years old. I have never been big on self-exams, and I considered it something that “old ladies” get, but knowing TWO women my age really sobered me up. It can hit at ANY TIME!!

That’s amazing that Mr. Joey was so supportive of you and your family!! And to be able to build that into your house? Truly a blessing. Hope the building is going well!

 
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msashleymarie
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msashleymarie (message)  374 posts, Helper bee

I remember when I found out my mom had breast cancer. I was going into 8th grade, and had 5 siblings younger than me, the youngest being 1 and 1/2.

It was awful. Thankfully, my mom is super healthy 10 years later!

I’m glad your mom is doing well Miss Joey!!

 
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Lillindy
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Lillindy (message)  4,268 posts, Honey bee

Wow, I totally held my breath reading this, I’m glad Mama Joey is okay, though! I really admire you and Mr. Joey, I couldn’t handle living my my in-laws and even my hubby agrees!

 
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Miss Perfume (message)  1,640 posts, Bumble bee

Wow, Joey. Like Lillindy, I held my breath a bit while reading. Living with parents (as in parents moving in with their adult, married children) is apparently a really asian thing. We don’t anticipate that will happen with us, but if it did, I hope Mr. P is as awesome as Mr. Joey in embracing the idea.

I’m glad you guys didn’t have to fight over it. You’re right, there are so many other stressors. Also hope you’re mom is doing well.

 
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TechGirl
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TechGirl (message)  269 posts, Helper bee

I hope your mom never has to deal with cancer again. I really hope that’s the end of it. Sending positive vibes her way.

My FH was super supportive throughout my mom’s battle with cancer. He would drop everything and drive 2 hours to see me if I called crying. He would always be my shoulder to cry on. He’s big on family too (like me) and I know that if something were to happen to my dad he would agree to him living with us.

 
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yello (message)  26 posts, Newbee

awwww. what a keeper!

 
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West Coast Bride (message)  672 posts, Busy bee

It’s funny how sometimes you hear about people not having a certain critical conversation and you go “how could they not??” and then when then subject comes up for you, you realize you have your own wayward topics too! This is definately not something West Coast Groom and I have talked about, but we talk frequently about our in-law boundaries, and I have a pretty good idea of what his attitude would be.

For us, the discussion was kids! I have never wanted children of my own, and wanted a marriage that involved lots of travel and quality one-on-one time. When the conversation finally happened, West Coast Groom was totally on board, and is even comfortable accepting that one day, one of us might change our minds and get baby fever, and if that happens, that’s ok too. I think being open to making and re-making decisions is the key for us.

 
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Miss Latte (message)  646 posts, Busy bee

Aw Joey, I’m SO happy to hear that Mama Joey is doing well. And Mr. Joey is definitely a keeper. :)

 
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LatteLove
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LatteLove (message)  4,120 posts, Honey bee

I hope at some point I can show my parents the care and love they have shown my grandparents and great grandparents over the years! So glad you and Mr. Joey were on the same page with that discussion as it could have caused a lot of tension.

 
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Miss Joey (message)  829 posts, Busy bee

Thanks ladies for all the well wishes. We were SO lucky they caught it early. Cancer isn’t new to my family so we’ve have a lot experience with catching it too late.

@Miss Peep Toe:, @Miss Latte: ,@Miss French Bulldog: I like to think he’s a keeper!

@West Coast Bride: We’re sort of in the same boat about kids.

@msashleymarie: YAY!!

@LovestheBear: Sister J and her husband had the worse case discussion. It was a hard to have.

@Lillindy: It’s not going to be easy and we hope it never comes it this, but the alternative isn’t really an alternative for us.

 
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bethxness (message)  27 posts, Newbee

so, so, so glad to hear your mom’s doing well… and what a great catch indeed!!

 


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