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Mrs. Pudding, Greater Toronto Area/Vermont Age and Occupation: 26, High School Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Computer Engineer Engagement Date: August 2008 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: Catholic Ceremony, Cultural Hall Reception About Me: Quite literally a citizen of the world, I was born in Poland, grew up in Canada, and now live in the beautiful state of Vermont. I love reading historical biographies, multi-tasking, teasing my hair, and, despite my height, wearing high heeled shoes. I am the ultimate klutz with an uncanny ability to put on a graceful front. Mr. Pudding and I have been dating for over six years, and are very excited to finally merge our (very large) families. We are planning a traditional Polish-Catholic wedding that is anything but predictable.
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This past weekend, Mr. Pudding and I visited the priest from our parish in order to take the FOCCUS test. For those of you who aren’t familiar with the Catholic getting-to-the-altar process, FOCCUS stands for “Facilitating Open Couple Communication and Study”. The purpose of the test is to pinpoint the areas of life where you and your partner might experience conflicts.

Now, I would like to preface this by saying that I was expecting a scary, right and wrong test. A test that would ask uncomfortable questions about our sex life, our devotion to the faith, and our desire to procreate. A test very much like one of the many Hollywood portrayals of said practice:

Catholic Adventures: FOCCUS Test :  wedding religion vermont License license

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When Mr. Pudding and I began taking the test, we were both a little worried. We were separated and handed a Scantron sheet, and some number two pencils. GULP.

Catholic Adventures: FOCCUS Test :  wedding religion vermont Test test

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We shouldn’t have worried, though. The test was actually very straightforward, and the questions asked were very thought provoking. They were questions that all couples should consider and talk through before making a life long commitment to each other. Off the top of my head, here are some examples:

  • I am concerned that our different upbringings will cause us to disagree on financial matters
  • We have discussed the role each one of us will play in the maintenance of our home
  • I feel that my partner doesn’t listen to what I am saying when we argue

Each question had to be answered with “agree”, “disagree”, or “undecided”. I found this slightly irritating, since I don’t really believe in absolutes. A lot of the questions were difficult to answer in such restrictive terms.

Mr. P and I were both pleasantly surprised by the fact that the test clearly tried to discourage the idea of marriage as being an easy formula for a happy life. Questions like these were really refreshing:

  • I believe that our marriage will be a happy one, as long as we love each other
  • We decided to get married because our parents were unhappy with our cohabitation
  • I need to be married in order to be truly happy
  • My partner’s inability to have children would be a deal breaker for me

There were also some sex questions, but none of the “you’re-going-to-hell” variety:

  • The idea of being naked in front of my partner is terrifying to me
  • I am concerned that I will be required to perform sexual acts that make me uncomfortable
  • I believe that my partner’s sexual needs are similar to mine

And, to dispel any rumors of Catholic priests refusing to marry couples who live together before marriage (which is, technically, our situation) or couples with children, there was a series of questions on the test that targeted this demographic.

All in all, the test was a positive experience. We have yet to get our results, as the tests get sent off for grading. I will let you know how we do, but our priest assured us that there was no such thing as “failing”. That’s not to say that there weren’t any “deal breaker” questions on the test. For Mr. P and I, these included:

  • I am worried about my personal safety when my partner gets angry
  • I am concerned about my partner’s gambling habits
  • My partner’s consumption of alcohol and/or drugs is a cause of many problems for us.

The test really made us think about our relationship, and we spent a couple of hours discussing our answers. We did discover that under the “how many months have you been courting” question Mr. P did the math and put 90, while I ballparked and wrote 50. That’s a pretty big difference. I hope that the Catholic Church doesn’t hold my lack of math skills against me. :P

Did any of you take the FOCCUS test? What was your experience?

P.S. For those of you who have yet to take the test, our priest did mention that the FOCCUS test is on its way out, and that a revamped test will be introduced at some point this year.

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clarerichardson (message)  93 posts, Worker bee

We took the PREPARE assessment, which I really liked. We got *super* excited afterward when we compared answers with each other, because we answered so many of them the same. I felt like it reaffirmed how well we know each other and how much we communicate.

