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Mrs. Pug, New York City/Half Moon Bay, CA Age and Occupation: 33, Lawyer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 32, ditto Engagement Date: July 2008 Wedding Date: March 2010 Venue: Ritz-Carlton, Half Moon Bay About Me: The Mr. and I are two 30-somethings who enjoy tasty sweets of all kinds, our neighborhood wine store, and cuddling with our pug. NYC is where we live and the city we love, but we’re doing the deed out in Northern California. We are trying to keep the affair small, intimate, and manageable. Our motto is: the less people, the better! (I’m kidding.)
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What Cooking a Pug Taught Us

February 8th, 2010 @ 1:35 pm by Mrs. Pug

No, we didn’t really cook a pug. But what does this:

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… have to do with our relationship? (that was about as far as I could get this terrified pug into a pot—oops)

I’m Korean American, and Mr. Pug is Ukrainian/Polish/Euromix Caucasian. Whatever. The point being that I’m a person of color (some people don’t like that label, so insert whatever you please), and Mr. Pug is not.

Even in this day and age where one would hope that society is color-blind, that’s wishful thinking—not that we haven’t come a long way. In addition—and this is obvious—there is something about having walked your whole life in *your* shoes that shapes your experiences partly because of how people treat you—overtly, subtly, consciously and unconsciously. This contributes to who you are as a person, and no one can really understand that.

It’s akin to the difference many people perceive regarding the gender divide. While parts of our society have greatly advanced in breaking down gender barriers, any person will tell you that it’s just different when you’ve walked around as a man/woman your whole life.

Anyway, where am I going with this? Mr. Pug and I had had the occasional race conversation here and there, but nothing too earth-shattering. A few years ago, he unexpectedly learned a little of what walking in my shoes was like.

We were traveling on the subway to the airport for the Thanksgiving holiday. I had my pug in a carrier on my lap, and she was poking her head out. Mr. Pug was sitting in a different part of the crowded subway car, across the aisle from me.

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(okay, these are 2 pugs, and not on a subway, but imagine the one on the left being by herself in a carrier, on my lap, in the subway)

There were two men standing by the doors, closer to Mr. Pug. They looked at me and my pug and said something between themselves and chuckled. I assumed they were amused, as many people are, by the sight of our pug.

When we got off the train, Mr. Pug walked quickly to me to take my hand, with a look of concern on his face. He said, “Honey, I think I know how you feel.” He explained that the two men, whose conversation Mr. Pug could overhear, were saying something like:

Man #1: Hey, look at that Asian lady with the dog.
Man #2: Oh yeah, over there.
Man #1: Uh oh, I hope that dog knows that it’s going to be Thanksgiving dinner!
Man #2: [Laughs]

I don’t remember the exact words, but it was very clear to Mr. Pug that they made the joke because I’m Asian, and the stereotype about Asian people eating dogs. They snickered and laughed, while Mr. Pug sat there, offended and hurt. By the way, not that this means one thing or another (it did to me), but the two men were police officers.

Those few lines really shook Mr. Pug. He felt he got a glimpse through a window at the stereotypes that some people make and direct my way. It helped him better understand my experience.

Granted, this doesn’t mean that Mr. Pug totally understands what it means to be a person of color, the same way I don’t understand exactly what it means to be a white man. Also granted, the subway exchange was a fairly overt act of racial/ethnic stereotyping, and not necessarily the nuanced treatment that occurs more frequently and can have a larger part in shaping who you are.

Nevertheless, in a way I’m glad it happened. Anything that can help me and Mr. Pug understand each other better is a good thing.

Has there been any experience in your relationship that has allowed you to walk in your partner’s shoes and helped you learn something?

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50 Responses to “What Cooking a Pug Taught Us”

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Miss Spaniel (message)  6,792 posts, Bee Keeper

Wow…. I don’t think I can say what I think of those police officers here.

 
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Miss Hamster (message)  4,045 posts, Honey bee

:( I hate when stuff like that happens! It always takes me by surprise too, since NYC is so multi-cultural.

Our relationship has definitely been eye-opening for both me and Mr. Hammy - I’m used to being in the minority as an Asian woman, but in Singapore, where he’s from, Asians are in the majority. Neither of us can fathom the other’s experience.

 
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marcam882 (message)  296 posts, Helper bee

My fiance and I are of the same ethnicity, however I’m much more fair skinned than he is. People who assume that I’m not Latino think that we are a biracial couple. While there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, it’s just not how we identify ourselves since we identify more by our ethnicity than race. Well, I can’t tell you how many times we’ve gotten dirty looks from men and women who don’t like what they see when they walk down the street. I think it wasn’t until college where he started to understand that while he has experienced racism, I’ve also experienced that plus prejudice from people of “our own culture”. A couple of our mutual friends from college, upon first meeting me, were astounded that I spoke Spanish, raised will all the traditions that they had. They assumed that I wasn’t as Latino as they were because I happen to be fair skin. Being together for over 8 years has made us much more conscience of the importance people can place on race in this country and in turn, being more understanding when either of us is upset about something that happens.

