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Mrs. Oyster, Dallas Age and Occupation: 30, Music Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 46, Art Teacher Engagement Date: January 9, 2009 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: The Tower Club About Me: I'm a Texa-Californian with a penchant for sparkly things and a tendency to think a lot. I've been known to sing random songs or dance when there is no music on. My fiance and I love world culture, we love to travel, and we have an incredibly eclectic taste in music. We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to celebrate our marriage with our family & closest friends. We're planning an “urban black-tie” wedding and hope to incorporate our personalities and some of our own interests. We look forward to a life of love, laughter, good music, beautiful art, and to creating our home together with our four (!) cats.
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Interculturally Speaking…

April 9th, 2010 @ 1:44 pm by Mrs. Oyster

Interculturally Speaking... :  wedding cultural dallas Bershan01 bershan01

In the past I’ve dated men outside my race, and there have been some less-than-successful results. One young man (we were in college) decided that color didn’t matter — at all. As it turned out, what that meant was that my color didn’t matter to him. Whenever issues of racism or culture came up, he said, “Color shouldn’t matter.” Um, okay.

I was in this relationship when my father died. Seeing his face upon exiting the funeral — the traditional, African-American Baptist funeral complete with gospel choir, singing, wailing, etc. — was priceless. It mattered.

Another boyfriend was almost indifferent. Black culture was foreign to him, and he liked it that way. I think I was a little “exotic”. ::sigh::

My fiance, who is white, offers total acceptance and understanding. I find it easy to talk to him about issues of race and culture, and he really “gets” me. This of course, is due to his loving personality, openness, and incredible cultural & societal awareness.

One of my favorite bloggers likes to say, “deciding who picks up the socks off the floor has nothing to do with race.” I agree; in the day-to-day, it doesn’t impact us much. But I’m writing this because I came across two intriguing articles about interracial relationships this week.

The first article is by guest author “C.L.” from Stuff White People Do. C.L. is an Asian woman who describes her experiences traveling internationally with her white boyfriend. I imagine the situation she describes will be familiar to some Asian Americans; the way her boyfriend re-frames and dismisses her issue is painfully familiar to me. The many intelligent comments posted there are also worth a read.

Over at Confessions of a Cybernegress, the author describes her husband’s embrace of her culture:

And for Rob, I think that’s the biggest part of it: family. He said something recently that struck me as both odd and true: “Black issues are my issues now. And when we have kids, they’ll be even more important to me.” My initial reaction was, “why aren’t black issues everyone’s issues?” But I understand his point of view: this is a world he’d never known before, and I can’t fault him for that. And while I won’t say that my husband is as invested in the health of the black community as I am, he does embrace my family as his—as much as I embrace his family as mine. And because I’m his wife, he wants to know how I see the world so he can adjust his own view. Because he’ll some day have black daughters, he wants to learn how they will grow up seeing the world, and how he can make their lives happier and healthier. He wants them to know their history includes strong, intelligent, good people—both black and white.

I think she gets to the heart of the issue here; her husband isn’t just interested in black issues because they’re “new” or “exotic” or some kind of novelty. He’s interested in those issues because they are related to her, and thus, to him.

Having a husband and who wants to understand your perspective and who truly embraces you, your family and your culture, is essential — no matter what color he is.

*Photo of Bershan & David by Justine Ungaro.

If you’re about to marry outside of your culture, how does this intercultural relationship compare with others you have had? How have you discussed your different viewpoints?

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august15bride
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august15bride (message)  1,667 posts, Bumble bee

I love this post! And it is so true - you can’t say “color shouldn’t matter” because…well, it does. It will matter to my children. It matters to my husband. It matters to my family. It matters to his family. It does not tear us apart - it enriches us. I grew up in a very white town. “Black issues” were foreign to me…until I fell in love with my now husband. Suddenly those foreign issues became very real. And because they matter to him, they matter to me.

 
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This was great to read-I’m “in between” two weddings with my Indian guy. We got married in India in Nov 2009 and our American wedding is in 8 days!!

