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Mrs. Oyster, Dallas Age and Occupation: 30, Music Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 46, Art Teacher Engagement Date: January 9, 2009 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: The Tower Club About Me: I'm a Texa-Californian with a penchant for sparkly things and a tendency to think a lot. I've been known to sing random songs or dance when there is no music on. My fiance and I love world culture, we love to travel, and we have an incredibly eclectic taste in music. We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to celebrate our marriage with our family & closest friends. We're planning an “urban black-tie” wedding and hope to incorporate our personalities and some of our own interests. We look forward to a life of love, laughter, good music, beautiful art, and to creating our home together with our four (!) cats.
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Worth a Thousand (More) Words

April 5th, 2010 @ 5:31 pm by Mrs. Oyster

Our lovely invitations, chosen by Mr. Oyster, are probably the only thing I’ve been 100% consistent about throughout this entire wedding planning process.

When it came time to order them, I’d decided that the wording should be simple and formal. Easy, right? I arrived at the shop with all the information in tow (typed up, no less!) and a day later, I got the call.

They wanted to change our invitation wording because it was improper!

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Emily Post, who frightens me a little.

Specifically, they want to change my “half past five” to “half after five” and we disagree about the usage of “two thousand ten” vs. “two thousand and ten.” (They prefer the latter, by the way.) All my research says that both are acceptable, but it seems that “half after” and “two thousand and ten” are most likely related to British usage and are therefore more formal.

There are two things at work here.

First of all, I am having a formal wedding, which requires a formal invitation with formal wording. So I get that this is the time to be “correct”.

But I wonder if these etiquette rules might just be too obscure for me. Who IN THE WORLD says “half after five”? I’ve never seen it; every wedding invitation I’ve seen has read, “half past.” Every invitation also has read “two thousand and ten” and since it looks better in print, I might concede that one. I might even write “half after” for the time… but I can just imagine my family calling up saying, “When is the wedding?”

On the other hand, just because large swaths of people don’t understand an etiquette rule doesn’t mean it’s invalid.

We’ll see. At this point, the invitation reads:

The pleasure of your company is requested at the marriage of
[Bride] and [Groom]

[Day] the [nth] of July
two thousand and ten

at half after (?) five in the evening

[Name of place]

[City, State]

[in the lower right hand corner]:
A reply is requested by the [Day] of [Month]

[website address]

I had originally written, “Please RSVP by [date], but realized that, while in English, “to RSVP” is a verb or a noun, it’s actually a phrase that already contains the word please (Respondez, s’il-vous plait). But most people will read it as a verb, so…

Honestly, I’m surprised that I care so much. But as someone who loves language, loves to write and is interested in what words mean to different people, this is actually kind of fascinating.

Also, I think it’s funny how wedding invitations, like so many aspects of the wedding itself, bring out these issues of class and style. I think many wedding disputes we have now are the result of being in different classes, and, at least in the United States, of our society being in sort of a transitional period with different cultures & class systems. I mean, wouldn’t this be easier (but so much more boring!) if every member of one family was in the same social class (and thus, had the same expectations for your wedding)? But, thankfully, hardly anyone can say that anymore. Interesting.

Were you surprised by any small nuances when it came to etiquette and invitation wording?

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Curlysue (message)  1,703 posts, Bumble bee

I’ve seen the “two thousand ten” and “two thousand and ten” debate a lot and I can’t say I agree with people who say using the “and” is completely wrong. That’s just me though and I see the “and” used EVERYWHERE in professional stuff so I think it’s a matter of preference. I also prefer “half past” than “half after” because it sounds strange to me in using the latter.

 
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periwinkle

Is five-thirty incorrect?
There is no way I’d go for half after five. Who understands that? I’m an English graduate, by the way. Did I miss something?

 
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PortlandBride
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PortlandBride (message)  364 posts, Helper bee

Written communications is my profession, and I’ve always been taught that it’s incorrect grammar to add “and” to any number, whether it be “one hundred five” or “two thousand ten.” That’s backed up by the AP Stylebook (or the writing Bible, as it’s known by editors ;)).

 
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teaadntoast
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teaadntoast (message)  2,595 posts, Sugar bee

I used half-past as well. It just sounds more formal, in my opinion.

 
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Miss Guinea Pig (message)  1,377 posts, Bumble bee

The one surprise we had that I never even thought about was on our RSVP cards! We used: Accepts with pleasure/Declines with regret.

But we realized that nearly everyone we’re inviting (~95%) is either a couple or has a +1, so it really should have been Accept, and Decline b/c for the majority, there are two people responding! One of the guests actually crossed out the ’s’ in Accepts when they responded! Ah well. Can’t win ‘em all :)

I’ve definitely heard half after five before, but the ‘and’ in years drives me nuts! I think it’s just personal preference though, no one else will notice - you should do what makes you happy!

