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Mrs. Moonbeam, Los Angeles/San Antonio Age and Occupation: 26, Intern Architect Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Studio Analyst, aspiring Screenwriter Engagement Date: May 20, 2009 Wedding Date: November 2009 Venue: Our Lady of Grace Catholic Church (LaCoste, TX) and Mary Gray Events Center (Castroville, TX) About Me: I was born and raised in Texas, but after college I moved to Seattle for a couple of years and loved it. Then I followed my beau out here to LA and we're getting settled in. I've been making things since I can remember. I was raised by crafters. I love to sew, draw, paint, build, cook, bake (anything with a tangible end result is fair game). In that same spirit, I've been hosting since I was old enough to cook and set a fancy table. I kind of take after my grandmother, who believes that your morning OJ always tastes better out of the good crystal.
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Oh, Did I Forget To Mention That?

September 7th, 2009 @ 1:46 pm by Mrs. Moonbeam

So, I’m a 2-wedding bride. We had our first ceremony July 25th of this year at Point Dume in Malibu. We’ve lived (or at least have been on leases) together for the past 2 years and always knew we’d get married, just not when. However, upon moving to Los Angeles and being unable to find a job with the same kind of benefits I had in Seattle, or even being accepted for private insurance, it became kind of necessary to get married. (Don’t ask me why a 26 year old female who has run a marathon, rarely drinks and doesn’t smoke can get rejected. Sorry that’s a bit off topic.)

Now, to answer some of the questions that came up after my previous post.

Being legally married before a Catholic ceremony is probably frowned upon in general, but I think there’s a good chance that a reasonable priest will be open to this, and from what I understand, all discretion is left to the priest. I kind of lucked out in this department, because our priest has been a friend of my family since well before I was born and is known to be more ’inclusive’ than some priests. His thoughts on the matter are that it’s good to have people marry in the Church and being overly prohibitive isn’t going to really help anyone. He knows that the two of us aren’t as religious as we could be, but we were both raised in Catholic families and this felt right for us. Being raised Catholic, I had mostly been to Catholic weddings and they always felt like they had more ’weight’ to them. Once we decided to get married, I knew Fr. Paul would be involved.

I also was researching this subject a bit beforehand and you’re allowed to live together as long as the priest feels it is for financial concerns and doesn’t think you’re ’sinning’.

So, for instance, a couple who is living together may not be allowed to get married in the Church until they have spent sufficient time living apart. (There are exceptions—for instance, if the priest is convinced that the couple is not engaged in immoral behavior but is living together out of economic necessity.)

So, again, we’re kind of at the priest’s discretion. Another bit of evidence was something I noticed at our Catholic engaged couples retreat. One of the couples had been married for 6 years, but were at the retreat to prepare for a ceremony in the Church. In the end, it’s good to find a friendly priest and show that you’re committed to the religious marriage and are only doing the legal one early for practical concerns. If it doesn’t work, well… it can’t hurt to ask.

As far as which anniversary we’ll be celebrating, we’re still a bit undecided. I asked Mr. Moonbeam, and his clever response was, “whichever I remember.” I’m not sure how we’ll feel after the second ceremony, but it is the more important one to me. To be honest, we’ve never made a big deal out of anniversaries. We think we started dating on about 09/20/2004 and we think we decided to get married around 5/20 of this year, and now we’ll have a couple of dates to choose from for our anniversary. It’s always been a kind of a ’oh yeah, we’ve been dating for around x years, let’s do something’ situation. Celebrate the one that matters to you. I think our decision will be based on what time of year we’ll feel like celebrating.

And for any of you out there wondering, I certainly don’t think that having a small legal ceremony is dampening anyone’s spirits for our big day in November. It doesn’t hurt to have 2 great days to remember, right?

Which anniversary would you celebrate if you made it legal earlier than your “celebratory” day?

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22 Responses to “Oh, Did I Forget To Mention That?”

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skibobrown
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skibobrown (message)  1,902 posts, Buzzing bee

We also got legally married earlier than our actual “wedding date” for health insurance reasons. We moved across the country for my job, and while my fiance is job hunting he needs to go on my health insurance, which can only happen if we’re married. For us the official marriage earlier this summer was nothing but a piece of paper. Our wedding next summer is the real deal, so we will be celebrating that anniversary.

 
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tea
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tea (message)  7,263 posts, Bee Keeper

i’m wondering the same for us since we’re planning on making it legal before the big ceremony.

 
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Johnsbride09
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Johnsbride09 (message)  565 posts, Busy bee

For the vast majority of people I’ve heard of who’ve done this (mostly people on wedding boards, lol) the legal ceremony was just the piece of paper that the government required, while the second one was when they actually made vows in front of family and friends. So I’d probably celebrate the second.

 
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DarlingNikki586
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DarlingNikki586 (message)  175 posts, Blushing bee

I can totally relate to the frustrating world of medical insurance! :(

My fiance recently asked if once we get married, we’d stop celebrating our dating anniversary. My response was something along the lines of: “What?! NO! We’ll celebrate our dating anniversary, our engagement anniversary, AND our wedding anniversary, thank you very much!”

