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Mrs. D'orsay, Baltimore/Lancaster UK Age and Occupation: 24, Stay at home fiance (formerly in nonprofit communications) Fiance's Age and Occupation: 29, Web site developer and designer; co-owner of men's skincare shop Engagement Date: August 10, 2008 Wedding Date: August, 2009 Venue: Oakland Manor About Me: I'm a Maryland raised environmental policy wonk/activist/organizer and communications aficionado. In the past year I've lived in Baltimore, MD, Tucson, AZ, Miami, FL and Lancaster, England. In my not so spare time I enjoy planning trips with Mr. D' Orsay, visiting friends and family and crafting like a mo-fo. I also enjoy modern dance classes, rugby and soccer but have been banned by my mother, MOHs, and Mr. D' Orsay from playing till after the wedding. I have an unnatural addiction to cheese and shoes, but love Mr. D' Orsay more than either and can't wait to become Mrs. D' Orsay!
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Princess Consuela Banana Hammock

June 23rd, 2009 @ 6:22 pm by Mrs. D'orsay

Oh, naming conventions. I tried to hide from you, but my honorifics post reminded me I’ll have to deal with you sooner than later. Le sigh.

It’s not as though I want to become Princess Consuela Banana Hammock and Mr. D to become Mr. Bag (but I would be pleased if we both became the Banana-Bags). I am have deep issues with traditional naming conventions. What’s worse is that I’m starting to feel completely alone in this. Even my father said I should change my name! Thankfully, I have at least one friend who has co-hyphenated and others who have kept their birth names. While Mr. D supports me on this issue, he is also trying to see both of our families’ opinions on it, whereas I feel there are really only two opinions that matter in this decision.

If you’re struggling with the idea of a name change (for you or you and your partner), I’ve found a few resources that might help you.

My mother (who is a database administrator) is asking us not to co-hyphenate or double barrel, but only because it makes her job harder. To illustrate this point, she sent us this article detailing a co-hyphenated couple’s unintentional database name changes.

In an online forum I found this Roman maxim: “Sine nomine homo non est” (”without a name a person is nothing”). One’s name is a signboard to the world. It is one of the most permanent of possessions; it remains when everything else is lost; it is owned by those who possess nothing else… When one dies, it is the only part that lives on in the world. This almost makes the case for neither of us changing our names, except that my desire to share a common name with Mr. D is overwhelmingly strong.

If you’re interested, here is a link to a court case regarding combined surnames. The summery is pretty interesting, and though the case involves a child’s surname, it still seems quite applicable to marriage. Part of the summary states that “a combined surname is a solution that recognizes each parent’s legitimate claims and threatens neither parent’s rights. The name merely represents the truth that both parents created the child and that both parents have responsibility for that child”. In my opinion, you could easily exchange marriage for child, and partner for parent, with the same resulting outcome.

The most helpful place I’ve found to give me peace with either co-hyphenating or choosing a single surname (mine or his) has without a doubt been the IndieBride Kvetch Name Changing board. While the site can sometimes be confusing to navigate (and why is “Second Thoughts” the first thing you always see!?!?!), it has really been a lifesaver when I’ve felt alone in this line of thinking.

While I would never do something because someone told me to, I also wouldn’t do something because someone told me not to. The Kvetch board has definitely helped me to think about the name changing issue in a more well-rounded way. I also sent Mr. D this article from Salon.com and the Wikipedia article, which highlights different naming conventions for different cultures.

What have we decided? Well, we still haven’t. We have all the usual concerns regarding identity, family tradition, personal preference, etc., but we also have to be concerned about immigration. We aren’t too pleased with the thought that changing our names could result in longer waits and confused paperwork. So we decided to shelf the highly emotionally charged issue and think about it later. While I hope that we decided before the wedding (because for me, changing our name as a unit also signifies our bond to the outside world), I’m not entirely sure we’ll have reached a decision about this in the next few months.

Anyone else having struggles with name changing? Is your fiance considering changing his name, as well? Are you having any drama in regards to your name change?