 
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what2bee (message)  229 posts, Helper bee

I honestly think that the street goes both ways. I have every flavor of different in my family, so maybe I don’t understand what you’re talking about, I do believe in stereotypes, but I don’t judge individuals by them- I’m sure if any good-hearted person took the time to know someone they would judge that person by their true qualities, not the stereotype- I seriously doubt that those two men thought you were going to cook your dog. It was just a joke.

 
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Miss Snapdragon (message)  717 posts, Busy bee

@what2bee: “Jokes” like that are indicative of someone who does not respect that the object of their “joke” is a human being. It’s not a true joke meant to uplift and spread humor, but to degrade and dehumanize. A true joke does not exist at the expense of someone’s personhood.

 
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MissClementine (message)  42 posts, Newbee

I completely see where you are coming from! I am bi-racial (my mom is Caucasian, my dad is African American), but my experience growing up was very unique! My parents NEVER made race an issue, and I grew up thinking my situation was as normal as the next. I have always (for whatever reason) dated Caucasian men, and have had many friends and family members assume that I am not attracted to men of other ethinic backgrounds, which is not the case. It’s hurtful when people tell me I am “more white” than black because of this. I love all people and find beauty in every race. I think I’m more aware of my ethnicity now than ever, but I only hope that my kids (if they come along) can grow up in the same way I did, oblivious to anything but the love of all people.

 
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Osakagrl (message)  761 posts, Busy bee

I experience this time to time also. Im Caucasian and my Husband is Japanese. I HATE when people look down on us, and say that americans shouldnt marry Japanese. It just doesnt work etc etc to many culture differences blah blah. Its hurtful and totally untrue :\

 
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Miss Frozen Yogurt (message)  2,685 posts, Sugar bee

Aww, Miss Pug that makes me really sad to hear. You are a funny, sweet person. I’m glad that Mr. Pug was able to take a walk in your shoes, at least momentarily, to further his understanding of your life, but I’m sorry you had to endure that.

 
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ejs4y8 (message)  14,581 posts, Bee Keeper

Ugh, people. Sadly, I think they do eat dog in some cultures but certainly not in America.

Back where I lived in Cali, asians were the predominant race. Us “mixes” were heavily stereotyped against and called all kinds of weird and rude things. DH doesn’t get it–he’s like “but you’re so white!” and i’m like “no…not everywhere” ha. He still doesn’t believe me that my mom and I weren’t allowed to use a restroom in Arkansas b/c we weren’t 100% white.

Meh, gotta live outside the box some. I’m sure it was just a harmless joke, though, albeit a rude one =(. Just be grateful you live in a place like NYC where it’s far more rare for you to experience this than, say, portions of the south and midwest!

 
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moderndaisy (message)  6,607 posts, Bee Keeper

Pug, first of all your doggies are so adorable!! I love the humor of putting her in the casserole dish, what a cutie! Second, that is absolutely awful what happened. I agree with Snappy, they were most likely trying to degrade and dehumanize as they probably are dealing with many insecurities of their own.

PM me if you need a dog sitter - we watch plenty of friends dogs all the time when they go out of town and I live next to the dog run!

 
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mander411 (message)  735 posts, Busy bee

Sometimes it does take witnessing a situation like that towards somone you love to ‘get’ it. I’m blessed to come from a very accepting family and have relatives that are Japanese, Mexican, and Jewish even though I’m the White Catholic one. I would have never thought this before, but some of the most ignorant an unaccepting people I know are from NYC (I’m far from saying all are of course, I know that’s not the case, just stating my experience).

 
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Miss Sewing (message)  2,701 posts, Sugar bee

grr that makes me mad! good thing you included those cute pug pictures to soften it up! it’s astounding to me how people can still be so ignorant, especially in a big diverse city like ny! i get really mad when people stereotype mr. sew, like asking if he’s my exchange student. lol. but it goes both ways, because I also get mad when people pass me a fork at an asian restaurant, assuming I can’t use chopsticks. good intentions aside (not that those officers had good intentions at all!), sometime’s its best never to assume anything!

 
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hilsy85 (message)  3,680 posts, Sugar bee

I have to say, I’m surprised at the comments encouraging Miss Pug to take this incident as “just a joke”. I see absolutely nothing funny about it, especially coming from police officers, who I would hope have received extra training in cultural awareness and sensitivity, since they interact with people from various racial/cultural/socio-economic backgrounds in tense situations.

There’s no excuse for making a blatantly racist joke like that. And it’s not harmless–I’m sure it hurt both Mr. and Miss Pug’s feelings. Plus, if another person heard them saying that, that person might feel justified in their own racist beliefs because, after all, if police officers feel that way, it can’t be completely wrong (considering police officers are supposed to be good moral examples…guess not!).

Anyway, Miss Pug, I’m sorry that situation took place…but like you said, the silver lining is Mr. Pug gaining more understanding of what your experience is like.