BUT the counseling that came after the assessment was really poorly done, and I came out of the session feeling like the worst couple in the world (which we’re not!): http://bellsandbouquets.blogspot.com/2009/07/prepareing-for-our-marriage-counseling.html

 
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AmberEyes (message)  390 posts, Helper bee

That’s relieving! Our Marriage Prep Courses are scheduled in July, and we are both sort of terrified, since we live together. Catholic churches can be quite strict, but hopefully our experience won’t be so bad. Thanks for the post!

 
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We scored in the 90th percentile! :) We’re also “cohabitating” as the test put it and they seem fine with it… well, not fine but no one’s said anything bad :P

We actually really liked the test (which they kept saying wasn’t a test) because it did bring up a few issues we didn’t consider, or didn’t particularly discuss it depth - things like, how our families will be involved with our marriage as well as the upbringing of our children, how our single friends will react as opposed to our married friends etc…

We’re going through the Evenings for the Engaged right now (it’s the evening class option instead of Engaged Encounters that’s a weekend retreat) and it’s actually refreshing to get points of views from other couples getting married as well as a married couple that’s hosting the meetings. They go over real life struggles and important things we all should discuss prior to getting married…

Overall we really appreciate the whole program the Catholic diocese puts together and definitely think it will help in the long run :)

 
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lindz221 (message)  80 posts, Worker bee

We used an online software called “prepare and enrich”, and so far I am really enjoying it. Our pastor is walking us through all of the answers and where we differed on certain things.

 
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Keladry (message)  294 posts, Helper bee

We also hated the absolutes in the test. How can I put disagree or agree if I am half-and-half on the subject? And it’s not like I’m undecided either. During our session afterward we railed on the test’s black and white nature- life is not black and white, so how would a test like that aptly reflect us a couple? I’m so very glad to hear a new test will be put in it’s stead.

 
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corrc7131 (message)  198 posts, Blushing bee

Thanks for this post. We have our “Enrichment Day” 3/27. Did you have to take this course? We haven’t taken the test yet, but this was really helpful!

 
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farmersdaughter (message)  1,656 posts, Bumble bee

We found the test questions to be very thought-provoking and interesting, as well. We got a lot out of just discussing them on our own. I was a little disappointed in our experience reviewing the results afterwards, but honestly I think its kind of “luck of the draw” and who you review it with. Our deacon was quite a bit older and really got on his soapbox a few times, which was annoying.

 
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Kapperchazka (message)  15 posts, Newbee

We took the FOCCUS as well and had a lot of great discussion from the results and things we differed on. Our priest is great to talk to, and it was enjoyable (unlike the awkward nervous situation I was picturing). I felt like it helped us get to know each other better. Glad to hear you had a good experience as well!

 
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Miss Pretzel (message)  1,893 posts, Buzzing bee

:) Mr P and I have our engaged encounter this weekend, then we’ll do the test with our Priest. I am glad that you wrote this post. I feel like so much dialogue about the Catholic Marriage process looks at this a burden or a hurdle, but you’re right- its all about preparing for the marriage. :) I can’t wait to see how Mr P and I answer and to talk through some of the issues that it brings up.

 
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ChillyBear (message)  175 posts, Blushing bee

We recieved our results last weekend. I think the test is a good place to reveal some needed talking points. However that being said there are definitely “right” and “wrong” answers. The 1st page of the results has a bar graph that shows 0-100% of the questions that you got right in each segment. We scored 100% in 2 categories Friends & Intrests and Readiness. The lowest we scored was 41% in Spirituality & Values. You only got points if you, your fiance and the church all agree on the answer. But if you and your fiance answer the same and the church disagrees then its wrong. I agree with Miss Pudding and some of the other comments the questions were very black and white and i’m more shades of gray. My fiance was convinced they were trying to trick him. Example: “I worry about my future spouse’s increased interest in gambling” - he put undecided because he didnt feel there was a right way to answer the question

 
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Miss Giraffe (message)  4,216 posts, Honey bee

WE don’t have to do this, but I have a friend who is going to have to.