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17 Responses to “Princess Consuela Banana Hammock”

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minneapolitan
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minneapolitan (message)  739 posts, Busy bee

Yes! This was so hard for me to decide on. I went back and forth in my head a thousand times, and luckily my FI is totally fine with whatever choice I make and understands.

When it came down to it, the single biggest thing that bothered me was that, while I wanted to share a name with him, it seemed unfair that I was the only one changing anything and incorporating his family name while he did nothing.

So we talked about it and out of nowhere the solution just hit me - we’d both take my last name as a middle name, and then we’d both use his last. It was the perfect solution for us, and I was pretty thrilled about it.

 
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FlipFlopBride
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FlipFlopBride (message)  1,305 posts, Bumble bee

I love that you featured the Friends clip. Gets me every time!

My issue is really not so much about my surname. While I just really figured out the importance of my name now that I have a career, I’m excited to take FI’s name.

But I have two middle names. Both of which are family names. I really dislike the second one, as it has led to so much confusion in my life, and always said I would drop it. But I’m the only one who got my grandfather’s name in the family (first grandchild, so I got a boy’s middle name? What???).

So now I’m torn, especially since if I keep both middle names and take FI’s name, I will have a long name that doesn’t really flow. (5 - 3 - 6 - 9 letters)

 
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FlipFlopBride (message)  1,305 posts, Bumble bee

Oh, and according to FI, women are supposed to be maiden name de married name…or something like that. NO way! toooo long!

 
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chelseamorning (message)  1,482 posts, Bumble bee

I went through a lot of heartache over whether to change my name, and I ultimately settled on added my maiden name as a second middle name and taking his last name. My name has been changed for almost 8 months now, and I am pretty much over it. I’m happy with my name and my reservations are gone. The rule of changes is that no matter what you decide, I think you will end up getting used to it and be happy with it.

 
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agrosses (message)  94 posts, Worker bee

My mom gives me such grief about this, as our last name (her married name and my birth name) is so long and cumbersome. I understand that there is no way to take a “feminist” position, since my last name is my father’s; however, I feel like my name is M.I.N.E. I have made friends because of it (people in my freshman year math class who could remember it because it was so distinctive), hated it (on the phone, phonetically spelling 13 letters is very cumbersome), dodged it (told the dry cleaners and restaurants a modified version), and, because of these, and other things, had to own it. My undergrad and graduate degrees have this name. Again, it’s mine. I am the only person in the country with my name.

My children will have my husband’s last name (grrr says the feminist in me; but the practical me wins out every time); and I will be Mrs. Husband’s Last Name with my children and anyone who cares about it (which Emily Post will agree to), but I will always legally be Ms. Name That Has Been On My Birth Certificate Since Birth.

My mom, when she got married, legally went First Name, Middle Name, Husband’s Name; but shortly after, decided she’d be First Name, Maiden Name, Husband’s Name. ALL documentation (passports, drivers licenses, credit cards, etc) for over 35 years has been in the latter, but she has never altered her name legally.

I think the decision is a personal one and that I will have much more trouble convincing people that my current last name is a suitable middle name for my children then telling them I am keeping it for myself.

 
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Miss Mouse (message)  3,324 posts, Sugar bee

Hehe, I love that episode. For me, the decision to keep my name was pretty easy. But it’s such a personal decision! I think it’s great that you guys are going to put off deciding for awhile. Most likely his family won’t put as much pressure on you guys after all the wedding stuff is over and your lives go back to “normal.”

 
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A serious issue, but a classic bit of comedy to laugh with from Friends!
I think the hyphenation is becoming more popular as it is almost a bit of a have-it-both ways.

 
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LoriLori
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LoriLori (message)  235 posts, Helper bee

does anybody know what NJ allows on their driver’s licenses? I checked the blog above and looked on the DMV website. I thought that if you moved your maiden to a middle in NJ they abbreviate it to just the initial which pretty much defeats the purpose!
PM me with any info - pretty please!

 
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KateMW (message)  2,714 posts, Sugar bee

Crap Bag…best name ever.

