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Mrs. Guinea Pig, Baltimore, MD Age and Occupation: 26, PhD student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Operations Director at a non-profit Engagement Date: December 25, 2008 Wedding Date: May 2010 Venue: The Chesapeake Bay Beach Club About Me: I'm a tomboy science nerd whose girly side has made a startling appearance thanks to wedding planning! I love to bake, knit and sew but I also ride a motorcycle (that Mr. Guinea Pig wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole). We live with our three crazy cats and love to read, travel, watch movies, and do home improvement projects together! My parents/family are Canadian but I'm definitely American, although I've lived in 5 different countries, 6 different states, and speak Russian fluently. Mr. GP and I met online (did I mention I'm a scientist?) and had a whirlwind romance - now we can't wait to get married & celebrate with all our friends and family in a blue and yellow waterfront affair!
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Trust

December 31st, 2009 @ 12:09 pm by Mrs. Guinea Pig

This week I found out some news about two friends of mine (a couple) that left me incredibly disappointed, and made me think about relationships, trust, and what it means to make a commitment to someone. My friends Jake & Sally *(names changed to protect the innocent and not-so-innocent) had been dating for 9 years. 9 years! When Mr. Guinea Pig and I will have known each other for 9 years we’ll have been married for 6.5 years already! Of course I say had been, because they broke up this weekend.

A little back story: Jake is one of the most straightforward, blunt, funny, hardworking guys I know. I knew him for 2.5 years without ever meeting Sally, because she was in the Peace Corps during that time. Even though she was 7,000 miles away, they made a commitment to stay together while she was gone, and Jake went over several times to vacation with Sally in Asia. In April, Sally came back from the Peace Corps and moved to Baltimore to be with Jake, at which point she and I became friends, as well. Things seemed to be going relatively fine as they got back into the swing of living in the same city (not to mention the same country, finally).

Then last week out of the blue, Sally got an email from a girl saying (I’m paraphrasing) ’Just wanted to let you know I had an emotional and physical affair with Jake from 2006 until earlier this year.’ Sally thought it was a joke - this girl said she lived on the opposite coast of Canada, for goodness sake… why would Jake have a long distance affair?!

It turns out, it was not a joke. The girl was upset that Jake had broken things off when Sally returned from abroad and was threatening him with emailing Sally if he didn’t break things off with her. Jake thought he had called Sally that night in time to tell her himself, but unfortunately he was too late. Sally was (and is still, of course) devastated. One week ago, I would have told you that Jake was one of the most honest people I knew. If you had me choose 10 friends I thought would cheat on their partner, Jake wouldn’t have been in the top 20.

It felt like a slap in the face and I wasn’t even dating him! How could this person that Mr. Guinea Pig (who is also friends with him through a sports league) and I trusted, respected and enjoyed spending time with be so dishonest to the most important person in his life for so long? The other girl even came to Baltimore to visit him (not that anyone ever saw/met her)! He went to the far reaches of Canada to visit her! They took trips to other cities together! This was no affair of convenience; she wasn’t even local. As I write this I realize I seem much too outraged at a relationship that isn’t even mine, but what I’m trying to get across is this: I thought Jake was like Mr. Guinea Pig. I would have put the same amount of trust in both of them, with regard to monogamy.

Mr. GP was not as surprised as I expected he would be when I told him the news. His response: “People do cheat, honey.” This made me even more angry! Yes, people cheat. Yes I understand that people I know, people I am friends with, can cheat. But Jake and Sally had been together for 9 years. They had come to an understanding that this was a lifelong commitment. To me, that is essentially marriage, and that is not something you mess with. Sally trusted Jake when he said he would never cheat on her (something he actually said to her face a week before she found out, making her feel awful for even bringing it up at the time). For 2 and a half years, Jake had the opportunity to say something - anything! - and break things off with Sally. He had the opportunity to say, “No,” to this other girl. He had so many chances to make things right, and he chose the least honest path. He said to Sally that he never would have told her because ’No one knew’. Uh - YOU knew, Jake! I’m struggling to explain clearly why it was so disappointing to discover all this, but I think I’ll just come out and say it bluntly. When I found out about Jake’s affair, I had a horrible thought: if Jake could do this, couldn’t Mr. Guinea Pig?

