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Mrs. Lace, Pasadena, CA Age and Occupation: 29, Elementary school teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 29, Engineer Engagement Date: September 6, 2009 Wedding Date: June 2010 Venue: Orange County Performing Arts Center About Me: Born and raised in Southern California, my fiance and I are marrying in Orange County. We're planning a vintage wedding with a modern twist. I am an elementary school teacher by day and a wedding planner by night. I love reading, blogging, scrapbooking, trying out new DIY projects, buying awesome finds at incredible deals and spending time with friends and family. Trying new restaurants, traveling and shopping also top my hobby list. I'm anxious to share my wedding ideas and planning with the hive!
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Envelope Backlash

March 4th, 2010 @ 5:50 pm by Mrs. Lace

By no means am I particularly traditional. When Mr. Lace and I asked our Moms about any traditions they wanted us to have at the wedding, they didn’t have anything they needed or wanted to do. We asked to make sure. Tea ceremony? No. Change into a different dress? No. Chinese banquet? No. We thought we’d covered all our bases. We even mentioned to them we were thinking of having our bridesmaids wear black dresses and use black tablecloths at the reception. Nothing was said.

There was a bit of grumbling when we passed out our invitations in their black envelopes. You see, in Chinese culture, black and white mean death. So, when you get married you want to pick a prosperous, lucky color… like red. While red is a lovely color, it’s SO not us. However, within our parents generation, only a couple of people said something about it to my mom, but dismissed it saying that we are really Americanized so it’s not a huge deal.

However, little did I know that I’d get backlash from my Grandparents on Poppa Lace’s side, who I hardly see and am not very close too! They were so upset at the black invitation that they didn’t even open it initially. When they finally did, they called Momma Lace to complain about what kind of daughter they’d raised. My Mom tried to defend me, but my Grandparents were NOT having it. I think, at the end of that conversation, they were okay, but still asking, “Why in the WORLD would you pick BLACK of all colors?”

So, when Momma Lace relayed this conversation to me, I experienced a rush of emotions.

First, I felt bad that my mom had to endure a belittling conversation with my Grandma. I felt horrible that she had to bear the brunt of it.

I then felt mad. We are family, but we’re not close at all and the last time I saw them was at my cousin’s wedding. Although my Grandfather is over 90 years old, he didn’t initially recognize me when I saw him two years ago. Someone had to say to him, “that’s Poppa Lace’s daughter.” So, where do you get off rantin’ and ravin’ about black envelopes? You obviously don’t know me well enough to know that I’m totally Westernized and not superstitious.

Last, I felt stressed out. Our bridesmaids’ dresses are black. Our tablecloths are black. I was planning on using more black in our paper goods at the wedding. Would I have to scrap everything and start over?

I’ve only talked to my family, Mr. Lace, and now, the hive about this. I feel like I shouldn’t change my plans because two people are unhappy about it. At the same time, I don’t want there to be a blowout at the wedding because of a black envelope. I am considering calling or writing a letter, but there’s a communication barrier between my Grandparents and I. I am considering resending an invitation with a RED envelope even though it doesn’t match.

Any advice on what to do? Have you had an unexpected cultural issue arise during wedding planning?

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kayakgirl73
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kayakgirl73 (message)  2,157 posts, Buzzing bee

I don’t know what to tell you about the cultural issues, but please realize that at 90 your grandfather’s may be experiencing memory loss which could be why he didn’t recognize you.

 
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Miss Lace (message)  702 posts, Busy bee

@kayakgirl73: I know, you’re totally right. I was just so upset!

 
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Curlysue (message)  1,703 posts, Bumble bee

Oh. My. Goodness. Honestly, I would stick to my guns because that’s just what I do and I’d do black where I wanted and had planned. Are the grandparents planning to attend or just complaining from afar? I’m really sorry you had that come up, but unfortunately people from that generation are very stuck in their ways it seems. I don’t think I’d send a letter to say anything. Do you really think they’ll make a scene at your wedding?! Does your mother think using a red envelope and resending it will make them happy?

 
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

Oh goodness, that’s frustrating! I’d definitely stick to what you have planned - it’s YOUR wedding and YOU aren’t concerned about using black. To be honest, I’m a really stubborn person, so I wouldn’t say anything to them about it and just continue on as planned!

