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Mrs. Mary Jane, Grand Forks, ND Age and Occupation: 26, Instructional Designer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Lead Programmer Engagement Date: February 28, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2009 Venue: City Hall About Me: I'm a career woman on the surface and a homemaker at heart. I love fast cars and high heels, and my favorite food is cake. Mr. Mary Jane and I are both full-time employees and students, and we just bought our first house. We love to curl up on the couch with buttery popcorn, Sour Patch Kids, and the latest Netflix arrival -- whenever we can get a break from everyday life.
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If you’re in a semi-rural location and you’re considering a courthouse wedding, this post is for you.

Your town isn’t San Francisco. Don’t assume that you can stroll in to your local or regional county seat and ask them to marry you! I pretty much assumed that, and boy was I wrong. I’ve now called four counties.

Grand Forks only does weddings on Mondays, and they’re at the jail.

Two of them (Red Lake and Pennington) don’t have a judge or magistrate available on a normal schedule.

And Polk couldn’t commit to the date; they wanted us to give a time-span so that the gal could call us when she was available to ’do a wedding’. That just won’t work for us: my family’s flying in to be here, plus we have a pro-photographer scheduled for a specific date.

I was pleasant; I wasn’t a bridez*lla to anyone, but I was firm on my date. I asked for exceptions, asked if schedule changes could be made (since we’re still well over 2 months out), asked if there was anything we could do to make it work. One lady gave me a firm, “No exceptions.” Two of them pushed me off onto someone else. Another gal did give me a possible option I’ll discuss in a minute.

Of course, I didn’t expect everyone to be gushing and oohing and ahhing.

I know it’s a government office and their staff are busy people. But boy, do I feel like I’ve been put in my place! I am aware that courthouses don’t exist specifically to marry people. But all of the government offices I talked to gave me the attitude that weddings are bottom-of-the-barrel, last-on-the-priority-list. I was excited as I called the first courthouse. But now, with 4 under my belt and 8 more to call, I’m feeling depressed and silly. How dare I think a wedding is a happy occasion! Turns out, it’s an annoyance that judges don’t like to deal with unless they’re already in the area and have nothing more pressing to take care of. “Hush, you ridiculous little bride! We have criminals to deal with!” (At least, that’s the vibe I’ve been getting from my phone conversations.)


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Anyhow… back to that option I mentioned. The judge who couldn’t commit to a date (she’s a busy woman) did give me the phone numbers of two officiants who probably could (provided they aren’t already booked - ahh, the benefits of a weekday wedding!). We’d have to pay them for their time and travel, but she said they could marry us at the courthouse of our choice (our choice would be Red Lake County). I haven’t called them yet. Something about that scenario feels like cheating. We’re getting married at a courthouse. I’d like a judge! But I have their numbers, so we do have the option.

Most of the 8 county seats I’ve yet to call are small towns that are within an hour of Grand Forks. Their counties are not very populated, so I’m not expecting much more luck than I’ve already encountered in my calls. Honestly, I’m hoping that I’ll hit on a county whose one-day-per-week weddings happen to take place on the day we want!

And, there’s always…


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The movie poster calls it “the middle of nowhere”, but Fargo is actually North Dakota’s largest city. They must do wedding ceremonies fairly regularly, wouldn’t you think? (Then again, I thought that about Grand Forks county before I called.) For our guests’ and our photographers’ sake, I’m hoping we can get married a little closer to home, but 80 miles ain’t so bad. And their courthouse is pretty majestic looking, too (unlike some of the others, which are ’80s government-building-tastic).

The Fargo courthouse:


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Needless to say, I’m surprised at how difficult it is to find a courthouse to marry us. I’m tempted to just “eff it” and go to Vegas. Even more surprising is the nonchalant attitude of everyone I’ve talked to. They don’t understand why I’m calling now. One gal said to me, “If you’re getting married in September, call us in September. Do you even have your license approved yet?” We brides read so many planning resources that tell us to schedule our venues early: the earlier the better. But if you step outside the bounds of the WIC, you may find the opposite to be true. (A friend of mine, while trying to find an outdoor venue to host a reception for 300 next summer, was told by a local park official to call back when the date was less than six months away!)

While planning, have you been surprised by restrictions set by venues, vendors or other professionals? Have you encountered any sour attitudes that left you with a lump in your throat?

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30 Responses to “Courthouse Staff to Mary Jane: “We Really Don’t Have Time for Your Pesky Wedding.””

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Melissabegins
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Melissabegins (message)  863 posts, Busy bee

I think my head would spin off if I were planning a 300+ get together at a venue that suggested I book within a 6 month window. Ouch. Good luck, Miss MJ - at least you’re not in the courthouse AND state park situation at once. No matter where you go or what you do, it’ll be great, because your closest are coming with you to celebrate.

