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Mrs. Oyster, Dallas Age and Occupation: 30, Music Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 46, Art Teacher Engagement Date: January 9, 2009 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: The Tower Club About Me: I'm a Texa-Californian with a penchant for sparkly things and a tendency to think a lot. I've been known to sing random songs or dance when there is no music on. My fiance and I love world culture, we love to travel, and we have an incredibly eclectic taste in music. We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to celebrate our marriage with our family & closest friends. We're planning an “urban black-tie” wedding and hope to incorporate our personalities and some of our own interests. We look forward to a life of love, laughter, good music, beautiful art, and to creating our home together with our four (!) cats.
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Money Matters in Marriage

April 6th, 2010 @ 10:34 am by Mrs. Oyster

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Like most people, I don’t like talking about finances, but I promised myself I’d spend as much energy preparing for the wedding as I would preparing for the marriage… so I try to confront these potentially uncomfortable issues when I get a chance.

The New York Times published a few good articles on couples’ finances a while back.

The articles, by Ron Lieber, are very helpful, if brief, and are in two parts. The first one, “Four Talks About Money to Have Before Marriage”, outlines the ways in which marital finances are impacted by our upbringing, our expectations, our attitudes toward money, and other habits.

When it comes to this, I know I’m definitely not perfect when it comes to finances.

I tend to hyper-manage my money, sometimes even programming my browser’s home screen to go to my bank’s webpage so I can remind myself of what I spend. Not surprisingly, I’m also a spreadsheet junkie. :)

This means that I tend to over-budget, which leaves little room for surprises, and that I worry about money when sometimes I don’t need to. I also attach guilt to my spending, which means I’m extremely frugal for a while and might blow it later. I can trace all this to my childhood, which was marked by economic ups & downs, and my fear of repeating my late father’s money management mistakes.

But also, my father’s death really was a catalyst for me thinking about money. I was 20 when he was killed in a car accident. Most vivid in my memory are all the times my father “had to work,” and everything he missed as a result (we had an especially poignant conversation when I left for college, where he confessed that he felt he didn’t really know me as well as he’d wanted, because he’d missed so much). Our relationship definitely suffered because of that, as did his marriage to my mom.

And then he was gone in an instant, and it didn’t matter at all how much he had to work. And all those material things he’d amassed; they were still here, and he wasn’t, and they didn’t matter much either.

I decided then that for my life, for myself, security would always be more important than wealth. I don’t mind driving a 10 year old car if I have the means to maintain it. Our house doesn’t have to be the biggest, but if it’s safe and clean and comfortable and everything works, I’ll be happy. There are more important things.

Fortunately, my fiancé’s approach to money wasn’t shaped by anything nearly as traumatic. He had a more consistent upbringing, and doesn’t feel guilty for the occasional splurge or two. He isn’t near as spreadsheet-happy as I am, so he leaves that to me — and I don’t mind a bit!

The second article, “Five Money Woes That Can Trouble a Marriage”, is more about the unexpected things that can get you down.

When a couple is facing the next 40+ years of their lives together, it’s impossible to predict everything and pre-determine your answers to things. After all, many of the things that financially devastate us are also emotionally wrenching, and we can’t say with certainty how we’d react in the future.

This article is more about finding out your responses to crises, and your approach to catastrophe, and a reminder to deal with things as a couple, as a team; and of course, everyone should have a nest egg.

Continuing this theme was the story of the Bachmuth family, whose young daughter is literally pulling her hair out from the stress Mr. Bachmuth’s job loss has imposed on his whole family. Particularly interesting were the issues of traditional family/gender/breadwinner roles, and how a shift in those roles can be devastating (or not).

Many of the comments following the article are judgmental (okay, the couple’s argument about firing the cleaning lady does sound a little out of touch), but the audio slide show puts things into perspective. From the pictures & audio, I saw a couple struggling with something they never thought would happen to them, and they are handling it the best they know how.

Do I think I’d react differently to that financial situation? Absolutely; I see a lot of issues here that seem bigger than the current economic crisis. But I can’t judge. Who knows what marriage will bring? All we can do is promise to work through it — together.

How has your past shaped how you handle your finances? How about your fiance(e)?

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BostonHelen
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BostonHelen (message)  104 posts, Blushing bee

One’s upbringing definitely affects your financial choices. The boy has an uber-uptight mother in terms of finances and this has rubs off on him. He has been learning to loosen up a little but it is hard to let go completely for him. He has to weight the pros and cons when splurging while I can hand over my credit card at the drop of a dime.