 
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Talishazwi (message)  1,444 posts, Bumble bee

It’s weird huh? You can have 99 people LOVE all your ideas or at least be ok but that 1 person gets to you. Repeat after me “I do not have to please everyone or I will be living my life for other people and be unhappy”. It will help! :) Black looks chic! It was almost one of my colors.

 
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Miss Lace (message)  702 posts, Busy bee

@Curlysue: and @amanda.lynn: Thanks. I think I just need some reinforcements to tell me that it’s okay to do what I want to do! They’re not helping financially either since Mr. L and I are paying for the whole shindig ourselves.

 
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Miss Lace (message)  702 posts, Busy bee

@Talishazwi: I do NOT have to please everyone! :) Thanks, that helps a lot. I think it’s just nice to know what you gals would do if you were in my shoes!

 
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Miss Trail Mix (message)  6,328 posts, Bee Keeper

That really sucks, I’m sorry! I think if I were in the situation, I would probably make their envelope a different color than black, just to keep the peace but I’m a weenie like that…I mean, at the end of the day, it is just an envelope ;)

 
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iswimibikeirun (message)  1,358 posts, Bumble bee

I think you’re ok. Your parents–especially your mom–seemed prepared to run interference for you. And, to your credit, you did check with your parents first. Even they didn’t think you’d get the backlash. Technically, I think white is even more of a mourning color! I think you’re fine.

 
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Miss Hot Wings (message)  2,213 posts, Buzzing bee

oh geez. I feel your pain Lace. The cultural clashes are never ending for me. Maybe you can just send the grandparents red envelops and leave the rest be. Maybe since he didn’t remember you earlier, he might not remember the envelops either? Just maybe. My parents got all crazy when someone ELSE pointed out that on our Vietnamese invitations (uh hello… I’m even translating the invitations. Isn’t that enough?) I labeled myself oldest daughter instead of only daughter. Seriously, what’s with the getting mad at the details. But I digress. If if makes you feel any better, your g-parents just want you and Mr. Lace to have a bright future together and they just happen to be real superstitious.

 
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kindge_03 (message)  18 posts, Newbee

I’m sure you have a complimentary color you’re incorporating in the wedding. Perhaps sending those few family members who are so traditional a colored envelope. That way it appeases the few that would complain, and the rest are none the wiser that another color was ever sent.

I know alot of posts are about sticking to your guns, but on such a tiny detail…is it worth the heart ache? By all means, keep what’s important to you and stick by it. But choose your battles. Consult with your mom and see how she would handle the situation.

Maybe at the ceremony and reception you could incorporate your complimentary color more. I know black is very modern and gorgeous - I can see how it may not be a crowd pleaser too.

 
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Miss Sewing (message)  2,701 posts, Sugar bee

ahh! bummer you had to go through all that. There are a lot of superstitious people in Mr. Sew’s family as well, so I don’t think they are going to appreciate our black invitations…

but it is definitely good that you have your parents to help back you up! power to mom-lace!

 
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kayakgirl73
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kayakgirl73 (message)  2,157 posts, Buzzing bee

It’s ok Lace. Grandparent memory loss is a hard thing, I’ve been there and Now I’m seeing my husband’s family go thru it.

 
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Curlysue (message)  1,703 posts, Bumble bee

Wedding stuff has changed so much even compared to five years ago. WE ARE REBELS!!! And I like it :D

 
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ChiCat (message)  335 posts, Helper bee

Since the envelopes are a done deal, I’d think ahead more to the wedding itself. Are they likely to come? If they’re 90 and there’s travelling involved, and you’re not particularly close, then they might not, which would obviously be the easy way to avoid an issue. But if they are coming, you might want to sit down with them and your mom a few days/weeks/months beforehand and explain you understand their opinions about black, but don’t share them and there will be a lot of black at your wedding so they better get used to it. At least that way it won’t be a shock to them, and if they’re going to rant and rave they’ll get most of it out beforehand instead of pitching a fit on your day.
Sorry you have to deal with this :/

 
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An Huynh

I’m Vietnamese - I feel you.

