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Mrs. Pencils, Washington DC/Frederick, MD Age and Occupation: 24, Program Director, Education Non Profit Fiance's Age and Occupation: 24, Administrative Assistant, Ocean Conservation Non Profit Engagement Date: July 26, 2008 Wedding Date: May 2010 Venue: Morningside Inn About Me: I'm a nerdy Northwestern girl who always knew she was meant to live in the East, harboring a deep love of ice cream, underwear, Diet Coke with a splash of Coca-Cola, pashminas, scrapbooking, stationery, wall calendars and books written for preteens. I think every day should include good thin crust pizza, chocolate, an obscure historical monument, lots of laughter, a dash of wedding planning and, of course, amazing Mr. Pencils! I'm loving the adventure of planning a Maryland wedding and Rocky Mountain reception, and most of all, I just love love!
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A number of blog posts about financial planning after marriage led to a pretty great decision for the Pencils this past fall. Before, I would have said, “joint everything or nothing” because that’s how my parents did it and it works for them.

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I forgot to remember that what works for one couple doesn’t always translate to success for all. For example, me and Mr. Pencils.

See, I used to think that having a separate personal account meant that there were secrets to keep, and I thought that if a husband and wife didn’t share everything, they would lack trust. Don’t judge—I was worried that if Mr. Pencils and I had separate accounts, it might make it all that easier for one of us to have an indiscretion!

On the seven-hour long drive back from North Carolina where we spent Thanksgiving with Mama and Papa Pencils, I was perusing wedding blogs and stumbled across this post by Ms. Spaniel. I mentioned it to Mr. P and I read it aloud to him (he was driving—I’m such a slacker and made him drive both ways!). It began one of the best conversations we have had as a couple, and that’s saying a lot, as we have been dating for nearly 6 years!

Right now we have a joint checking account that we both deposit a certain amount into to cover our joint bills—the mortgage, cell phone, cable and electricity. But I also have a separate checking and savings and Mr. Pencils has a separate checking and stock market account (those have a special name but my lack of any econ courses in college prevents me from remembering). It’s a lot to think about whether we should keep all of those or get rid of all of them.

Also, as I previously mentioned, I knew what I thought. Or, I thought I knew! After Ms. Spaniel’s post, and then following up by reading 2,000 Dollar Bride’s thoughts, I was confused and pretty turned around. My mindset around what a trusting relationship regarding money was all topsy turvy. I began to think that it made sense to keep some semblance of independence and to have my own money to go out to dinner, or buy some new underwear, or get a pedicure.

Mr. Pencils agreed. What made the conversation a best yet? How quickly we agreed and came up with a plan! I present to you, our post-wedding, same-name budget plan!

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It’s OK to be jealous of my mad Paint skillz.

Confused? Let me explain. Each month, both of our paychecks will be deposited into a joint saving account that we will have laid out priorities for (like a vacation, a home improvement, or a cool adventure). Then, we’ll take only what we need for our monthly expenses—mortgage and all that, but also my student loans, my car payment, our vet’s fees, etc.—and put that into our joint checking. We’ll also include a monthly “allowance” if you will that we each will then put into our personal checking account. This way, Mr. Pencils really can buy a new video game without “asking my permission” and I don’t have to feel guilty for a bit of splurging on new makeup! It’s definitely in line with what the 2,000 Dollar Bride recommends, but with a few less accounts.

We’re pretty excited by this plan and can’t believe how easy it was to talk about. We realized that if we had waited until after the wedding to discuss it, we could have been putting ourselves into a potentially frustrating or even upsetting situation—what if we completely disagreed about fundamental things like money but didn’t know it? I sincerely believe every couple should have the hard conversations about money, communication styles, plans for the futures and kids before you tie the knot. Having these kinds of conversations with Mr. Pencils has only brought us closer together, and cemented the knowledge that we truly are meant to be a family.

What difficult conversations have you had with your SO? Are you avoiding one in particular? How have you arranged your finances for post-wedding bliss?

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31 Responses to “Finances, Savings, and Expenses Oh My!”

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Miss Pug
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Miss Pug (message)  3,753 posts, Honey bee

i think finances are definitely important to talk about–they bring up important issues besides just the money. i think you guys came up with a great plan.

 
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Katieandtony

I think the most important thing is to have a plan that you both agree on. My fiance & I both read Dave Ramsey’s Total Money Makeover and agreed to follow his plan. We combine our accounts but do most of our spending using cash envelopes. Each month we each have an envelope with an agreed upon (& equal) amount of “fun money”, we also have a joint “fun money” envelope. So far, this is working great for us!

 
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Miss Pretzel
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Miss Pretzel (message)  1,893 posts, Buzzing bee

Sharp pencils you two! (sorry I couldn’t resist!) Mr P and I have talked at length and I think we have a plan- but come to think of it maybe we should diagram it out like you did.

 
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redherring (message)  1,969 posts, Buzzing bee

My fiance and I intend to do the exact same thing that you’re doing, with the caveat that if something needs to come out of Joint Checking/Savings that hasn’t been pre-determined (i.e. furniture, emergency vet fees, emergency car repairs, etc), it needs to be approved by both of us if it’s greater than [an amount we've yet to set in stone].

 
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CHK (message)  597 posts, Busy bee

We talked about it early on, and are doing the same as you, just in reverse. Paychecks will be deopsited to our individual accounts, and we’ll transfer over a specified amount to pay for joint bills and savings goals.

Man, money can be an emotional subject, huh!?

 
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Allyn

Plus this way if you ever wanted to buy him a present and keep it a secret he wouldn’t have to see that you spent $75 at game stop and wonder why

 
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MissClementine
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MissClementine (message)  42 posts, Newbee

Love the idea! Mr. Clementine and I have talked about this too. We originally were going to go with the multiple accounts, but then we thought it may get complicated….we still don’t have a firm plan, but our latest idea is a joint checking account, with my IRA, his savings and then we each will get a monthly cash allowance, that way when the money is spent, it’s spent!!

