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Mrs. Pudding, Greater Toronto Area/Vermont Age and Occupation: 26, High School Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Computer Engineer Engagement Date: August 2008 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: Catholic Ceremony, Cultural Hall Reception About Me: Quite literally a citizen of the world, I was born in Poland, grew up in Canada, and now live in the beautiful state of Vermont. I love reading historical biographies, multi-tasking, teasing my hair, and, despite my height, wearing high heeled shoes. I am the ultimate klutz with an uncanny ability to put on a graceful front. Mr. Pudding and I have been dating for over six years, and are very excited to finally merge our (very large) families. We are planning a traditional Polish-Catholic wedding that is anything but predictable.
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What’s Love Got to Do With It?

December 7th, 2009 @ 3:55 pm by Mrs. Pudding

During the summer that Mr. Pudding popped the question, I decided to turn my excitement about our looming engagement into something positive, and do a little bit of research on what I was about to get myself into by agreeing to be Mr. Pudding’s “wife”. I picked up this book at a local bookstore, and spent our Maine vacation reading about the women who have come before.

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I really enjoyed this book, and highly recommend it! Despite the “intellectual feel” of the book, it was a surprisingly entertaining beach read! Are there any other ex history and/or literature students who have rediscovered their love of reading for fun after years and years of reading only material that you had to for class?

The book did bring up an interesting point that I wanted to discuss with the hive. The author discusses the reasons why people entered into matrimony at length, and surprisingly notes that “brides and grooms did not enter marriage with the expectation of “loving” each other as we understand the term” until about the 18th century. For the most part, women married to gain security and status, while men married so that they could have legitimate heirs.

When I started thinking about the reasons that I have for marrying, the fact that I “love” Mr. Pudding is at the top of my list. I know that I “love” Mr. P because there are frequent moments when I am with him that I feel an overwhelming sense of joy so strong, that I actually pause to acknowledge it. But different people classify love in different ways - some believe that it is best described by the butterfly feeling in your stomach when you think about that other person, while others believe that it is more of a friendship that is developed over time. But if there is no real criteria to classify “love”, than how much credit can we give to this term as a reason for why we get married?

I’d like to think that I am marrying Mr. Pudding simply because I “love” him. But than, I think of my high school boyfriend, whom I also claimed to “love” (and at the time I really believed that I did), but knew that I would never marry him because his life goal of being the next big rap star did not mesh with my ambitions. I can’t help but admit that the facts that Mr. P is educated and has a good career play a part in why I have chosen him as my partner.

So, I ask you, hive: How do you classify the importance of “love”? What other reasons do you have for marrying your fiance?

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21 Responses to “What’s Love Got to Do With It?”

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Mrs. Mouse
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Mrs. Mouse (message)  5,844 posts, Bee Keeper

For me, love is #1. It’s hands-down the most important reason I wanted to marry the Dude. I guess I consider things like compatability, friendship, trust, chemistry, etc. to be part of “love.”

 
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Goldilocks1107
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Goldilocks1107 (message)  2,504 posts, Sugar bee

As a former English major, I was excited to spend Saturday reading a book cover to cover (the first time in a long time)!
Beyond the “love” factor, I think that we just balance each other out really well - i.e. I’m a word-girl, whereas he’s a numbers-boy. So, our strengths combined help overcome our individual weaknesses.
We can both exist as individuals, but feel more complete when we’re together (that really uncovered itself when FH had a 3-week work trip).

 
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peachybride (message)  124 posts, Blushing bee

You’re totally right, Pudding! I think its really important to have life goals that work well together - not necessarily the SAME goals, but certainly not goals that actively conflict. Take the classic Friends example - Monica “loved” Richard, but couldn’t marry him because she wanted kids and he didn’t. Love is the critical foundation, but your lives have to work together too!

 
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Golden8214

I knew that my FI was the person that I wanted to marry because even when i didnt particularly like him (due to an argument, or nonesense), I still wanted to be with him. Im super practical at times and ready to move on with most guys. My mom explained that with marriage, there are times when you dislike your spouse, but deep down you still love them and what they are or do. Thats how I feel about my FI. Thanks mommy!