 
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Champagne Wishes
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Champagne Wishes (message)  486 posts, Helper bee

Are there any retired judges that could marry you? My counsin did that. All will work out Miss MJ! Don’t let them bring you down.

 
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Miss Mary Jane
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Miss Mary Jane (message)  1,520 posts, Bumble bee

I did want to point out (since I didn’t make it clear in my post) that I do know that many larger cities have wait-lists and specific hours too - I’m sure san fran (the example I used) is no exception! But man, I knew none of this before a few weeks ago!

 
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Miss Bruschetta (message)  5,553 posts, Bee Keeper

I started doing cake research last spring — since our goal was to get all the main vendors booked by the one-year out mark — and one bakery told me they’re only concerned with their summer 2008 brides, and to call back at the beginning of summer 2009. Needless to say, we ordered our cake elsewhere (and from a place that took our call, scheduled a tasting and didn’t focus on our “early bird gets the worm” strategy!).

 
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Gina

it seems like this courthouse wedding is more complicated than a more ‘traditional’ means. did you originally pick this option because you thought it would be no fuss? maybe its time to think of another, even simpler option? one that would involve people who are actually pleased to be a part of your day….

 
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Miss Mary Jane
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Miss Mary Jane (message)  1,520 posts, Bumble bee

@Gina: A couple of reasons were behind our choosing this option. One was indeed “no fuss”. Two was that it is somewhat traditional in our families - both our sets of parents did it! And another is that we’re not religious - we just wanted to make it legal. Getting married in a park/field wasn’t really appealing to me… So there was this. It sure has become a hassle tho!!

 
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Yin
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Yin (message)  329 posts, Helper bee

I did some research in my own state for a courthouse wedding, and I was a bit surprised with my results as well. They only perform wedding ceremonies on Wednesdays by appointment only, preferably in the afternoon if I remember correctly. Here I was thinking that I could go in any time (as if the process would almost be the same as getting a marriage license) during the week.

 
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Annui
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Annui (message)  314 posts, Helper bee

Wow, I would not have expected this to be so complicated either! I wish you luck.

On another note, my grandmother is from Fargo and it is indeed a cool place.

 
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HCT

Have you thought about any alternatives? In Maine any public notary can do a ceremony. There is typically a fee, but it is inexpensive ($50 or so.) I don’t know if this exists in other states, but there must be some non-judge, non-religious figure that can perform weddings where you are.

 
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caeebe (message)  37 posts, Newbee

I just wanted to check since you keep saying courthouse wedding and you are looking at the county seats. Can the local city halls support weddings? I was once at a wedding in a VERY small town where the mayor officiated (I don’t know all the circumstances). When I think of quickie, no fuss weddings I think of the city hall, not the courthouse. This is just another option to call.

 
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kim0309 (message)  115 posts, Blushing bee

When we went to book our venue 9 months out the owner said “why are you booking already? you want to get married in march, no one gets married in march, you’re date will still be open” I had to practically beg him to just pencil us in to reserve the date. He thought I was a very silly bride.

 
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MissMemsie
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MissMemsie (message)  25 posts, Newbee

Goodness! They really are giving you the run-around!!

If you were to get married in Fargo, would you move where you are having your dinner/reception location with your family?

 
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Jenniphyr
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Jenniphyr (message)  1,397 posts, Bumble bee

Oh, Miss Marry Jane, I’m so sorry this is happening to you. =( That really sucks. On the one hand, I can understand it — like you said, they are a busy government office and it may seem to them like you are being overly pushy (after all, no one thinks “guest list” and “pro photographer” when they think courthouse wedding). On the other hand, though, it’s just rude of them to treat you like that!

I really hope that you end up being able to be wed somewhere that you like, and I’m sure that your wedding will be wonderful no matter how the winds blow. =)

 
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Sakoro

Yikes, you’d think states/cities/counties would want to be encouraging people to get married! I similarly wish there were more alternatives between blow-out church wedding + full reception and getting married at the local jail on a random Tuesday by a disinterested judge.

I don’t mean to say there are no alternatives (restaurant wedding, backyard bbq weddings, nice courthouse wedding if you can find it) but actually setting up a lower-cost wedding that’s nice and not depressing is way more challenging than it should be.

 
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Miss Joey (message)  829 posts, Busy bee

My cream puff vendor told me to call and order a week before the wedding! I need 150 cream puffs and I can’t put in the order until late July. I just have to keep my fingers crossed I guess.