We’ve definately had challenges with our intercultural relationship. One biggie has been Indian food-I don’t like it much. After being together 2 1/2 yrs., still don’t care for it. But I keep trying because I want our future children to grow up eating it (I’ll cook it) and for when I visit India…but it’s a real pain! Last night my guy had chicken curry and rice and I had ham and mac n cheese. LOL

We’ve had to both adapt (me so more than him since he’s been here 10 years) to cultural differences. For example, one week from today we will have 11 of his friends (from all over the U.S.) staying in our house for the wedding. Can I say AHHHHHH? But this is the Indian cultural norm, so I have to deal with it and learn to live with it. On a day-to-day basis, however, we really don’t see many noticeable differences between each other (culturally/racially related that is)…thanks for posting this! :)

 
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moderndaisy
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moderndaisy (message)  6,607 posts, Bee Keeper

I’ve never dated anyone outside of my race or even close to it. So I really can’t relate to interracial dating. But I totally understand seeing the world from each others perspective. I try to see the world as he does, as a man, and he does the same for me. I now have a lot more respect for what men go through in general and what societal pressures there are to work through. He has more respect for what women go through, especially those of us who still weren’t engaged in our mid-20’s and constantly ran the risk of being called ‘easy’ just for going on regular dates.

 
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10.10.10 (message)  118 posts, Blushing bee

I am white and marrying a Hispanic man. He is from Guatemala.
We started dating just before my last semester of college. I was working on a group project with a student from Mexico. He asked me if anyone ever made ugly comments to me about my relationship. I had absolutely no idea what he meant by that. He clarified by saying, “because you’re dating outside of your race.” Huh? I am? It honestly never crossed my mind. Apparently, it was a big issue for him and he’d received a lot of crap about it.
I’m from a small Southern town. There is still a ton of racial tension. I had friends of all races growing up. My parents also have friends of all races, so I guess I’ve just never looked at someone and only seen a color. I’m lucky.

 
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gill84
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gill84 (message)  725 posts, Busy bee

Thank you for posting about this! As another person in an inter-cultural relationship this topic is close to my heart, and I think it will foster some interesting dinner discussion tonight.

 
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FutureRicioli

Gotta say, I love the thought provoking and real world issues you are bringing to the hive, Miss Oyster. Thanks for bee-ing!

 
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JuneBride_26June2010
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JuneBride_26June2010 (message)  1,739 posts, Bumble bee

I agree with FutureRicioli. I am not marrying outside my culture or race - but I do love reading the insight you bring. Your posts are wonderful and extremely though-provoking. You’re one of my (many) favorite bees!

 
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Mrs. Glitter (message)  986 posts, Busy bee

I agree with FutureRicioli. I really love your posts and your perspective. I don’t comment much on the ‘Bee anymore (as an old married Bee), but when I’m around, I feel compelled to comment on your posts. Keep up the interesting writing :)

I just finished reading C.L.’s guest post, and I connected with everything she was discussing. I mostly dated outside of my race before I met Mr. G, and I frequently grappled with the same questions she poses and the feelings she so eloquently expressed throughout her piece.

You summed it up perfectly. Having someone who wants to understand you and embrace you wholly (regardless of race) is what matters in the end.

 
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Ms. E
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Ms. E (message)  132 posts, Blushing bee

I’m white and marrying a hispanic. Racism has never been something I’ve had to deal with until I started dating him (and became friends with his friends of many races) and started seeing it first hand. Luckily, it’s not something that we have to deal with very often. But being with a person of color has really help me to loosen up and not be so scared to talk about issues that are important to other races. As a white person, I always felt that I should just keep my mouth shut because what the h*ll do I know about the problems minorities face? Now that I’m surrounded by people of color, I realize that my perspective is important too!

 
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Miss Elephant
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Miss Elephant (message)  6,177 posts, Bee Keeper

Thanks for posting this! I’m in an inter-cultural relationship and it is very interesting to see how things can be in a different cultural. We’re learning about each other so our future kids will know both sides of their family.

 
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mander411
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mander411 (message)  735 posts, Busy bee

that quote made me tear up! Thanks for sharing. I don’t have a personal experience to draw upon between FH and I are both white. But I do have two (white) Aunts who married Japanese men and one (white) Uncle who married a Mexican woman, and have seen issues arise for them because of this, not from the family but outsiders. I just feel blessed to have been brought up in a very accepting family. I can honestly say I knew no different until I went off to college and saw how those ‘outsiders’ could be. I was appalled.

College friends (from a mainly white college) couldn’t believe I had black friends from home and those same black friends (who went to Howard, a predominantly black college) were told the same things from their new college friends “You had white people in your house?” upon them seeing high school photos of our slumber parties. We saw it from both sides of spectrum! Maybe we grew up in a bubble where it really didn’t matter? But I liked that bubble, it is outside that bubble everyone needs to grow the hell up!