 
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MrsSl82be
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MrsSl82be (message)  7,970 posts, Bee Keeper

I knew that hubs was the one when, even though he treated me horribly at one point (not to say I didnt’ do the same) I still couldn’t imagine my life without him. He absolutely completes me, and even though we don’t have the same outlooks on things - I realize I have to have an education in order to get anywhere in life, he’s fortunate that his dad is a world master mechanic and taught him more than any other 27 year old mechanic knows- we have the same goals for our life together. So what if I’m more educated? He supports what I do, and I support him. He’s my absolute best friend and I can’t imagine him not being in my life forever. I love him more with every milestone and sometimes I feel like my heart will explode I love him so much. My heart still skips a beat when he comes home from work. I always wanted a relationship like my parents, and I finally got it! :) They just celebrated their 31st wedding anniversary, and have been together for 40 years

 
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sf_carrie
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sf_carrie (message)  463 posts, Helper bee

In addition to love, the other reasons I wanted this relationship to go the distance were that I thought he’d be a really great father (I see this in him with his nieces) and our relationship is one in which we both are constantly growing/learning from the other person — I felt that being with him, I had someone that supported/encouraged me to pursue my goals.

 
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Miss Shoe

I love this topic! I certainly love my fiance….I love him so much that sometimes I feel like my heart will explode when he does something so incredibly loveable. But I also love the life we’ll have together. I want a partner in life. I want to have someone to feel things with. And I want a family eventually. I want to travel. I want to move around while we’re young. I want to read in bed every night. I want to learn new languages. I want to be (mostly) financially stable. I want to talk about our days…and I want to know that, because we’re both educated and intellectual, that those talks will be interesting. And, yes…stability is something I seek. I don’t mean financial stability (though being part of a 2-income household certainly helps with that kind of stability, as well, and I do think that finances play a part in the health of a couple)…But mostly I’m talking about emotional stability. I didn’t have that growing up. So, while I love him A LOT, I’m not marrying him because I love him. Or, at least, it’s not the main reason.

 
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Miss Shoe

Also (sorry, there’s more)…I am not an idealistic person. And I reject the idea that love is enough. At least, not for me. I expect our marriage to be imperfect. I expect that we’ll hurt each other. I am prepared for the bad days, bad weeks, bad months….or even bad years. And I’m prepared to forgive. Please understand this does not mean there is a free-for-all to hurt each other because we know the other will forgive, unconditionally. Rather, it’s what we believe to be a realistic approach to our marriage. What ultimately led us to choose each other was our mutual commitment to a life together. It sounds cheesy….or maybe it sounds pessimistic, or cynical….or harsh….but I don’t think anything can survive on love alone. It’s likely there will be days when you don’t have that butterfly feeling in your stomach when he walks in the room.

 
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Ms Potato Chips (message)  1,193 posts, Bumble bee

Great post and I definitely want to check out this book! I would say we’re getting married because we love each other but the deconstructionist side of me might admit we’re getting married so that our union is acknowledged by society, with all the perks and rules and benefits that go with it. Major Buzzkill, reporting for duty!

I’m working on a paper about early American ideals about womanhood and marriage roles, so I’ve got things like the Marriage Act of 1753 fresh on the brain.

 
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Miss Pudding (message)  1,180 posts, Bumble bee

@Miss Shoe: Thanks so much Miss Shoe for your comments! I feel like you said exactly what I was thinking. A relationship isn’t just about that “love” feeling…it’s about sticking with that other person even when that feeling (temporarily) disappears.

 
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Miss Shoe

No problem, Puddin! Don’t get me wrong, I know couples who are marrying simply because they are googly, desperately in love with each other. (googly? really?) And that might work for them. But one of the reasons I love my guy the most was because it was the first time I DIDN’T feel desperately in love with someone. I was comfortably and securely in love. I didn’t panic when we fought. I wasn’t worried I would screw things up because I knew that, when I did screw up (because I’m human), he would work through the issue with me. And vice versa. Sigh….

 
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Miss Cardigan
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

What a great post! I’m totally on the same page as you - love is the number 1 reason, and I totally get that feeling of overwhelming joy every once in a while. It’s great, isn’t it? :-)

 
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Katie

Interesting topic. I have to say I am “googly, desperately in love” with my fiance… However, part of what makes me feel this way is that we are so comfortable dealing with real life together. We have similar life goals, and respectfully come to a compromise when they differ. We have similar levels of education. We both aspire to reach a level of financial security, and have discussed what we need to do to make it happen. I’m crazy in love with him - but our compatibility in more practical matters is the fuel that lights the fire!