People always talk about how when they get married, they feel a sense of complete commitment from their partner. They feel like somehow ’making it legal’ is setting it in stone that if they were ever once worried their partner would cheat, now that person would never do so. Unfortunately, that is not true. Relationships are built on trust no matter your legal status, and if you have made a commitment to someone, you are responsible for upholding it. Affairs are not OK whether you are married, or not. (Gee, do you think I have a strong opinion about this?)

I am fortunate to say that I trust Mr. Guinea Pig completely. The moment that terrible question flitted through my head, I felt a calm come over me as I realized there was no way Mr. GP would ever do something so dishonest. We trust each other to be honest before we are married, and after we are married. Trust is incredibly important, and something you have to earn, but I also feel like it’s something you have to continually keep working on. I try to be conscious of showing Mr. Guinea Pig that I trust him, and that he has reason to trust me. In my opinion, this is an important part of any relationship, but is especially crucial in a marriage when you have made a lifelong commitment to work as a team and trust each others’ choices and decisions. Of course it won’t always be easy, but even though I had my fundamentals of trust rocked this week, I know that Mr. Guinea Pig and I are strong enough to always prove the trust we have in each other. And that makes me very happy.

Have you ever had a friend’s relationship make you examine your own? Do you share my strong opinion on cheating and trust? What do you think are the fundamentals in a relationship?

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cutemommie

Cheating is wrong and yes, sadly anyone is capable. Trust is a sacred thing and once its gone very hard to regain.

 
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Mrs. Cloud (message)  802 posts, Busy bee

Cheating always baffles me, it just seems like a really selfish move, especially when they think they can “get away with it”! And the balls on your friend, saying he never would have told her, that’s so much worse!
Trust is a big thing for me, I have been cheated on by different guys, once I was smart and walked away as soon as I found out, but once I also stayed for a bit before realizing I needed to go. I think the fact that I trust Mr. Cloud is a big reason I knew I was ready to marry him. I just can’t imagine not having that and always wondering and playing the what if game!

 
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pvaulter718 (message)  2,116 posts, Buzzing bee

My husband and I used to be friends with a couple who had a very disfunctional relationship. They had been married for 3 years and I don’t know if they ever had a rational discussion about anything. Instead, they would scream, fight, punch, throw things, and cry. And they hardly ever resolved anything. I say we used to be friends with them because it came to a point where I had no respect for either of them, or their relationship and we decided they were not people we wanted in our lives anymore. But, they made me realize how important a good means of communication is in a relationship.

 
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Arachna (message)  1,267 posts, Bumble bee

Yes, I think it’s important to know that just because we trust someone just because we have reason to trust someone doesn’t mean that we’re right. You can never crawl into someone’s head and heart. It is always a leap of faith to trust.

Very sad for both you and Sally, yes you weren’t in a relationship with him but he had misrepresented who he was to you and you feel betrayed.

 
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CorgiTales
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CorgiTales (message)  9,861 posts, Bee Keeper

YES I have. There is this guy that was my 2nd friend in college. He had a long distance girl friend, and he and I were roommates (with others) for two years. He was one of my best friends. His girlfriend moved to be with him here 2 years ago, and her and I became really really close. Throughout my past relationships, including a REALLY hard breakup with a long term boyfriend– THIS guy was the reason I had faith in men. There were still guys like him out there. Good, hardworking, loyal, funny, good guys.

About a year ago his girlfriend called me crying at 3am saying she thought he had cheated. I told her “If xxx cheated on you then I have lost all faith in men– he wouldn’t do that. I’m sure you’re wrong.” but I wasn’t, and he continued to cheat for another year before she finally broke up with him. If I wasn’t already with FI and knew what a great guy he was, I think it seriously would have ruined my impression of all men…. so sad.

