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Dichotomy.

February 5th, 2010 @ 3:20 pm by Mrs. French Fries

A few days ago, I was reading through my feed reader’s section of wedding blogs. I’ve culled this section quite a bit recently, as I’m out of the “inspiration” stage of wedding planning and into the nitty-gritty details. One blog that I’ve kept around, though, is A Practical Wedding.

So. What’s the point of all this? Well, a few days ago, she posted a blog titled, “Wedding Sexism (This Time, It’s For Men)”. Without hijacking her post, the gist of the blog is that (and I quote): “…our culture demands that while the wedding day is our EVERYTHING the wedding day is the groom’s NOTHING. Or worse, it’s a trial he has to slog through to keep his woman happy.” Hmm. I’ve been rolling this around in my head for a few days, and I have to say… I have come to realize that there’s a lot of pressure on guys to be uninvolved in the wedding planning process. Granted, not every guy succumbs to this pressure (Mr. FF included), but it’s definitely lurking.

Take, for example, the reaction of one vendor when Mr. FF showed up at an appointment of ours. She was simply astonished that not only would A) a groom show up to an appointment but B) have an opinion on what the meeting was about! I mean… imagine! A groom that actually cares about what is being planned and how our money is being spent! He’s obviously a rare breed!

This might sound like an exaggeration, but I assure you, it is not.

She mentioned several times throughout the meeting that she couldn’t believe that a groom was there, and questioned why he wasn’t at home watching the basketball game that was on TV that night. Further, she kept deferring to me with every question she asked. “How do you feel about this, Miss FF?” I would respond by first asking Mr. FF what he thought, trying to impress upon her that this wasn’t solely my decision, but she persisted. “Okay, Miss FF… if you’re comfortable with that, we can move on to the next topic.” Um, right.

Because it was a somewhat awkward situation, we played along and did the whole “Ha! Yeah, he actually cares! How crazy, hey?” thing, but in retrospect, I wish we wouldn’t have. Why shouldn’t his opinion matter just as much as mine? We’re going into this as partners, and while there are certain things that he honestly does not care about (what dress I picked out, for example) there are several that he does care about. And he shouldn’t be shamed into the position of the go-with-the-flow, show-up-and-smile groom.

Point numero dos: men are as much to blame for this perpetuation of wedding stereotypes as women. How many times is a woman referred to as a “ball and chain” once a man is married, or a “bridezilla” if she gets upset during the wedding process? “Look out,” they warn. “This is just the beginning!” So often, men are told (by other men!) to just stay out of the way and let the bride do what she wants. They’re informed that they are little more than a “glorified hood ornament” to the wedding.

Another post entirely could be devoted about the “rite of passage” that is a man’s bachelor party compared to a woman’s bachelorette party. Mrs. Penguin has already written a great post about the disparity between these parties. Check it out!

For men, a bachelor party is celebrating a man’s “last night out”. Invitations are sent with a tone of condolences to the groom. “It is with a sad heart that I write this to all of you… it appears that the wedding plans are now in motion and all we can do at this point is get out of the way. There is, however, one ray of hope that comes with any wedding. That is, my friends, the bachelor party.” I realize that there is a good amount of roasting that is done before and during bachelor festivities, and that it’s just joking around and in good fun. But…

What if the roles were reversed and this was the message that brides were given before their bachelorette parties? “It’s all over for poor Sally! She’s hitching her wagon to Ted for the rest of her life, so we better get in while the getting’s good … she’s not going to have a life after this!” It’s an interesting dichotomy, to say the least.

I realize that I have made generalizations in this post, and that obviously this does not apply to everyone. At this point, however, I will turn it over to you: what do you feel about gender stereotypes in wedding planning? Have you experienced this first hand? How do you feel about the differences between how men and women approach “the wedding”: the planning, the parties, and the event itself?

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Miss Sewing (message)  2,701 posts, Sugar bee

that’s an interesting thing to think about. I’ll have to ask mr. sew what he thinks, but I haven’t noticed any stereotyping so far, and he’s a very very involved groom.

 
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Headuh
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Headuh (message)  204 posts, Helper bee

Same thing with my FI, she is very very very involved. At first we joked and called him “Groomzilla” but now that we are nearing the end of planning, im so glad I have a partner in this.

