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Mrs. Spaniel, Los Angeles Age and Occupation: 28, Law Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 29, Psychologist Wedding Date: March 2010 Venue: Calamigos Ranch About Me: I'm a third-year law student trying to balance graduating with starting my career, keeping up a relationship, and, oh yeah, planning an Old World, multi-cultural, "mountain lodge" wedding for 180 guests! A South Asian Jewish girl getting ready to marry my handsome Catholic Dane, I'm hoping to blend our cultures in our wedding just a bit more gently than by providing samosas as appetizers and offering æbleskiver for dessert. (Although that would also be awesome.)
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Read Your Contracts

December 4th, 2009 @ 10:55 am by Mrs. Spaniel

Given my chosen profession, one would think that I would be a bit more on top of (1) reading wedding-related contracts, and (2) voicing my concerns when discrepancies arise between the contract and oral representations made before receiving the contract.

Can you tell from this introduction that this is not always the case?

When Mr. Spaniel and I visited our venue for the first time, the site coordinator told us that the room that we were most interested in was available with a 100-person minimum. It was usually a 150-person minimum, but since our wedding was in the off-season, they could work with us. Great! We were hoping for 130 people at the time (with a 150-person guest list), so that would suit us just fine. She also told us that a champagne toast would be provided “as our gift to you”. Nice! We really wanted a champagne toast, and were happy to receive it for no additiona0l cost.

When I returned to the venue with Papa Spaniel, the coordinator had not relayed to the rest of the staff that the minimum was being waived (or reduced). We weren’t willing to spend nearly $125 per person when said person was not in attendance, so it was a do-or-die kind of clause: if they couldn’t meet our requirements, we weren’t having our wedding there. Luckily, we received a call from the coordinator—misunderstanding, of course we’ll honor…

Awesome! Problem solved.

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Why was I not so proactive about the champagne toast? I received a contract which did not include the champagne toast, and which listed the cost at $4 additional per person. I noticed this immediately. I signed the contract and returned it with the first deposit, and did not bring it up. I submitted the second deposit, and I did not bring it up. I considered also not bringing it up until the details meeting with the venue coordinator in November. If I ever got my sleeping bear of a temper (or at least of a person insistent of getting what I was promised) awake, I would certainly have fought for this to be included. I felt bad that I let this one slip.

Luckily, Mr. Spaniel took over for me and mentioned the champagne toast at the details meeting. As it turns out, the open bar serves champagne (which I did not realize before), and a glass of champagne with a strawberry garnish will be handed to guests after the ceremony on their way into the reception (the “gift” about which the coordinator was referring). People are welcome to toast with whatever they would like to drink. This works for me! Since a lot of people don’t like champagne anyway, people can toast with whatever is in their glass (and that can be champagne if they want it to be).

Did you run into any of these kinds of contractual issues? Were you as big a chicken as I was about any of them? ;)

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10 Responses to “Read Your Contracts”

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amariem25
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amariem25 (message)  3,733 posts, Sugar bee

we ran into many contractual issues, but most of them were their fault not ours. They tried to change things that were on the contract we already signed.

After that happened I always made sure that absolutely everything I wanted was in the contract. If they change something I expect a partial refund otherwise they are getting a bad online review from me. And believe, I did leave a few bad reviews for some vendors who changed our contracts at the last minute.

 
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Clover
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Clover (message)  99 posts, Worker bee

I’m an attorney and have combed over every contract like a maniac. You really need to read them carefully, not be afraid to voice your opinions and stand up for yourself, no one else is going to do it. They are out to get theirs, and you need to protect yourself. Don’t rely on “promises”, “I’m good for it’s”, etc. If the vendors think you’re pushy, fine. I’d rather be pushy but have my champagne toast and a price I am comfortable with.

 
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katiebug
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katiebug (message)  267 posts, Helper bee

I’ve run into a couple of problems in negotiating our contracts. I’m fairly obsessive about making sure I understand everything and getting anything taken out that bugs me. I had to get our venue to take out a provision in our contract eliminating their liability if the decided to renovate. Hello! If they decide to renovate on my wedding day, I’m so not paying anyway!

 
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teeleaf22
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teeleaf22 (message)  475 posts, Helper bee

I have worked with attorneys and also as a real estate agent and was around contracts all the time. When it came to wedding contracts I combed through everything, made my own proposed changes and even wrote out a contract for my florist, (who by the way asked if she could use it again). I really wanted to make sure all the bases were covered. If it was promised to me it was included in the contract. I prefer to be specific now and not have any surprises later.

 
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KMSull (message)  6,442 posts, Bee Keeper

I am SO scared of the contract thing, cause I tend to miss details that really need to be there. Thankfully, I have a FFIL that is a well known lawyer, a dad who reads contracts and the like for fun (he’s a wealth manager) and a Mr. KM that is careful at reading everything. So everything that’s in there will be scrutinized 3x by 3 very observant people.

 
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darling blackbird
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darling blackbird (message)  61 posts, Worker bee

I’m miserable with the contracts, but my mother and fiance are not, and I am so grateful. I think it’s because I’m too optimistic; I expect people to keep their word all the time, even though I know better.
Your toast sounds ideal. We don’t know what to do for ours, because part of my family/future family is dead-set against any alcohol whatsoever, while we just believe in moderation…

 
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Miss Cardigan
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

I’m very paranoid about reading every. single. detail. in the contracts we sign! So is FI, so we haven’t missed anything yet, haha.

 
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Miss Cola (message)  2,868 posts, Sugar bee

That’s great that it worked out, with both the guest minimum and the champagne being handed out! I’ve read our contracts very carefully, as well as saved all e-mails from my vendor contacts, so hopefully we won’t have any issues. And our DOC will be there to make sure what’s in the contract will be upheld the day-of.

 
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Tamara

Ms. Spaniel, does reading this count for studying for my contracts exam, which is what I’m pretending to do while I’m instead on weddingbee? I’m gonna go with yes.

 
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Mrs. Mouse
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Mrs. Mouse (message)  5,844 posts, Bee Keeper

We had a discrepancy in our first contract with our venue, regarding off season and non-Saturday pricing. I read it and emailed back right away, and they corrected it. Other than that, I don’t think we had any issues.
It’s so important to always read contracts! Some vendors aren’t as nice as others, and they will hold you to what you sign, even if it wasn’t what you originally agreed on!

 

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Mrs. Spaniel, Los Angeles Age and Occupation: 28, Law Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 29, Psychologist Wedding Date: March 2010 Venue: Calamigos Ranch About Me: I'm a third-year law student trying to balance graduating with starting my career, keeping up a relationship, and, oh yeah, planning an Old World, multi-cultural, "mountain lodge" wedding for 180 guests! A South Asian Jewish girl getting ready to marry my handsome Catholic Dane, I'm hoping to blend our cultures in our wedding just a bit more gently than by providing samosas as appetizers and offering æbleskiver for dessert. (Although that would also be awesome.)

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