 
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Jessie516
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Jessie516 (message)  5,480 posts, Bee Keeper

I’m so sorry to hear about this. I know I definitely share your view about trust and commitment. Trust is SO important to me and I think it’s one of the keys to a successful marriage.

 
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JeniRae (message)  1,127 posts, Bumble bee

My high school BFF was married this March. At the end of October, she called me to say her husband came home one day, said he wanted a divorce and that she was 2 months pregnant. He asked her to have an abortion (which she wouldn’t do). And she later found out he’d been having an affair with a woman 10 years older than he with 3 kids of her own. January 6th their divorce will be final; 100 days after he told her he wanted out and 9 months into their wedding.

I never saw it coming.

 
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JuneBride_26June2010
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JuneBride_26June2010 (message)  1,739 posts, Bumble bee

The most unfortunate thing about the human race is that we’re not perfect and too many people don’t have that self-control. I’m not saying that to condone what “Jake” did by ANY means - because while humans are NOT perfect - there’s also something to be said about people who live by moral standards and know right from wrong.

I am so sorry you are dealing with this and even more sorry for your friend, “Sally”…

I agree with Mrs. Cloud that cheating truly is an extremely selfish act as now he has screwed up “Sally”’s life - and the fact that this other woman was there and KNEW that the guy she was with HAD another girlfriend?? What does that say about this other chick?

I really hope your friend (Sally) finds someone she can eventually trust again and I am so very sorry your own friendship with (Jake) may be ruined forever too. Just be thankful you are confident in your relatiionship and know you’ve found someone who adheres to the same morals that you do.

 
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Ms. Library (message)  1,250 posts, Bumble bee

That’s awful! I really hope that Sally learns to heal and trust again, and that Jake learns his lesson and is truly sorry for what he has done. I also hope this other woman in Canada is sorry. Did she think about what she was doing while she had the affair? It’s not just a one person affair! I get so upset with people who are so selfish and cheat because of their own needs. What about the other person?

I am thankful I have Mr. Library and that you have Mr. GP to feel safe with. It’s just a brutal reminder that we constantly have to work on our relationships with one another.

 
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Miss Spaniel (message)  6,792 posts, Bee Keeper

“No one knew” is obviously a ridiculous perspective… not only did he know, but his other girlfriend knew, too. If he thought he was such an amazing guy that he couldn’t possibly end an affair and have the other woman react vindictively when he did, he’s not only not trustworthy, but a little insane, too.

The good news is that you don’t have to let your trust in Mr. GP waiver as a result–you knew and trusted “Jake”, but you weren’t in a relationship with him… if “Sally” asked him, she knew. He was making it clear to her, if not to you and Mr. GP, that he wasn’t trustworthy. People always, always give themselves away.

 
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di5308 (message)  382 posts, Helper bee

That is awful. I feel for Sally and can’t imagine how devastated she must be.

I’ve had a few debates about cheating in the recents weeks since the Tiger Woods debacle came to light. I could be somewhat more understanding of getting drunk and having a one night stand, but to knowingly and soberly choose to cheat on someone over and over is one of the worst things a person can do to another. At least have the balls to man up and only have one relationship at a time.

It’s so hard to describe why or how you know that your relationship will last, that your significant other won’t ever cheat, because surely everyone says those same things. But I know what you mean about having a sense of calm knowing your SO would never cheat. I feel the same way about my FI. He just wouldn’t. It wasn’t how he was raised and goes against everything he stands for.

I hope Mr GP reconsiders his friendship with this lame excuse for a man.

 
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di5308 (message)  382 posts, Helper bee

It also reminds me that the small ways that you show your morals and valuse do matter. Not giving back extra change to a cashier when you had the opportunity, and other things of the like, tells something about you and who you are. It’s important to look at those things when you’re choosing to spend your life with someone.

 
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redbullfanatic (message)  489 posts, Helper bee

Man that pisses me off and I don’t even know them. 9 years together?! I’m just shaking my head. I don’t understand why people do things like this at all.