 
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theoneandonlyliz (message)  30 posts, Newbee

We just finished the FOCCUS test and our two follow-up discussion sessions. I had been dreading it since I’ve kinda become a “Christmas-Easter Catholic” over the last few years. It wasn’t my favorite part of planning, but it wasn’t as bad as I had expected and I think its an important thing for all engaged couples to do (not necessarily this test in particular, but some sort of discussion/though-provoking exercise). However, if I could do it all over again, I would definitely answer fewer questions as “undecided.” If you know you are leaning towards agree or disagree, just go with it. I got really tired of trying to explain myself every time we got to a question that I answered “undecided.”

 
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krissybee (message)  3,921 posts, Honey bee

we have to take it….BUT, and i’ve never heard of this with any of my friends,…. our priest GAVE us the test to take home….like we could do it together or something?! wth?

we haven’t looked at it yet but one of these saturdays we will take it!

 
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rawrkitty1022
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rawrkitty1022 (message)  516 posts, Busy bee

I really enjoyed the whole FOCCUS experience. (And we love License to Wed too!).

 
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Ella1978
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Ella1978 (message)  2,027 posts, Buzzing bee

We also did the prepare/ enrich.. it was online, and took a LONG time. it was nice to walk thru the issues they find important though.. we had already discussed all these things.. even down to how we wanted to handle money, how many kids we wanted.. etc. but it was a pretty informative survey. Because of my previous catholic related post, we will have to wait a while to see how our answers meshed, but I’m pretty sure we are both on the same page with most things…

 
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Miss Pencils (message)  1,027 posts, Bumble bee

this is actually really cool- I almost wish I was still a practicing Catholic so that Mr. Pencils and I could take it!

 
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Miss Starfish (message)  1,924 posts, Buzzing bee

We are going through marriage prep and our priest hasn’t mentioned it, I think it would be really interesting. I’m kind of hoping closer in we’ll take it or now that you mentioned it, the newer version.

 
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Miss Pencils…I could be wrong, but I just looked at the sites and both of them have a non-catholic/religious option. You just complete the test based on a non-religious lifestyle, and one of them has a corresponding book that assist you with post-test discussions.

The FOCCUS option has the non-religious (or general) option right on their website!

(From the FOCCUS website) - Serves diverse populations, as it is available in 6 editions, 6 languages, and with sections tailored to specific couple situations:

* General
* Catholic
* Christian
* Orthodox Christian
* Abridged
* Alternate

I was just looking at the options, because my fiance is non-religious, but I’d like to do something like this!

Hopefully this info helps!

 
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mebless (message)  512 posts, Busy bee

My FI and I just did ours and are waiting for our results! EEEKKK!!! While the questions are thought provoking I still felt uncomfortable answering some of them knowing the priest who is reviewing them has known us since we were 14! I frankly don’t want to discuss our sexual relationship with him or anyone else except my close friends!

 
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HereComesTheSun (message)  363 posts, Helper bee

That is strikingly similar to the test we took to get married in the Lutheran church. Interesting! It freaked us out that it took almost 6 weeks to return the results. Turns out they were backed up a bit!

We found it to be very telling of our relationship and it’s helped us to become better communicators.

And we also love the movie License to Wed. I made Mr. HCTS watch it before our classes. It’s seriously funny.

 
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Mrs. Pudding, Greater Toronto Area/Vermont Age and Occupation: 26, High School Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Computer Engineer Engagement Date: August 2008 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: Catholic Ceremony, Cultural Hall Reception About Me: Quite literally a citizen of the world, I was born in Poland, grew up in Canada, and now live in the beautiful state of Vermont. I love reading historical biographies, multi-tasking, teasing my hair, and, despite my height, wearing high heeled shoes. I am the ultimate klutz with an uncanny ability to put on a graceful front. Mr. Pudding and I have been dating for over six years, and are very excited to finally merge our (very large) families. We are planning a traditional Polish-Catholic wedding that is anything but predictable.

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