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Mrs. Cheese, Knoxville Age and Occupation: 29, Engineering Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, CAD Designer Engagement Date: July 31, 2008 Wedding Date: May, 2009 Blogging Since: October 16, 2008 Venue: Our home and the two acres it sits on About Me: I’m an emotional girl who loves sentimental things, parenthetical asides, and trying to do things herself. I can cook, sew, am a whiz at planning, terrible at delegating, and totally in love with my fiancé (who will be my second husband but first love of the rest of my life). For our home/ garden/ DIY wedding, we’ll be moonlighting as interior designers, home improvers, and gardeners with the help of our fabulous friends and neighbors. We can’t wait to be married, and are learning how fun getting married can be.
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Coulda Woulda Shoulda

May 14th, 2009 @ 10:59 am by Mrs. Cheese

Because I’m pretty honest about my first marriage — both good and bad — I sometimes get messages or comments from women who are marrying as young as I was the first time, wanting to know what I would have done differently (other than, I suppose, not being young). I suspect other readers have been turned off by the same topic, figuring I just made stupid decisions that had little to do with my relative youth. In my last session with my fabulous therapist, he asked me the same thing: what could I have done differently?

Thing is, I didn’t think I needed to do anything differently, not at 21. There’s not a thing you could have said to me that would have made me doubt our ability to make our marriage work. We loved each other, we’d lived together, we knew each other’s weaknesses. How could we fail?

So accepting that waiting to get married wasn’t gonna happen, I would say to myself: decide that no matter what, you won’t get divorced until you’re 31*. Wish for it, consider it, but then set it aside until your 31st birthday. On that birthday, take stock of your relationship and then decide.

Your mid-twenties are going to be turbulent years, years spent trying to figure out how to extricate the threads of your own being from the cloth of your family. You’re going to feel lost, and alone, and not very sure about anything… and you will blame your husband and your marriage for that. You’ll believe you have lost yourself in him, are alone because he’s not with you, would know yourself better if you didn’t have to worry about him, and while that may be a little bit true, it’s mostly not. Without a pact — a real, honest, boots-on-the-ground commitment — to not actually leaving until those years are behind you, you will lose a wonderful man who was a great husband. You’ll discover that your life is just as crazy without him as it was with him and you’ll suddenly realize that it wasn’t him, it was you all along.

I love the wedding ritual Miss Cowboy Boot blogged about because it’s so real it’s mind-blowing. In my determination to learn all I could to recover from my divorce, I’ve talked to countless married couples, all of whom confirmed there will be times you will contemplate divorce. Really? Yes, even the ones who’d been married for decades. Without preparing for them, you might believe — like I did — the problem was in your choice of mate. And you might be right… but you might be wrong.

So we’ll be building our own little Lifeboat Box, and I’d love to hear other ideas for how to make it through rough times. I’m also asking guests to share words of wisdom rather than the more traditional well wishes. I’ll even provide envelopes so nobody feels uncomfortable being honest. Do you have any words of wisdom to share with a new bride? Please share. I’ll take all the help I can get.

*For some reason, 31 seems like a good grown-up age to me. I suppose it might be different for you.

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30 Responses to “Coulda Woulda Shoulda”

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laurenadela
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laurenadela (message)  272 posts, Helper bee

I am totally in love with this post. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous to think our marriages will all be perfect, sunshine and happiness every single day. I’m only 21 and my fiance is 22 ,(we’ll be 22 and 23 when we get married) and it’s just, scary to know how much we’ll change. I think you make a very good point, no matter what commit to making your marriage work. My whole i guess… “idea” on the subject, is 10 years. if in 10 years we hate eachother… then maybe we weren’t meant to be, but if on the day of our 10 year anniversary.. if we still have love for eachother… then i think the rest of our lives should be pretty safe.

 
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Miss Mary Jane
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Miss Mary Jane (message)  1,970 posts, Buzzing bee

31 is totally a grown up age! And I love that ritual idea. :)

 
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Miss Peep Toe (message)  1,804 posts, Buzzing bee

Wow Cheese. As always well said. I wish I had an answer to your question.

 
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Mrs. DG
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Mrs. DG (message)  8,491 posts, Bee Keeper

Tee Hee, at 31 I was just starting to get my sh*t together… but then I’m a late bloomer! 35 was my grown-up age… and now that I’m passed that, I’m just sure that 38 might be a grown-up age!