So many things to think about!!

 
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Miss Rainbow (message)  1,535 posts, Bumble bee

We do basically the same thing, but a wee bit different. We have everything joint- one joint savings, one joint checking. Every month we withdraw a certain amount of money, from checking, split it, and that’s our “allowance” for the month. We keep our allowances strictly in cash, because it too easy for us to lose track and overspend if we use our debit cards. Plus, that way we don’t have to keep track of multiple accounts!

 
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Ms. Library
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Ms. Library (message)  1,250 posts, Bumble bee

I’m on the same wave length. I always thought that we would share everything, but then I heard more about what different couples did, so we had to talk about it. I think we will have a joint checking and savings for our budgets, and then with any extra jobs/money we have after the bills and paid and saved, we will have our own fun funds. Hopefully it will work!

 
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Miss Pencils (message)  1,027 posts, Bumble bee

@Miss Pug:haha thanks! :)
@Katieandtony: thanks for the book recommend!
@Miss Pretzel: har har! I’m sure you can make anything that would be much more attractive that my brown diagram…the heck I choose brown for?
@redherring: some of our amounts remain undetermined as well!
@CHK: it really can!
@Allyn: LOL I love that you said gamestop! haha, that’s exactly right!
@MissClementine: it is a lot to think about! thank goodness we had a seven hour drive, lol!
@Miss Rainbow:I am thinking this may be a good idea… Mr. P is good at budgets but I…I tend to “not notice” eep!
@Ms. Library: I think you’re plan sounds great!

 
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Mrs. Mouse
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Mrs. Mouse (message)  5,844 posts, Bee Keeper

Congrats on having what could have been a tough conversation. Sounds like you guys have a good plan! We’re still working on combining finances (even though we’ve owned a house together for over a year!), and it’s tough! We both have different money management techniques, so we’re definitely still figuring things out.

 
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West Coast Bride (message)  708 posts, Busy bee

Thanks for furthering the discussion on levels of combining! We have separate checking accounts and join savings and retirement accounts. It’s funny how our upbringings and examples from other couples play against our own values, hey? Why would it make sense that having everything joint would create more trust? I know Mr. West Coast feels trusted by the fact that we openly discuss how we’re going to manage our money, and then I leave him to do his part no questions asked. That takes trust!

 
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Miss Pencils (message)  1,027 posts, Bumble bee

@Mrs. Mouse: I hope you get it figured out! Mr. P and I have dif styles too!
@West Coast Bride: very well put- you’re exactly right!

 
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KMSull (message)  6,442 posts, Bee Keeper

We’re keeping separate accounts for our “allowance” but most everything else will go into a joint checking/ savings account for everything else.

 
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tea
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tea (message)  7,288 posts, Bee Keeper

this is something i’m looking forward to discussing with the bf hopefully soon!

 
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Miss Cardigan
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

That sounds similar to what we plan on doing…we still need to sit down and hammer out all of the details, though!

 
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Miss Pencils (message)  1,027 posts, Bumble bee

@KMSull: same same! I hate calling it “allowance” too. some other ‘bees above use “fun money” and I think I like it :)
@tea: have fun! it’s sort of stressful but feels great when it’s resolved!
@amanda.lynn: good luck and have fun! i’d recommend a bottle of wine for an easy flowing convo lol

 
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Miss Nachos
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Miss Nachos (message)  1,733 posts, Bumble bee

First off I must say, you are a whiz on MS Paint. Kudos to your mad skillz. :)

Second, for us, combining would be a little difficult cause we handle our money totally differently but it completely works for us. So we opened a debit account for the wedding and plan on keeping that for combined savings. And so far so good!

 
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mikan
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mikan (message)  209 posts, Helper bee

Sounds like a great system. We had discussed this once and need to have a more in-depth conversation, but our system sounded about the same except having the paychecks go into the checking account first, and then set up auto-transfers to the savings account, since the savings account has a limited amount of debits per month allowed.

We are also not sure if we should be keeping the personal checking linked with personal savings for overdraft protection?

How do you handle individual monthly expenses such as, if one person has commuting costs (train, bridge toll), that aren’t a shared expense. Joint checking? Personal checking?

 
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daniellemybelle
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daniellemybelle (message)  2,520 posts, Sugar bee

Thanks for sharing your plan! FI and I have talked about doing in reverse as others have mentioned (deposit checks into personal accounts, then transfer to joint savings and checking) but we never thought to do it the way you are. I really like it, mainly because the order in which you do things shows how you prioritize your money. Also, I think having a designated amount of allowance/fun money is more equal than taking money out of your checks and leaving the rest in your checking account. FI and I are trying to figure out how to handle our disparate incomes (mine will likely be about $42 a year since I have a journalism degree) so I think your system makes sense!

 
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Mrs. Pencils, Washington DC/Frederick, MD Age and Occupation: 24, Program Director, Education Non Profit Fiance's Age and Occupation: 24, Administrative Assistant, Ocean Conservation Non Profit Engagement Date: July 26, 2008 Wedding Date: May 2010 Venue: Morningside Inn About Me: I'm a nerdy Northwestern girl who always knew she was meant to live in the East, harboring a deep love of ice cream, underwear, Diet Coke with a splash of Coca-Cola, pashminas, scrapbooking, stationery, wall calendars and books written for preteens. I think every day should include good thin crust pizza, chocolate, an obscure historical monument, lots of laughter, a dash of wedding planning and, of course, amazing Mr. Pencils! I'm loving the adventure of planning a Maryland wedding and Rocky Mountain reception, and most of all, I just love love!

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