 
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Miss Cola (message)  2,868 posts, Sugar bee

Yup, “love” is my number one reason….combined with “making it legal with my best friend” and “solidifying our lifetime together”!

 
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Tia

Love this post Miss Pudding…and kudos to you for addressing some of the big subjects! I like reading these thoughtful & down-to-earth posts. I definitely think love is the biggest thing. But for lifetime commitment it’s not just about affection, friendship, and passion…I knew that I also wanted my husband to be someone I could be proud of. For me this is a question of character and values. My husband is educated and financially stable but even if he weren’t, I’d want him to be intellectually curious, open-minded, responsible, mature, and caring. At the end of the day, I know that these qualities in him are what will enable me to respect him, help us to face major life challenges successfully, and allow us to grow as individuals in our relationship. Of course all of these things make me love him more! And I do feel “googly” when he walks in the door. :~) But I know that is partly a factor of being newly wed and having no kids…later on, when we have less time to enjoy the romance, the other qualities are going to come into play.

 
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markyk
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markyk (message)  227 posts, Helper bee

Great post and interesting points in the book.

 
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Ms. Pyramids

Thx, Ms. P. One thing I love about weddingbee is how positive and upbeat it is. I don’t know if anyone ever goes to indiebride, but they’ve got more posts on “second thoughts” and “anxiety” than they do on picking out flowers. Most days, I want to look at flower options. Thinking about marriage, itself, when you do it honestly, is more sobering.
To be sure, what was enough for our grandparents, even some of our parents, may not be enough for us. Marriage is different, now. What is considered “feminine” and “masculine” is different. At some point a guy was masculine if he had brute strength, and today masculinity may be exemplified to many women in the form of a briefcase and the ability to sustain a meaningful relationship. Either way it’s about mutual support. We are animals, after all, and we mate for life essentially for reproductive purposes, so we look for - and stay with - good breeding partners. At some point in history, it mattered not at all whether love was involved so long as the man brought home the bacon so we could feed our young. These days, we don’t just need financial security, we also need emotional support because we’re out there in the world bringing in resources, as well. Further, the role of “father” has changed dramatically, and many of us want a sensitive guy playing that part. Partnership in the home, sharing responsibilities equally, comfort, LOVE - all are essential to many of us in this new era. I don’t mean to shake down the romance to science, since many couples will never choose to have children, but there’s a reason why human societies the world over mate for life and have throughout history, and it can be traced back to our cavemen ancestors, and the basic animal instinct to reproduce. As it so happens, I love my fiance so much that sometimes I find myself aching for confirmation of an afterlife, because there don’t seem to be enough days in this life for how much love I have for him. However, seeing my parents’ marriage fall apart because my mom was exhausted from pulling “the second shift” for a lifetime taught me that love isn’t enough. Of course, even in that circumstance, love was semantically all tangled up in it. Like, if you loved me, you would help me to take care of our children… My goodness I’m long-winded, and probably preaching to the choir anyway. Everyone here is hopefully already in-love, and the mere possibility of a marriage without love is a non-starter.

 
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Miss Sox in the City
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Miss Sox in the City (message)  285 posts, Helper bee

@Ms Potato Chips: ::salutes:: Major Buzzkill [I hope you get the HIMYM reference!]

@Miss Pudding: I would say love is our number one reason for getting married. I think one of the things that keeps us going is that we are constantly finding out new things about each other, even after years together. I think our love is reaffirmed in those little moments where you find another reason to fall in love.

 
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Natakie16
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Natakie16 (message)  861 posts, Busy bee

OMGosh, I have this book and never finished it, you just reminded me I should. It really is a fascinating book!

 
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Miss Pudding (message)  1,180 posts, Bumble bee

@Natakie16: I always have a problem finishing books, even when I like them! I find ending so disappointing…

 
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Mrs. Pudding, Greater Toronto Area/Vermont Age and Occupation: 26, High School Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Computer Engineer Engagement Date: August 2008 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: Catholic Ceremony, Cultural Hall Reception About Me: Quite literally a citizen of the world, I was born in Poland, grew up in Canada, and now live in the beautiful state of Vermont. I love reading historical biographies, multi-tasking, teasing my hair, and, despite my height, wearing high heeled shoes. I am the ultimate klutz with an uncanny ability to put on a graceful front. Mr. Pudding and I have been dating for over six years, and are very excited to finally merge our (very large) families. We are planning a traditional Polish-Catholic wedding that is anything but predictable.

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