We’re doing the box as part of our ritual, but with a plan to open it on anniversaries.

 
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June Bug (message)  372 posts, Helper bee

I think this is a great post. My fiance and I are young as well, and we’ve already gone through some turbulent times in the short few years we’ve been together, but I’ve found in talking to those older and wiser than me that more than anything, marriage is a commitment-the decision to love one another rather than the feeling of love. I’m looking forward to growing up (and growing old!) with my fiance; even if we have a more difficult than average relationship, we’re both committed to making the decision to love each other every day!

 
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yogigal
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yogigal (message)  419 posts, Helper bee

Hmm, I’m 32 and wondering if I am grown up yet. I definitely feel more “grown” then I did in my 20’s, but when I’m with friends that don’t live in the city and have a bunch of kids I’m always like “this is so grown up” :)

Great Post. I’m glad that you are so honest about your first marriage and your mindset. Lord have mercy, if I had married my boyfriend at 22, I’m sure I would have been divorced, hopefully well before 31!!

 
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Miss Cheese (message)  801 posts, Busy bee

Heh, heh. I think “grown up” is a moving target! Isn’t that funny? I’m almost 30, and I keep thinking, should almost-30-yo’s still be slobs like I am? I figured I’d have grown up by now!
:)

 
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My parents have the best marriage I’ve ever seen– not just from my perspective– I hear it from people all the time. They have been married for 45 years– dating for 49 years. Before I got married my father said to me– “Just remember, this is what matters, everything else is a distraction.” His words are simple– and I know it hasn’t always been easy for them– but the simplicity of this philosophy keeps us going in our hard times. In a world full of stressors, your marriage/relationship has to be your priority– the question is: what is best for us, not me, not him, us.

 
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darilinda
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darilinda (message)  138 posts, Blushing bee

I really liked this post. I think it puts marriage and self-identity into perspective. I currently have a friend who is married and feels like her life has reached its pinnacle and she’s only 28. She wonders what else there is for her to do. They are married, have a kid, and have a house. I think it’s important to throw sitcom marriages out the window and get down what’s real. Marriage is not always peachy-pink roses. There are some thorns that may grow. I think this is where my parent’s advice of seeking a soul-nurturer comes in (i.e. religion, meditation, therapy).
I don’t think we’ll do the ritual at the wedding, but maybe slightly before or slightly after. It was too personal for us to do in front of guests, but the idea and sentiment is beautiful and realistic~

 
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mkat88
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mkat88 (message)  289 posts, Helper bee

Just like everyone else, I loved this post. Before I started datign my fiancee I was with the same guy from the time I was 16. We dated for almost 9 years… and it was a train wreck the whole time! Lol. Looking back I am so glad I didn’t get married when I was 21. I never would have imagined someone could be as wonderful as my future husband. Thank you so much for this post. It is wonderful.

 
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chelseamorning
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chelseamorning (message)  2,252 posts, Buzzing bee

As always, I love what you have to say. The part that rang the most true for me was in essence this: “It’s not you, it’s me.”

Because at the bottom I believe we are all egoists who don’t believe we’re egoists. We think other situations and people are to blame for the way we are and the things we do, that we are rational and logical (or even if we know we’re emotional and volatile, that we know this in a rational, logical way, and that that somehow circumvents the emotionality and volatility rather than being just another manifestation of it).

In reality so much of what we do has nothing to do with others or situations and everything to do with us: our fears, hopes, desires, habits, and more projected outward and given justification in the environment. For me growing up is learning that I have so much more control over how I behave than I usually give myself credit for.

Wonderful post, Cheese.

 
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Miss Starlet
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Miss Starlet (message)  459 posts, Helper bee

This gave me the goosebumps.

I have been married, divorced, this is my fourth engagement, and I have two kids. I’m 31. My mom always says that I crammed the life of a 60 yo into 25 years.

I still feel like a little kid most days.

 
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LatteLove
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LatteLove (message)  5,587 posts, Bee Keeper

Wow. I feel like 26 is going to my grown up age, but I’ve sort of always been a little ahead of the pack.

I know we will struggle (and I’m young) but I think the way we feel towards marriage in general before we start plays a huge part in our success…because we know divorce isn’t an option for us–and we know before we started that it’s going to take a ton of hard work, even if it doesn’t feel like it will, right now.