 
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Medina1111
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Medina1111 (message)  209 posts, Helper bee

Wow this is a great post. I never really even though about sitting down and actually discussing money. I like to spend money but I like to save so its really hard. I love to put money in the savings account for weeks and then take it out and spend it. I know I have a serious problem but FI and I haven’t really discussed it.

 
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dpillai (message)  70 posts, Worker bee

I think I lucked out as the FI and I are on the same terms. We both save significantly and overall have the same financial points of view. Although I felt like I was overwhelmed initially by Roths, 401Ks, etc, I’ve since learned a lot.
The FI’s favorite finance book is actually Rich Dad, Poor Dad, but I would recommend Ramit Sethi’s I Will Teach You to be Rich. It’s geared at the 20somethings and he lays things out very simply. Good stuff!

 
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AbbyM
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AbbyM (message)  284 posts, Helper bee

Great post! Thanks for the links, too. They are a great read as well.
I’m in charge of money in our household and don’t mind a bit. But I’m also like you - I save and don’t spend, but then will splurge. :( I need to find a happy medium. Thankfully we’re almost out of credit card debt, so that will free up a couple of hunder $$ a month!

 
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rachelm1083
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rachelm1083 (message)  241 posts, Helper bee

I have a very similar past (as far as finances go) as you do. My parents were not the greatest with their financial skills, which left me- somehow- wanting to change that for my future. I’ve always been a saver, since I’ve had my first job, and I too over budget (with a spreadsheet, of course!). Of course many good things have come of it, car paid off, own my own home, but sometimes I wish I wasn’t so “frugal”. FI is similar to yours in that he splurges more easily than I do. I’m definitely going to take a look at those articles! Thanks!

 
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ktbrady
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ktbrady (message)  1,054 posts, Bumble bee

Man this post stressed me out so much I had to stop reading. I have this approach-avoidance conflict with money…I’m working on it!

 
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Miss Hamster (message)  4,046 posts, Honey bee

Great post! My parents definitely instilled in me a strong sense of the value of money and security. They worked hard for my sister and me to lead comfortable lives, and while we they were driving 12 year old Honda Accords, we didn’t have to worry too much about not being able to go to college because of finances. I hope I can impart the same values to my own children in the future.

 
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MissChirpie
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MissChirpie (message)  730 posts, Busy bee

My dad worked nights for much of my life, so I didn’t see him very often as a young child. When he finally started working days, he also started a carpet cleaning business that he worked evenings and nights. Thinking back on it now, I’m pretty sure he was working on nearly no sleep. He did this so my mother didn’t have to work (which I know he resented) and so she could build her huge dream house. He only got to live in that house for a few years before he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Three months later he died. He worked his whole life away for a stupid house. I know he did it out of love for his wife and family, but I would have traded the big house in an instant for more quality time with my dad. My FI’s parents on the other hand, are a few months away from their final payment on their mortgage. They are able to go on tropical scuba-diving vacations multiple times a year and often talk about how they are looking forward to retiring. They never had a big house, never drove fancy cars, but they were able to pay for most of their 2 son’s college tuition. I really admire their financial choices. My mother still doesn’t see the need to work full-time and didn’t have a penny to spare when it came to helping pay for college.

 
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Miss Lace (message)  702 posts, Busy bee

In premarital counseling, our pastor asked us to make a budget together that we’d hypothetically use on day 1 of our marriage. Luckily, Mr. Lace and I already talked about this in preparation for saving for the wedding so we weren’t terribly off, but he said couples who haven’t done this before get to see and understand how the other person values and spends money. It also sets the platform to discuss how you’ll spend money as a couple.

 
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CorgiTales
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CorgiTales (message)  9,861 posts, Bee Keeper

I think I learned from my parents’ mistakes. Some of their “mistake” were unavoidable, as my mom got pregnant early and neither of them had much education to bring in a steady income… but they always lived with the idea that “its only money” and “you can always earn more.” Which means they’ve been in credit card debt basically their entire marriage. They seem to be doing great now but I know they still have debt, and it stresses me out!

I vow to live my life free from credit card debt. There are three things I believe going into debt is “worth it” for: education, house, and car (maybe). Luckily my fiance agrees. He is a little bit freer with his money and he is more apt to spend than save, but despite his lack of savings he is never in debt. I think between the two of us we’ll come up with a really great money management system.