 
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Miss Dolphin
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Miss Dolphin (message)  503 posts, Busy bee

Seriously amazing article. While the hubby and I are the same culture/race, I can see where it can sometimes bring unwanted/awkward situations to a relationship. I see it with my best friend whose boyfriend is Indian (his parents don’t like her, because she isn’t Indian! Which is CRAZY because she is the most driven and sweetest girl I know). But, really, I find it wonderful, learning about another culture’s traditions and values. I believe that love rises above it all. Thank you for your insight! I love your posts! Team Ocean Creatures!! LOL

 
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Miss Trail Mix (message)  6,308 posts, Bee Keeper

I have to say, I am so lucky that Mr TM randomly was Jewish (bc in college, I was not looking for a husband and so religion didn’t matter to me) bc it really makes life and wedding planning SO much easier! I can only imagine the difficulties are merging two cultures, especially around such a touchy subject as race…Good for you and Mr Oyster for embracing it all together!

 
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chelseamorning
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chelseamorning (message)  2,252 posts, Buzzing bee

I liked that you titled the post “Interculturally Speaking” rather than “Interracially Speaking.” Race can be an indicator of what culture you come from, but two people of the same race can also come from different cultures, just like two people of different races can come from the same culture, or nearly so. I think ultimately it is about finding someone who takes you and your culture seriously, no matter where you come from or what you happen to look like. So glad you found that in your fiance! Woohoo! I really enjoyed your post.

 
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Nerdette (message)  259 posts, Helper bee

I am learning Armenian for my honey, who is Canadian but speaks fluent Armenian with his family. I am Jewish and learned Hebrew at a fairly young age, so to tackle a completely foreign language is daunting, but has been done before. It is interesting for me to explore our similarities and differences. The best part is that it started as a project to speak to his family members and has turned into a wonderful learning experience for both of us.

 
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shantastic (message)  122 posts, Blushing bee

Thank you for posting this.

 
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GatorKate
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GatorKate (message)  115 posts, Blushing bee

I really enjoy all of your posts so much Miss Oyster, but this one I had a personal connection with.
I’ve been in an inter-racial relationship before, which opened my eyes to how close minded some people can be. I was raised by a very open minded mother, so I have always considered myself to be open minded, and the looks we would get in the mall always shocked me. My boyfriend now is Hispanic, and since I do believe that he is the man I will marry I have tried very hard to learn about his culture. I’m taking a Latin American cultures class at my college, because finding out more about his ancestry is genuinely interesting to me, because one day it will be part of my family, and part of my future children. It means something to me now, far more than it meant to me before, because I now have a personal connection to it.
I can’t wait to see my family 15 years done the road though, since my boyfriend is Cuban/Guatemalan, my cousin’s fiance is Peruvian, and my other cousin’s girlfriend is Asian (I do not know specifically where her family is from). We’ll be our own little melting pot of cultures. :)

 
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Mrs. Spaniel (message)  6,792 posts, Bee Keeper

As if I wasn’t aware enough (being the product of an interracial/-cultural relationship), marrying a white man opened my eyes further to this. He tries hard to see things from my perspective, but he will never fully be able to because… it’s just not the one he grew up with. Even the most understanding and accepting of white men will never know what it is to grow up as something other than white. But I appreciate that he tries, and understands where he fails.

 
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Ms Potato Chips (message)  1,193 posts, Bumble bee

Great, thought-provoking post Miss Oyster.

 
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Miss Sewing (message)  2,701 posts, Sugar bee

i like this post :) I’m also the product of a interracial/cultural relationship, so I’ve seen the trade-offs my whole life. I’ve never dated within my culture, because I never really had a standard “culture” to identify with. And with mr. sew, I’m a little weird, cause sometimes I feel I’m more a part of his culture than my own. though there are moments when our differences will pop up, and we’ll have to take a step back and work out missunderstandings.

 
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Mrs. Oyster, Dallas Age and Occupation: 30, Music Teacher Fiance's Age and Occupation: 46, Art Teacher Engagement Date: January 9, 2009 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: The Tower Club About Me: I'm a Texa-Californian with a penchant for sparkly things and a tendency to think a lot. I've been known to sing random songs or dance when there is no music on. My fiance and I love world culture, we love to travel, and we have an incredibly eclectic taste in music. We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to celebrate our marriage with our family & closest friends. We're planning an “urban black-tie” wedding and hope to incorporate our personalities and some of our own interests. We look forward to a life of love, laughter, good music, beautiful art, and to creating our home together with our four (!) cats.

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