 
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shushu1208 (message)  1,296 posts, Bumble bee

I’m sorry that happened! We’ve had similar things happen to us too. I am Chinese American, and my FI is a mix of Russian and everything European. We were walking together one day on campus and some lady knocked into us (when there was clearly plenty of room to walk around) and mumbled some choice racists slurs about me in addition to calling my FI names for even being with me. It was as you said though… Even though the experience was hurtful, we did end up understanding each other and became much closer as a result!

 
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commoshin (message)  180 posts, Blushing bee

First of all, I’d like to clear something up:
While eating adorable pets is not ok in American culture, in some cultures, eating certain animals like dogs and guinea pigs is normal. But no one is killing Rover or Fluffy for dinner, they breed animals to be eaten, just like cows and pigs are bred here to be eaten. That being said, I’m a vegetarian. =)

I am so grateful for your post! I am also Korean American marrying a white protestant male. He fully understands that he has the biggest upper hand there is (he is also tall, attractive, outgoing, and smart… lucky duck) but it’s still difficult for him to grasp what it means to be marrying someone who is both fully Korean and fully American. While we both grew up in America, our experiences were so different! It’s difficult to navigate through the cultural landscapes of our relationship and sometimes, I honestly get tired, but love conquers all, no?

Awesome post!

 
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spaganya (message)  2,289 posts, Buzzing bee

while i really do think those officers didnt mean any harm, i know where you are coming from.

im black (mix of black, native american, and irish) and my FH is white (polish/irish). and while we dont usually have too many discussions about what those differences mean, every now and then something will give the other a glimpse of what the other’s life is like.

also while i lived in a community where i was always a minority, but my parents taught me to never act like a minority (i.e. not let it define you but instead be yourself and people will accept you no matter what) and he came from a town with very very little diversity but he was the majority - it also makes for interesting convos too.

throw in that hes from the north, im a southerner, they are a bit more “redneck” *giggles* and we are totally bougie (yall know what i mean) - there will always be an interesting marriage.

sometimes i wonder how we are gonna pull off this wedding with the differences that we have on both sides of the family…. might be interesting.

 
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what2bee (message)  229 posts, Helper bee

@ miss snapdragon- while I agree that many people find some jokes offensive, it was still a joke- he intended to make his friend laugh, which is what happened. It was a joke because the thought of the dog being baked up like a thanksgiving turkey was funny- everyone realizes that this is not actually what’s going on at pug’s house on thanksgiving. In fact, if you go to a stand up comedy show, or watch comedy central you’ll notice that MOST jokes are offensive to at least someone, but most people can laugh it off and keep going.

@ Miss Sewing- with assumptions, just let it go- ask for chopsticks, and if you go to the same place enough they’ll remember you and bring you chopsticks.

I just don’t like the attitude that it’s not okay to make assumptions or jokes- why can’t people lighten up a little? Some things really just aren’t a big deal.

Back to Miss Pug’s post though, it is nice when your partner can see where you’re coming from- I’m sorry it was something that was hurtful to the both of you though.

 
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@what2bee Jokes don’t need to be offensive to be funny… as for the TV reference, if you’re talking about dumb racists like Jeff Dunham on Comedy Central, then yes - those jokes are terribly close-minded, offensive and NOT funny.

Sometimes offensive humor exists to be thought-provoking and to further the discussion (ala Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, lots of South Park episodes). But when humor is dumbed-down to the lowest common denominator, it exists to tear down and further separate us from each other.

“Laugh it off and keep going” gets to be a bit tiresome when you’re the subject of the joke, and the target of the stereotype. Maybe instead of “lighten up” you might try “wising up”.

 
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@ what2bee — The thought of a dog being baked up like a thanksgiving turkey is not funny. It might even be objectively unfunny.

 
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Laylabelle (message)  3,378 posts, Sugar bee

This is a different side for me, because my ex-husband was Korean, and he (along with his whole family) made jokes about eating dogs. When their Shiba Inu ran away, his own mother winked at me and told me to wait for dinner. I’d hate to think that it’s one of those catch-22’s where it’s okay joke about it, unless you’re not that race… I think if it’s uncool, it’s uncool no matter who is doing it. That said, a lot of this appears to be in the way it’s received. My ex-husbands family found it amusing, but obviously, not all Koreans will. I think it is interesting for me to have only seen one side of this, and to get another perspective. Having only been around Koreans that joked about it, I honestly wouldn’t have thought twice about overhearing that joke.

 
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Mrs. Pug, New York City/Half Moon Bay, CA Age and Occupation: 33, Lawyer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 32, ditto Engagement Date: July 2008 Wedding Date: March 2010 Venue: Ritz-Carlton, Half Moon Bay About Me: The Mr. and I are two 30-somethings who enjoy tasty sweets of all kinds, our neighborhood wine store, and cuddling with our pug. NYC is where we live and the city we love, but we’re doing the deed out in Northern California. We are trying to keep the affair small, intimate, and manageable. Our motto is: the less people, the better! (I’m kidding.)

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