 
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gill84
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gill84 (message)  725 posts, Busy bee

What great food for thought. I thin I’ll be discussing this with the FI tonight. I’m not sure yet where we are on this spectrum. Also thanks for linking ‘A Practical Wedding’. Looks like it might join Weddingbee on my list of daily wedding blogs ;)

 
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TexicanMexican
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TexicanMexican (message)  104 posts, Blushing bee

i noticed some vendors having a similar attitude to the one you met with. when i was researching DOCs, i came across the website of one that looked promising. then, i read a blog post she’d written about bringing fiances to wedding expos. she advised to let the fiance focus on a ‘little thing’ that didn’t matter, so you could get him out of the way while the bride could do actual business. how would that sound if the roles were reversed? anyone who had that kind of attitude was not someone we wanted to work with!

 
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AprilBride10
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AprilBride10 (message)  528 posts, Busy bee

The reason we picked our venue was partially because the manager was the only person we had seen so far who talked to my FI, asked his opinion, and included him in conversation - imagine that! Yes, I’m the main point of contact for our vendors (b/c I do event planning for work and can dissect a contract like nobody’s business) but, we’ve booked them all together. These a major financial decisions we’re making as a couple, why wouldn’t he be involved?

 
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Miss Nachos
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Miss Nachos (message)  1,733 posts, Bumble bee

Mr. Nachos has been right next to me throughout the whole planning. Obviously some little things like bedazzling my flip flops didn’t matter to him, but we’ve planned together all of the big stuff. That’s kinda how we’ve always approached things, not just wedding related and it’s works well. There is no reason the groom shouldn’t be involved.

 
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Keladry
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Keladry (message)  294 posts, Helper bee

We’ve definitely tried to avoid this being MY day instead of our day. My fiance has had plenty of input on just about everything, and when we email vendors, I make sure to say things like ‘my fiance and i think…’ or ‘we want to set up a meeting’, just so they have it in their mind that it’s not just me, it’s both of us. so far, we haven’t had any shocking looks from any vendors, so it’s probably working. ;)

 
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Miss Britt
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Miss Britt (message)  915 posts, Busy bee

I’ve met with a couple different vendors with my FI and the enitre time, they ask questions only to me. They barely even look at him. During the meeting with our florist, my FI even whipped out his blackberry and started checking work email. I later told him, I did not appreciate that. But in his defense, I don’t think she looked his way one time after we sat down.

I think it is an interesting dichotomy and as controlling as I am about wedding decisions, I wish the stereotype that men don’t care and a wedding is a womans job to plan would just disappear.

Interesting post FF, thank you!

 
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Megan

I LOVE A Practical Wedding! I have a very involved groom and I’m constantly reminding vendors and family members that it’s our day, not mine.

I can’t stand the gender roles and gender expectations in our society.

 
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bunny (message)  1,177 posts, Bumble bee

I wish that I’d paid more attention to Mr. Bunny during the planning process. Sure it might have made some things harder , but I think we both would have been happier in the long run.
I think I might have to write a post about this. I loved our wedding, but I would do the whole thing differently now.

 
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hungrybruno
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hungrybruno (message)  28 posts, Newbee

I want to Nth the love for A Practical Wedding, I always feel better after reading it. I’m in the very early stages and my fiance is constantly asking me what he can do to help. I would be happy to give something up, except for… I’m kind of a control freak. I also tend to have more down time to do the research about vendors online, so I’m doing most of the early legwork.

He came with me to meet the venue coordinator and caterer, and when we waffled about the expense, his endorsement sealed it for me. I’m glad we talked it out together, and I hope the rest of our planing works the same way.

 
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Miss Frozen Yogurt (message)  2,685 posts, Sugar bee

Wow, this is a great post! Mr. fro yo has not been involved at all, and it’s totally been his choice. It’s like pulling teeth to get him to do anything, so I stopped asking. I realized that there are things he needs to be included in (budget decisions) and things he doesn’t (flower decisions) and that works for us.

 
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LovestheBear
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LovestheBear (message)  1,250 posts, Bumble bee

It’s a really interesting post–thanks for bringing it up! To be honest, he would be very happy leaving the details to me. And if he wasn’t slated to be deployed for the greater part of our engagement, I wouldn’t let him get away with it. He has opinions and there are things that matter to him, but I think it’s more that he doesn’t realize the opportunity he is missing by staying quiet.

 
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KCheer
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KCheer (message)  370 posts, Helper bee

I agree, a great post…my FI has been semi-involved, but again, I agree, sometimes it is like pulling teeth to get him moving on any wedding task!

And I TOTALLY agree on the bachelor v. b-ette party disparity! I just got into this argument with FI since the invite email was sent to “da boys”…which mentioned something about figuring out the pros and cons of getting married. Though it was obviously a joke, I doubt that is even a topic that would come up at most b-ette parties!