As far as names go, I took my husband’s last name and changed my middle to my maiden. I sign with all three names most of the time, because my maiden was also my mother’s maiden {she divorced when I was less then a year old}, so it was my grandfather’s name, who I was very close too. I love the sound and look of Kate M*** W***. It was very important for our daughter to have our name, so if that meant having my husband’s weird and hard to pronounce last name over my easy and wonderful maiden name, I was willing to do it.

 
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nponcia (message)  15 posts, Newbee

My gosh! Perfect timing for this post! I just signed our marriage license and didn’t realize I needed to decide then. I thought I had until our actual wedding day, but, at least in CA, I was wrong! My middle name is Marie. . . .I am adopted, and my mom, being very Catholic, named me after Mary, to who she prayed for a little girl. Very sweet, I admit, but as teacher for the last 6 years, I am so attached to my last name. It’s fully Italian, and people ask about it, and I am so proud to talk about it. I wanted to make it my middle name, but was worried she’d be saying the rosary for the rest of her life over it! I was thinking about replacing Marie with my current last name. She never answered her phone when it was crunch time, I kept Marie for her sake, only to hear her say hours later, that if she were to do it again, she’d replace her middle name with her maiden name!!! WHat??? Why couldn’t she have said that two hours earlier?? So it is with a heavy heart that I say goodbye to my last name, with all it’s history, culture, and my 30 year identiy! I have to say, it’s not that I don’t want to take on my fiance’s, I’m just sad to say goodbye to all I’ve known until now. I do agree with Chelseamorning though, that no matter what we decide, we will get used to it at some point!! Ok. . .end of longest post ever. . . just needed to get if off my chest! Thanks for listening girls!!

 
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lobstergirl (message)  223 posts, Helper bee

OH this is huge for me, though I never thought it would be. Now that I met my very white boy friend (don’t get me wrong love his whiteyness), and am faced with getting rid of my very Mexican last name (the tie to my heritage) it has been difficult. I think we have come up with a solution. I will take my grandfather’s last name as my middle name, and take his last name and our kids will also take it as their middle name. It’s a compromise. :)

 
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mary-alice-me
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mary-alice-me (message)  1,870 posts, Buzzing bee

Thanks for all those resources. The last paragraph of the Salon article was a little over the top for me, so maybe I don’t feel as strongly as I thought I did. We’ve been married for a month and still haven’t really decided. I’ll probably end up taking his name, but I feel like that’s giving in. I echo minneapolitan ’s post almost exactly, but I don’t think we’ll have the same solution.

What irks me the most is that we’ve told his family that I’m not changing my name, and they say I should change and insist on using it anyway. I tell you, they’re sending me mail just to put the name I didn’t take on the envelope!

 
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DesignerBee (message)  95 posts, Worker bee

I’m happy to take on FI’s name. I’m going from one weird name to another so it doesn’t bother me. I like my last name, its unique, but it never occurred to me not to take his name. I’m going with the 4 name thing. My grandmother asked my mom to give me my middle name and I think I’m more afraid of losing that than the last name. Either way I’m hanging on to both but I don’t mind the change at all.

 
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We are both dropping our middle names, and taking my mother’s maiden name as our middle names, and keeping his last name as our last name. So, we have both family heritages, but we don’t have the issue of different last names or a LONG hyphenated name. It works for us, and our parents are happy because they know we both really care and are happy with our decision. It was hard to figure out what to do, but this works for us.

Best of luck with your decision!

 
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jeffreysgirl4ever
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jeffreysgirl4ever (message)  32 posts, Newbee

Ah, name changing ended up being a touchy subject for me. I didn’t realize it, but I am VERY attached to my name. While I really want to take my husbands name, and I have no problem being called “Mrs. Johnson” I really don’t want to change my name on paper. Its a weird independence, identity thing. So, over a year after getting married, I still have not changed it. Although, at this point, I do PLAN on changing it, I’m just not in a rush like some are. I would like to keep my original name as long as possible.

 
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