Any excuse for a celebration…. :)

 
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KMSull (message)  6,442 posts, Bee Keeper

The second one, since that’s the one all the crazy amount of family is there to celebrate with you! Although I like the idea of celebrating all three like DarlingNikki said!

 
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cgruse
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cgruse (message)  56 posts, Worker bee

It really depends on the priest but I have lived with my fiance for two years and it was no problem whatsoever! I would celebrate the 2nd date since that is the one that really matters

 
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lkbphmd
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lkbphmd (message)  662 posts, Busy bee

I would go with whatever date is more meaningful to you, which you said is the second. But I wouldn’t be against having two celebrations either!

We’re considering having two ceremonies due to some family conflicts that pushed our date out further than we’d like. So we’d celebrate the first ceremony- the date that was about the two of us and not the date that brought family peace!

 
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mary-alice-me
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mary-alice-me (message)  1,864 posts, Buzzing bee

Maybe Mr. Moonbeam will have a clearer answer after the second ceremony. It sounds like that’s the anniversary you’d prefer, and I think I’d certainly agree.

 
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loralie
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loralie (message)  554 posts, Busy bee

We also did it legally before our “wedding” - we plan to celebrate our anniversary on the date we got “married” with our families present. During the time between the legal & family ceremonies, I still referred to him as my fiance - not my husband - and he did the same. Besides, we’ve been legally married for just over a year, and I already forgot the date, but I remember the date of our wedding celebration!

 
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Smilie
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Smilie (message)  34 posts, Newbee

I’d also celebrate the second date bechaus that’s the big and “real” date since you’ll be having many loving people to celebrate with.

 
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slicey19 (message)  2,844 posts, Sugar bee

Thanks for this post. You are the first person I’ve heard of who got legally married and is still having a Catholic wedding. I didn’t know this is possible. We are also considering a legal marriage first to make the paperwork easier a la Miss Poodle but I was told by a relative (and think I read somewhere on the boards as well) that a Catholic marriage would not be possible, just a blessing. We also considered doing it and not telling the priest because we won’t consider it our wedding until the church ceremony. I guess this discretion thing makes me want to reconsider the option of doing it early. Can you just confirm that you will have an actual Catholic wedding and not blessing? Thanks.

 
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Jenn R

Ha ha… we did this too (for immigration reasons) and our priest has been pretty understanding… mainly because it wasn’t our intention to do things in this order. However, he did tell us that we should be living “as brother and sister” until we make it official in the church. (Slicey19- it definitely is possible!)

 
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dmitchell08
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dmitchell08 (message)  296 posts, Helper bee

We are legally married as well, but we are having our “real”wedding a few days before our original marriage date. But we will be celebrating the new date as the official anniversary date. The new date is the more important date to me as well. But our dates are pretty close so if we slip at least we know we are close,lol.

 
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Miss Poodle
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Miss Poodle (message)  3,387 posts, Sugar bee

We are going to celebrate our “wedding ceremony” not the day we “made it legal” ;)

 
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Miss Poodle
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Miss Poodle (message)  3,387 posts, Sugar bee

it was : * not the day we “are going to make it legal” hehe

 
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Julie

Slicey, what you’d have is called a convalidation. Basically, the Catholic church recognizes as valid marriages outside the Church, but has a preference for marriages celebrated in the Church, because only those marriages are actually a sacrament.
For practical purposes, a convalidation looks just the same as a regular wedding. It is what my fiancé and I are doing, because we believe that church and state should be separate and are therefore splitting the two.
You cannot lie to your priest about a legal wedding performed before the church one, because he will need to sign your marriage license, which you will not have since you’ve already been married. Or you can try to dupe the state and get two marriage licenses, but that’s a bad idea if I’ve ever heard one…

 
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Miss Moonbeam (message)  1,732 posts, Bumble bee

@slicey19: I think the only dfference here is the legal aspect. Your legal wedding is now being blessed and acknowledged by the Church. But it sounds like Julie above knows more about this. Definitely just be open and honest with your priest and ask him about it. I can’t see too many people not being understanding about the situation. As long as there is true love and a desire for a Catholic Wedding Sacrament.

 
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susanwild
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susanwild (message)  9 posts, Newbee

Me an my husband went through a situation very much like this, it was really important for him to get married in a church, not to mention we got hitched years ago in vegas, long story, lol. I’m with you, my opinion celebrate both.

 
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slicey19 (message)  2,844 posts, Sugar bee

It’s so exciting to know this is possible, thanks for sharing your stories!

 
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Mrs. Moonbeam, Los Angeles/San Antonio Age and Occupation: 26, Intern Architect Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Studio Analyst, aspiring Screenwriter Engagement Date: May 20, 2009 Wedding Date: November 2009 Venue: Our Lady of Grace Catholic Church (LaCoste, TX) and Mary Gray Events Center (Castroville, TX) About Me: I was born and raised in Texas, but after college I moved to Seattle for a couple of years and loved it. Then I followed my beau out here to LA and we're getting settled in. I've been making things since I can remember. I was raised by crafters. I love to sew, draw, paint, build, cook, bake (anything with a tangible end result is fair game). In that same spirit, I've been hosting since I was old enough to cook and set a fancy table. I kind of take after my grandmother, who believes that your morning OJ always tastes better out of the good crystal.

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