 
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gibsonkk (message)  227 posts, Helper bee

Great post!!!
This is definitely one of the not-pretty parts of wedding/marriage planning. Thanks for providing some helpful articles. I’ve also been trying to confront money issues when the opportunity arises. Although I hate it, I make myself be honest and tell FI if I get one of our bills in late. It sucks, but better than hiding it!

 
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missvintage (message)  571 posts, Busy bee

I am definitely the spreadsheet junkie of our relationship, and I manage all of our finances. It works out just fine!

 
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twalila (message)  1,116 posts, Bumble bee

FI & I hae been working with a financial advisor as we have relatively complicated finances due to various policies and contracts from our jobs in the financial workd (PE & i-banking). After tracking our spending and accts over 3 months, our advisor sat us down last week to review and device a plan. His first comment: “Wll, you’re both, ummm, well…frugal.” I make about 4 times what right out of college but manage my fiances based on that same budget. FI is basically the same way, and his love of spreadsheets and budgeting picks up where my orgnaizational skills leave off. It’s nice that we’re both on the same page though realistically we could probably loosen up a bit.

 
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sf_carrie
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sf_carrie (message)  463 posts, Helper bee

AWESOME post! I know a lot of Weddingbee is about the more “fun” wedding details but a lot of couples will be well served to spend at least as much attention on the more practical details of marriage so I’m really glad to see this. My guy and I spend several hours on a road trip going through a set of questions about money in an article for couples considering marriage. We had been together two years at that point so we had a pretty good general sense of what each other would say but it was really helpful to drill down into more detail. One area that came up for us was that both of his parents worked very steady 9 - 5 jobs throughout their careers and my parents often worked random hours because they started their own business when I was 9. In general, I am more entrepreneurial than my guy and more willing to take career risks that are more out of the box, like my parents. He is more concerned about ensuring we have a predictable income, like his. Part of this also has to do with our ages — he’s 11 years older than me and more concerned about not blowing his savings, whereas I know I have a lot of years in the workforce to earn back the money should a venture not work out. Both our families were pretty frugal growing up and neither one of us feels we need a large house or designer goods to be happy, so we are on the same page in that regard.

 
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Miss Taco
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Miss Taco (message)  950 posts, Busy bee

I didn’t grow up with a lot of moola, so I watch (and keep track of) every penny I spend! When I overspend (and I always know when I do), I feel guilty and worried. There are obviously good and bad points to this method, but it’s helped us save and spend on things we really care about!

 
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OctPumpkin
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OctPumpkin (message)  593 posts, Busy bee

Great post. You bees have definately given me some good food for thought about life after the wedding as well as great wedding style. Miss Paisley posted about the Five Love Languages book, which I bought and am discussing with the FI. Thanks ladies!

 
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jordynrose
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jordynrose (message)  6,351 posts, Bee Keeper

Great post! We all needed this.

 
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Miss Octopus (message)  1,446 posts, Bumble bee

I think this is such a great post, Miss Oyster! Mr. Octopus and I have discussed this at length, and it’s been really comforting to know that we are on the same page about balancing our financial and family priorities.

 
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MrsJellybean227
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MrsJellybean227 (message)  500 posts, Busy bee

Thank you for posting this. It was a great post. Speaking about your dad how much he worked reminds me of my dad, and how my fiance wants to start our marriage. I actually quoted your blog and emailed it to him. Your post helped me put my feelings over my fiance’s potential new job into words. Thank you

 
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alivoo01
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alivoo01 (message)  2,622 posts, Sugar bee

Me and FI’s upbringing and understanding of money is day and night! I’m like you minus the spreadsheets while he’s more just eh w/e and buys (in the past) which has been a slight burden on our current relationship as we’re paying for his past mistakes. He’s better now as he consults with me prior to a major purchase, but occassionally, he has his impulses of a great deal… Eep!

 
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Mrs. Oyster, Dallas Age and Occupation: 30, Music Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 46, Art Teacher Engagement Date: January 9, 2009 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: The Tower Club About Me: I'm a Texa-Californian with a penchant for sparkly things and a tendency to think a lot. I've been known to sing random songs or dance when there is no music on. My fiance and I love world culture, we love to travel, and we have an incredibly eclectic taste in music. We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to celebrate our marriage with our family & closest friends. We're planning an “urban black-tie” wedding and hope to incorporate our personalities and some of our own interests. We look forward to a life of love, laughter, good music, beautiful art, and to creating our home together with our four (!) cats.

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