 
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Rhiannon
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Rhiannon (message)  156 posts, Blushing bee

The best marriage advice I ever heard was from Will Smith. He was talking about his marriage and how they’ve survived the usual Hollywood 7-month itch. He said that they just made divorce not an option. When that is not an option for you, you find a way of working everything out. My fiance and I both thought it sounded like such good advice that we’ve adopted that as our plan.

 
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This really resonated with me as well. I had four very serious boyfriends in my teens/twenties and I still say that I could have married any one of them, if I had wanted to. They were amazing people in their own right and the thing is: I knew then that someday I did want to be married, and I did want to share my life with someone. But, deep down I knew I had so much of my own stuff to deal with and figure out. While I was in the relationships, I did blame them for things that had more to do with me than with them. It was unfair, but I was also young and unknowing. Depending on the person and the stage of one’s life, it seems like it is too much sometimes to actually understand these “growing pains” while you are in the middle of it all. Youth is tricky like that. Ultimately, I still keep in touch with these exes and am now engaged to not only a man, but a LIFE that is right for me. I found myself at age 30 feeling happier and more at ease with my own self than ever before. There will always be growth and change in life, but now I have the confidence in myself and life experience that I will need to stick with it and make it through no matter what is to come.

 
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mary-alice-me
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mary-alice-me (message)  1,864 posts, Buzzing bee

I’m 28 and I look back frequently at how much I’ve grown up in every way, but how much further there is to go, too. I look at my relationship with my fiance and can say that it’s become even better just in the past 6 months.

We used to talk about breaking up, sometimes seriously, but always because we thought the other person needed something different. So we took that off the table. We admitted to each other that we’re what we want, for now and forever, and decided to not to mention/ threaten/ offer breakups. Instead, we’ll work hard to get along. And we already have, and I’m sure there will be more of that in our future.

 
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Miss French Bulldog
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Miss French Bulldog (message)  7,730 posts, Bee Keeper

This is a great post Cheesey :) I heart you!
I also totally agree, I haven’t been married before, but I know HAD a gotten married at 22 (there was potential) I don’t think it would have worked through all the shite I needed to work through. I know some ppl CAN do it and that is great, but I believe that relationship didn’t work out b/c God knew I wasn’t ready :)

 
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MrsSl82be
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MrsSl82be (message)  7,970 posts, Bee Keeper

Cheesy you’ve done it again!!!

There was also potential that I would have been married right after I turned 21 (cuz you have to be able to drink at your own wedding!!) and had that happened I would be divorced by now. But that’s because of him being a loser and cheating and lying to me for most of our relationship. FI and i have been together basically since I was 21 (ex and I broke up when I was 20) and we have both done a lot of growing up together. But we’re fortunate in that we’ve grown together and not apart, which I’ve seen all too frequently in our group of long term young relationships. We were lucky that we’ve had the same common goal throughout, so we knew no matter what we would work through it and so far so good. We both want what my parents have (30 years in dec!) and I’m completely confident that we’ll reach that goal together no matter what :)

 
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FlipFlopBride
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FlipFlopBride (message)  1,437 posts, Bumble bee

As always, I love your realistic attitude and complete honesty that you post for the hive to learn from. I was engaged previously, and it took a lot of work for me to look at myself and really figure out why it didn’t work. I may not be at my “grown up” age yet, but I’ve learned how to be honest with myself, and I think that’s the best thing anyone could have helped me with. You’ve got it down!

 
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chicagowife
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chicagowife (message)  844 posts, Busy bee

You write the most honest, cut-to-the-chase posts. It is so refreshing. I think it’s so true that you have to remember that there WILL be good and bad times. I love the ritual idea.

P.S. My parents have the best marriage I know (almost 40 years) and they both have said they’ve thought of divorce. I think it happens with almost any couple who are introspective and analytical. But if you plug away I think you’re usually happy you did. My parents are!

 
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Mrs. Cheese, Knoxville Age and Occupation: 29, Engineering Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, CAD Designer Engagement Date: July 31, 2008 Wedding Date: May, 2009 Blogging Since: October 16, 2008 Venue: Our home and the two acres it sits on About Me: I’m an emotional girl who loves sentimental things, parenthetical asides, and trying to do things herself. I can cook, sew, am a whiz at planning, terrible at delegating, and totally in love with my fiancé (who will be my second husband but first love of the rest of my life). For our home/ garden/ DIY wedding, we’ll be moonlighting as interior designers, home improvers, and gardeners with the help of our fabulous friends and neighbors. We can’t wait to be married, and are learning how fun getting married can be.

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