 
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miss pop

it sounds like a lot of hassle. wedding planning is interesting isnt it? i agree with gina, why not find someone who wants to help, instead of a stranger that is annoyed to do it. you seem to like the nontraditional stuff, but isnt a courthouse the most basic of them all? you can have a friend, or family member even, become an officiant for you (thats what i chose), and get married anywhere you want. maybe even on the courthouse steps outside!

 
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Miss Mary Jane
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Miss Mary Jane (message)  1,520 posts, Bumble bee

@MissMemsie: Maybe. It’s just a dinner, so I’m not worried about it. Lots of good restaurants in both GF and Fargo.

@caeebe: Good point!

@miss pop: haha, that would be a big ol ‘eff you’ to the courthouse wouldn’t it! Get married RIGHT ON THE STEPS! :)

 
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IA_Snowflake
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IA_Snowflake (message)  1,622 posts, Bumble bee

I was thinking maybe you could do what miss pop said. Maybe the courthouse steps or maybe the courthouse has a nice gazebo or “park” around it (Ours does in rural Iowa - thought ND might too). We’re having a JP do our ceremony and she only charges $100.

 
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TheMapChick
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TheMapChick (message)  119 posts, Blushing bee

Milwaukee County has a most annoying marriage license policy. Both parties have to apply in person no less than 8 days but no more than 30 days before the wedding. This makes things really difficult for out-of-town couples. On top of that the license itself costs $100! Talk about making peoples’ lives miserable! We’re still having the wedding there next month but we paid our home county in Virginia $30 for a marriage license (much better!) and $55 to have one of their county-contracted magistrates marry us in the park by the courthouse. I don’t think judges in our county do the marrying at all but being just outside of DC that’s not small town by any means. Best of luck to you Miss MJ, I’m sure you’ll figure out something wonderful!

 
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Miss Labrador (message)  1,325 posts, Bumble bee

MJ, say the word and I’m come give a visit to all these a-holes. I think a drop kick to the throat would do them some good. :P Nah, but seriously, this sucks that you’re having such a difficult time! I know everything’s going to work out in the end, but it’s still sucks that’s it’s upsetting you. :(

 
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MyPurpleWedding
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MyPurpleWedding (message)  217 posts, Helper bee

The Fargo courthouse is beautiful! I hope something works out for you and soon!

 
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sandi

I feel your pain. We wanted to get married at our house by a local Justice of the Peace. Found out there aren’t any in WV. Called all the local judges, one doesn’t perform wedding ceremonies anymore, one would be out of town, and the third wouldn’t do it at our house, but would be ‘more than happy to do it on a weekday at the courthouse.’ Luckily we found out our general contractor was a minister, so he married us.

 
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midwestelle (message)  135 posts, Blushing bee

Hmm. This is getting weird. How do people get married in ND?

Actually, a couple of friends got married in ND a few years ago–they live in the western part of the state and they got married at a courthouse on a Friday. Let me know if you want me to track down their details!

Best Wishes!

 
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Miss Mary Jane
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Miss Mary Jane (message)  1,520 posts, Bumble bee

@midwestelle: Thanks so much for the offer! But I hope we don’t have to go to the west side! We literally live less than a mile from the eastern state border! I’m pretty sure people only get married in churches here in ND. Hmph. :)

 
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Muffet
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Muffet (message)  106 posts, Blushing bee

Can I just say Miss MJ - hang in there, it’ll all fall into place (at least that’s what my fiance reminds me on a daily basis as my struggle to avoid the WIC ensues).

 
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Miss Mouse (message)  3,354 posts, Sugar bee

That sucks that they aren’t more helpful. The Fargo courthouse is beautiful, though, so maybe things will work out if you end up getting married there!

 
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PrincessChristy
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PrincessChristy (message)  15 posts, Newbee

I hear you on the “crazy for booking early”. We’re doing a traditional church wedding and hall reception - and people look at me like I have two heads doing it a year out! Hello people, I want a specific weekend in June… at least my photographer and caterer understood!

 
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Mrs. Penguin
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Mrs. Penguin (message)  2,149 posts, Buzzing bee

I’m honestly shocked! You’re right… I’m used to living near San Francisco, where courthouse weddings are a huge deal and a typical way people get married around these parts… I had NO idea it was so hard to find a courthouse!

 
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stee

I’m guessing that there isn’t a lot of demand for courthouse weddings. I work next door to one and when I asked how many people get married there I was told 2 in the last 5 years that they could remember. So why carve out a date and time for weddings if those dates would just be empty??

Can’t you just call a justice of the peace and get married anywhere instead?
Why does it have to be at the courthouse specifically?

 


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