(Sorry bees - had to get that out…)

 
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MissDoodles
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MissDoodles (message)  206 posts, Helper bee

Your vendor story reminded me of a time I went shopping for a tv for myself. I was with my BF and the salesguy directed every question to my BF, despite me emphasizing the tv was for me and I was buying it. Even my BF started making comments like “hey ask her shes the one buying it”. I finally got so fed up when it came to them trying to sell my BF the extra insurance I practically yelled right in the guys face no IIIII do not want to buy that. That sorta thing makes me so angry.

While I’m not *officially* engaged, both my BF and I are actively planning together. We make all the major decisions together. He is also all about our stop motion video invitation, while I’m all about the design of things. He is definitely an active groom, but at the same time I don’t feel like either one of us is taking over the whole process.

 
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LittleLynx
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LittleLynx (message)  280 posts, Helper bee

I’ve definitely noticed this! My Mr. definitely wants to be involved, but I know he keeps getting these discouraging comments left and right - from my mom, from vendors, from his family. I just find it weird that people think that way… it’s our marriage, not just mine! Plus I feel like that’s a lot of pressure for one person! We do everything else as a team, why not plan our wedding together?

 
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Teaserama
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Teaserama (message)  236 posts, Helper bee

It was so funny reading this. I am nodding my head and going, Exactly! Exactly! During this whole process, my FI was under the impression.. there were ahem “certain rules”. He would say, “We can’t do that.. b/c well b/c!” And I would say why not? Or why can’t I? It is our wedding, and I would ask his advice and he’d be all w/e about it. He told me once that it was my JOB to do it alone. That I had my mother and sister’s help and thats all I needed. I almost exploded all over the poor dimwit. “I am not marrying my SISTER, I am not marrying my MOTHER. You and me babes.. we are doing it. We are paying for it. This is our little shindig.” This shocked him needless to say. You mean I you want my help? I am included. Well yes lovey, you are! He even went to say that his only job was to stand there and repeat after the Priest. Psha! As if, and now I sound like I belong in Clueless. Well I feel slightly bad, because as it goes my hubby to be is traditional, as traditional gets. I keep shaking his wedding beliefs to the core. Of course I am not wearing white, not taking out my piercings, not wanting a religious ceremony… don’t get me started on the garter toss, and bouquet toss, and if I could have my way without hurting my Dad’s feelings I would walk by myself. Oh did I ever get called a “Bridezilla” because I didn’t want to follow tradition, and since I was paying I didn’t have to. It isn’t fair, that grooms are pushed aside, and because you want to be yourself you are a bridezilla. I hope when my kid gets married it will be better for her/him. I think this industry needs a wake up and a change. Ok.. I am gonna stop, because I could rant all day. But I am just going to continue to nod and say EXACTLY! To what your preaching missy!

 
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Rachael

We haven’t met with many vendors, but my FI did come with me to our first venue site, and the lady never mentioned anything about him being there.

I’m totally with you on the bachelor/bachelorette party thing. I wanted to have a joint party, but Mr. M says “YOU get a bridal shower, what do I get??” and I said “umm you want a groom’s shower? what would you do???” It’s almost like we’re in a competition to make sure this is a 50/50 deal, not 60/40, 70/30 even 45/55! It has been really frustrating, but after nearly 6 years with my Mister, he deserves as much partying as he wants haha.

 
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Moody (message)  113 posts, Blushing bee

Doh, I forgot to login! That’s me in the above post :)

 
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An

I totally understand and got this a lot in the beginning of our engagement too. In fact, most of the men in his familiy would tell him things like “All you have to do is show up”… it put a strain on us at first until we talked about it and i made it clear that his opinion does matter… a LOT! We’re both paying for this and we do everything together normally - why would wedding planning be any different? My arguement is that the people whose husbands weren’t involved in the planning, are like that everyday with normal stuff… Things like shopping, home decor etc… Their husbands leave the decisions up to them, which works for some people… but we make our decisions together - wedding related or not <3

 
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Mrs. French Fries, Milwaukee Age and Occupation: 27, Paralegal Fiance's Age and Occupation: 35, Investments Advisor Engagement Date: September 20, 2008 Wedding Date: June 2010 Venue: Ceremony: Catholic Church, Reception: Hotel Ballroom About Me: I'm a Midwestern girl who longs to live in a warmer climate (my feet would be happy in flip flops any day!). I love travel, impromptu napping, grilled cheese sandwiches, my iPhone, singing with reckless abandon in my car, and Mr. French Fries.

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