We actually wanted black and white to be our wedding colors too… classic and clean. Unfortunately, my Grandma is superstitious like yours and hates anything black/white… we can’t even wear black to visit her because she’ll have a fit. In our case - I’ll be the first of her grandchildren to get married so it’s a pretty big deal and I’m VERY close with my Grandma (we still visit my grandparents almost weekly) so we decided to go with different colors.

If I were in your shoes - I wouldn’t fret about it. The key things are that you aren’t very close with them and they didn’t even recognize you the last time you saw them! Also, even if they showed up and were upset - I’m sure they wouldn’t make a big deal because we all now how they wouldn’t want to make a scene and lose face (at least that’s how my family is). I’m sure they may call your parents after the fact to complain but then it’ll be forgotten shortly after that.

It’s your wedding and your parents are fine with it - your grandparents will get over it!

 
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tameerenae (message)  14 posts, Newbee

My situation is similar to yours, without the cultural implications. We chose black as our main color (bridesmaids are wearing black, as are the MOB & MOG) with light pink and wheat yellow as accents (girls will have light pink sashes with wheat in their bouquets). The tables will be covered with black table cloths and 2′ pink squares on top. My invite pocket was light pink with black envelopes. Anyhoo…I spoke with my grandma after she received the invitation. I was really excited for the invites because I did EVERYTHING myself, and figured she’d have the same response as everyone else (Oh! These are beautiful!) Instead, she made a comment about the black envelope, I explained that it was our main color with softer color accents. It’s hard to explain, but I’m sure we all know what it sounds like when our grandparents don’t yell at us, but you can tell they don’t approve. Needless to say I was a bit disappointed, but it’s MY (and my fiance’s) wedding. The grandparents aren’t paying for any part of the wedding, so I feel like they don’t get a say.

We’ve also had a weird response from another grandparent. My fiance’s grandmother has made disapproving comments about where we are holding the ceremony (on his parents’ farm…which is beautiful, grassy and shaded) and then making the guests drive 30 minutes to the reception. To her, a wedding is a FORMAL occasion. But to us, we both love the farm and it means so much to us to have the wedding there and then have a more formal (and comfortable…as in air conditioned and dry…it can rain in the summer and/or be very hot and humid) reception. I wish we could have everything in one spot…but again, it’s OUR wedding.

I think part of it is grandparents come from the generation where the younger family members followed traditions, “valued” their opinions and based their decisions on the elder’s thoughts.

What it comes down to (for us) is: it’s our wedding, the grandparents aren’t paying for it, and our parents fully understand and support our decisions.

Good luck! (and sorry for the rambling)

 
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GummyBear (message)  36 posts, Newbee

Aww, sorry to hear that you’re getting grief about your choices! Our families are the same way about random details…i.e., a “lucky” Chinese date, potential black BM dresses, an outdoor ceremony, and not doing corsages for extended family members (which would number 30+!). Neither my fiance and I are superstitious and we also didn’t want to support the continuation of some pointless, potentially complicated and expensive ‘traditions’ if they didn’t have any meaning for us. So our rule is, if it’s important to the family and we don’t care one way or the other and it doesn’t add cost or time (we’re paying for everything, too), we’ll probably just do it. If we do have a strong opinion or want something in particular, they need to accept that traditions change and they can’t always have everything they want. ;) Best of luck, and I think your wedding details are gorgeous!

 
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Ms Potato Chips (message)  1,193 posts, Bumble bee

Oh that is frustrating. I guess it could be worth sending another one in a red envelope if you think it’ll help mend feelings.

 
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Casey

Maybe try to send a letter in a red envelope that explains that you are Americanized and that black means elegance, sophistication, etc to you. You don’t need to explain yourself but if you feel the need to do anything this should be it… don’t change your colors for anyone bot you and your FH.

 
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Mrs. Lace, Pasadena, CA Age and Occupation: 29, Elementary school teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 29, Engineer Engagement Date: September 6, 2009 Wedding Date: June 2010 Venue: Orange County Performing Arts Center About Me: Born and raised in Southern California, my fiance and I are marrying in Orange County. We're planning a vintage wedding with a modern twist. I am an elementary school teacher by day and a wedding planner by night. I love reading, blogging, scrapbooking, trying out new DIY projects, buying awesome finds at incredible deals and spending time with friends and family. Trying new restaurants, traveling and shopping also top my hobby list. I'm anxious to share my wedding ideas and planning with the hive!

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