 
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lilyfaith
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lilyfaith (message)  5,478 posts, Bee Keeper

I really prefer “half past five” correct or not!

 
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bohemianbailie
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bohemianbailie (message)  980 posts, Busy bee

Yes, I want it to say my parents on top so it will say their daughter but my FI wants both our parents names on top………..

 
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Linnet

In UK English we’d say “half past five” and “two thousand and ten”. But I don’t think we’d write the date in words like that anyway. I always assumed “two thousand ten” was the US English form… it’d drive me nuts if I saw it done in the UK, because here it’s not correct, but I’m pretty sure US invites wouldn’t have the “and”.

Do as you like - what’s most understandable and what do you prefer.

 
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Arachna (message)  1,267 posts, Bumble bee

I think the proper US wording is “half past” and no “and” but it should really be whatever you want. Do not allow the invitation ladies to mislead you though!

 
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sunnydebs
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sunnydebs (message)  784 posts, Busy bee

I’ve heard that “half past” is for funerals, and “half after” is for weddings.

 
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Miss Cardigan
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

I’m with you on both - I prefer “half past” and “two thousand ten”!

 
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what2bee (message)  229 posts, Helper bee

You just made me realize how similar my boy and I actually are, and it surprises me, I guess I always thought I would end up with someone that came from a very different background or something. I always thought I’d be “different” but it turns out I’m just plane jane vanilla.

 
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tweds (message)  448 posts, Helper bee

Agree with the above poster - if you are having a formal wedding, “half after” is indeed correct, as is the “and” in between the year. If not (like me), you can write whatever the heck you want.

I’m also fascinated by etiquette and wording. My parents are divorced, so my wording automatically got downgraded to “informal” - ha! “Together with their parents” (thankfully, we are helping foot the bill) is what we finally decided on.

 
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ktbrady
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ktbrady (message)  1,054 posts, Bumble bee

Hi Miss Oyster! Can I just say, I love your posts! They always have an interesting point of view that makes me thing. The question of class is HUGE in my wedding (and life). I grew up in a trailer, and my mom worked VERY hard (at Wal-Mart and a high school cafeteria) to get me and my brother the best she could afford. But now I’m engaged to a man who, while not “rich” per se, had his college paid for and his first car paid for in cash. I’m still paying off student loans! Our families have very different expectations…and I try to ignore them all! :-)

 
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ccranetobe
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ccranetobe (message)  3,692 posts, Sugar bee

Lucky I didnt have the problem of half past or half after, but I prefer the half past. Or five thirty in the evening… :P that would solve both problems.

I went for two thousand ten. It just looked better on my invites. *shrugs* I dont really think anyone on my family will care. Its only myself thats done all the research and worried about it :)

 
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Miss Hamster (message)  4,046 posts, Honey bee

Wow, never heard of “half after” - interesting!

 
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thingsiloveblog
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thingsiloveblog (message)  50 posts, Worker bee

I totally wrote five thirty on ours…woops! To be honest, I spent a while stressing on the invitation wording too, until my fiance pointed out that if anyone actually scoffs at the informality of our invitation wording, that person isn’t someone we want to spend our wedding day with anyway. :) I think if “half past” works for you, it should work for your guests too!

 
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jordynrose
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jordynrose (message)  6,351 posts, Bee Keeper

I have never heard of the half after thing either. Ooops!

 
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Miss Argyle
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Miss Argyle (message)  2,516 posts, Sugar bee

Invite lingo is one that that I think needs to fit the couple. Ours is pretty relaxed and we have even discussed using our parents first names instead of “Mr. and Mrs.” because both of our parents do not like to be called “Mr. and Mrs.” They prefer for our friends and family to refer to them using their first names.

 
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Miss Stripes (message)  1,063 posts, Bumble bee

Hmm. I had a little moment of panic when I first began addressing our STD’s, but then I just went with what sounded/looked best (to me anyway) It seems like everyone has an opinion and you’re not gonna win ‘em all….so going with what makes you happy in the end is my wedding mantra. For everything. Not just stationary! Love that fierce (as in seriously scary) pic of EP by the way! :)

 
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Mrs. Oyster, Dallas Age and Occupation: 30, Music Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 46, Art Teacher Engagement Date: January 9, 2009 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: The Tower Club About Me: I'm a Texa-Californian with a penchant for sparkly things and a tendency to think a lot. I've been known to sing random songs or dance when there is no music on. My fiance and I love world culture, we love to travel, and we have an incredibly eclectic taste in music. We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to celebrate our marriage with our family & closest friends. We're planning an “urban black-tie” wedding and hope to incorporate our personalities and some of our own interests. We look forward to a life of love, laughter, good music, beautiful art, and to creating our home together with our four (!) cats.

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