 
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Katie

cheating does not define a person. i say that because i cheated on my previous fiance. i felt the same way about cheaters before it happened to me. cheating was symptom of a bad relationship. the person i cheated with is now my husband, we have been together for years and are now expecting our first child. he is the love of my life and i feel so blessed we found each other. i cheated for a couple months b/c i was so scared, confused and not sure if i was willing to take the plunge into the unknown or just settle down with my “comfortable” fiance. i agree it’s selfish and i still feel guilt to this day. with that said, i wouldn’t change anything. my previous fiance never knew of my infidelity. it wasn’t worth hurting him. so when i hear about cheaters now, i have a different perspective.

 
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Mrs. D'orsay (message)  2,272 posts, Buzzing bee

Oh gosh, poor Sally! I can imagine how that would shake you :( I feel awful for Sally, she made all these life decisions around someone she thought was her partner. :(

 
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Annie@MarryYouMe (message)  25 posts, Newbee

To me cheating is selfishness, pure and simple. It is a clear disregard and disrespect for your partner to cheat. That said, people aren’t perfect and make mistakes. It’s hard to say “I/my husband/partner will NEVER cheat” because well that just isn’t in your control always, but the best thing to say is “I am committed” and to find a partner who feels the same way.
My hubby has a friend, he was a groomsman in our wedding, who cheated on his fiancee a week before the wedding on his Vegas bachelor party trip which thank god, my husband did not attend. I found out, and can’t think about the guy the same way. I was so mad attending his wedding, because it felt like a sham. Lo and behold, a whole three months after they were married they are now on the rocks and spent neither Thanksgiving nor Christmas together. I just feel like a man or woman who truly wants to be getting married to their partner wouldn’t act this way.

 
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LzzNYC (message)  882 posts, Busy bee

Miss Guinea Pig you are my thinking twin (does this make sense?). I am similarly outraged when I hear about cheating (physical or emotional). One of my best friends just went though a similar situation .. not 9 years but 3 (thankfully?). I felt the same type of betrayal on my part even though I wasn’t in the relationship. I didn’t want to upset her even further so I kept quiet but I would come home to my husband and cry. It’s a VERY selfish act - the damages are severe. (sorry I have a very strong view on this) I hope your friend Sally is doing well. She needs friends like you at this time.

 
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Miss Pug (message)  3,753 posts, Honey bee

i’m really sorry about this. i hope sally gets through this okay–which i’m sure she will with great friends like you. i can understand how this was devastating for you to find out, and it certainly does make someone thing about trust and relationships.

as for me, i have been exposed to too many stories about people cheating, people who have been married for decards. i’m somewhat jaded about it–while of course i would never want anything like that to happen to me and mr. pug, and i would be completely devastated, i can’t 100% guarantee that it won’t happen. i know that’s kind of cynical and i don’t really tell that to mr. pug, but that’s how i feel.

 
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Miss Pug (message)  3,753 posts, Honey bee

decades, clearly. i mean, what the hell is a decard.

 
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Miss Pug (message)  3,753 posts, Honey bee

yeah, it’s me again. just wanted to add that if it did happen–i wouldn’t be like “oh yeah i was expecting that!” part of me would die. knowing it happens doesn’t mean that it’s okay. it’s extremely hurtful.

@Katie: thanks for speaking up, it’s always good to hear different perspectives.

 
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Mrs. Guinea Pig, Baltimore, MD Age and Occupation: 26, PhD student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Operations Director at a non-profit Engagement Date: December 25, 2008 Wedding Date: May 2010 Venue: The Chesapeake Bay Beach Club About Me: I'm a tomboy science nerd whose girly side has made a startling appearance thanks to wedding planning! I love to bake, knit and sew but I also ride a motorcycle (that Mr. Guinea Pig wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole). We live with our three crazy cats and love to read, travel, watch movies, and do home improvement projects together! My parents/family are Canadian but I'm definitely American, although I've lived in 5 different countries, 6 different states, and speak Russian fluently. Mr. GP and I met online (did I mention I'm a scientist?) and had a whirlwind romance - now we can't wait to get married & celebrate with all our friends and family in a blue and yellow waterfront affair!

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