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Ms Seahorse, Boston Age and Occupation: 25, Veterinary Jane-of-all-trades Fiancee's Age and Occupation: 36, former non-profit fundraiser in search of something better Engagement Date: October 17, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Fort Pond Lodge About Me: By day I'm a cat-wrangler, vet tech assistant, pet-sitter, receptionist, and pre-vet student, but the rest of the time, I'm a former-roller-derby girl turned dedicated-wedding planner. I love reading, writing, bicycles, animals, roller skating, and antique-y things of all sorts. I'm a vegetarian who likes spicy foods, while Fiancee Seahorse is a meat eater who does not like spices. We live outside Boston with our menagerie: a fifty pound dog, a one-eyed, seventeen-toed, toothless cat, and a perfectly put together cat who has a penchant for pooping near rather than in her litter box. In addition to planning our small lake-side wedding, we enjoy running around with the puppy, playing board games (Scrabble, anyone?), having little adventures, talking about how we should really clean the house more, and maintaining our little garden of vegetables and wedding flowers.
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As you recently read, a few weeks ago, the affianced, my mother, and I went to David’s bridal so I could try on some dresses. The experience is a story for another post, but what I will say is that both times we went—for her and for me—we crossed off “Groom” on the registration form and wrote in “Bride” or “Bride 2″ or something like that. Then we wrote both of our names, which I think are clearly female names, in the lines.

Since giving out my contact information to David’s Bridal, I have received at least one email every day with some terribly exciting offer. Dress all your ‘maids (apparently I need ‘maids)! Get the tux for the groom (and a groom?)! Mostly they are impersonal mass emails and I don’t think much about it before deleting them. Last night, however, I got this email:

“Dear Miss Seahorse,

Congratulations on your upcoming wedding!

My name is Maria Baumeister and I am a Health & Wellness Coach with Take Shape For Life. As you have recently registered with David’s Bridal, you now have access to a variety of services and vendors. Take Shape For Life and David’s Bridal Shops have recently joined together in an effort to help make your day even more special for you and all those involved.

There are many people who want to look their best for their wedding. Not only the bride and the groom [emphasis mine], but wedding parties and parents as well. Many people have expressed an interest in losing some weight “for the wedding”. That is where Take Shape For Life comes in.””

Blah blah blah.

The email continued, but I was stuck on “not only the bride and groom.” What about “not only brides and grooms” or “not only the two people getting married”?! So here’s what I wrote back:

“Hi Robin -

I wanted to ask to be removed from the mailing list, but I also wanted to point out that there is no groom in my wedding, as clearly indicated on my registration form. We are two women getting married to each other, and receive enough heteronormative messages in magazines and other advertisements – it’s frustrating to receive even more in my personal email. Next time, please check before mentioning “brides and grooms”. Please remove me from your list.

Thank you.”

I was frustrated and angry, and just pulled this out without too much thought. I think usually that I put a lot of time into sending an email like this, crafting the right response and making sure it will read *just right* – but this I just typed and sent. And look at the great response I got!

“Miss Seahorse,

Please except my sincere apologies – it was not meant to offend you in any way. I do appreciate your e-mail because to be honest, I had not even thought of this before! We are such a traditional country and traditional people, that we often forget about things that happen outside of the box, so to speak.

I have several clients who are in same-gender relationships so it was not a personal slight at all!

Again, please accept my apologies and I will make sure you are removed from the list.”

I feel much better.

Would you have responded to an email like this?

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49 Responses to “In Which Miss Seahorse Speaks Up”

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sapphirebride (message)  1,750 posts, Buzzing bee

I think you definitely did the right thing. Sure, it’s just spam, but getting that type of message over and over and over again is frustrating. And look–you made the writer realize the assumptions she was making.

Personally, I would have been offended by the weight loss sentiment–I can’t believe how much ‘weight loss’ spam and advertising I’ve been getting since being engaged! Sure, I want to be healthy and look my best, but not because I’m getting married.

 
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tashawilson (message)  118 posts, Blushing bee

i think your email was very well written. i, too, must admit i was insensitive to same gender (not intentionally). i am an assistant director for a child care center. while putting info into the computer, i did not notice on the paper work father scratched out and replaced by mom. i went ahead to overlook the first mom and the first page and input the second mom’s info only. they brought it to my attention and i felt like an arse. i immediately apologized and am not working on a new application where someone does not have to cross out anything. thanks for sharing your experience!

 
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Mrs. Hot Cocoa (message)  2,077 posts, Buzzing bee

First of all, congrats on getting off the David’s Bridal email list. They spam like nobody’s business, so that’s a huge feat. Most importantly, kudos for your email. I am not digging their response about “traditional” blah blah blah (and don’t even get me started on the inside/outside of the box metaphor — that’s exactly the heteronormativity you were writing about — but I appreciate the fact that they took the time to write back.

 
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

Good for you for speaking up! It’s great that she was receptive to it and apologized. I think it’s very true that all too often, we just tend to assume “wedding” means “bride and groom”.

 
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lilyfaith
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lilyfaith (message)  5,478 posts, Bee Keeper

I’m glad you wrote back! I’m usually the type who gets something like that and stews silently. I have to say, I’m glad she was kind and courteous in her reply, but two things bothered me - 1) she spelled “accept” incorrectly - “except.” Ugh. and 2) I’m kind of sick of the “traditional country” excuse. It’s used so often to excuse poor behavior - it reminds me of how uncomfortable I feel as an atheist when politicians use “traditional family values” as coded excuse to justify religion and politics mixing. Yes, as a country we have majorities - heterosexual, Protestant, white, whatever. But aren’t we supposed to celebrate how different we are? I’m sure she made an honest mistake and really just didn’t think about it - hopefully she won’t make that mistake again. But it does point to a much larger problem within our society.

 
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bohemianbailie (message)  980 posts, Busy bee

I agree with sapphirebride about all the assumption about losing weight and marriage going hand in hand! I cannot tell you how many times I was asked when trying on dresses if this was the weight I planned on being at the wedding!! I am curvier but seriously people my engagement ring did not come with a if you lose ten pounds only clause!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry went off on a rant !

 
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amaroo24 (message)  394 posts, Helper bee

David’s bridal spam is awful. I was really thankful to have found my dress elsewhere and got off their list ASAP. :-)

On the speaking up about ‘groom’ assumptions, congratulations!!! I think it is important for people to realized that others don’t fit what they consider normal. Some of my closest friends are married same sex couples (the joys of NY state recognizing another state’s marriage but that is a debate for another time) and I get so many strange looks when I talk about feminine name A’s wife or masculine name B’s husband. In general, I’ve started to use partner terminology because of the large number of heterosexual and homosexual couples I know.

 
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crayfish (message)  4,993 posts, Honey bee

Good for you! I also didn’t go to David’s Bridal on purpose because I find it profoundly irritating that they sell your information to absolutely any company that will purchase your private information from them.

 
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Gemstone (message)  5,681 posts, Bee Keeper

I respect what you did and am happy that you received such a positive response.

I, however, am a chicken and am unlikely to be so bold. :)

 
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fromcharleston (message)  651 posts, Busy bee

“we are a traditional country and traditional people”?!?!?! what on earth does that mean!?
i’m glad you got a satisfactory response, but that line still bothers me. does that mean that she sees you as non-traditional and therefore, not ok? it’s bugging me!

 
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ZoeKat
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ZoeKat (message)  590 posts, Busy bee

Go Seahorse! And I like the response, but the bit about a traditional country and traditional people irks me.

 
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brittanymichelle
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brittanymichelle (message)  878 posts, Busy bee

people have to be enlightened, and if that takes an e-mail from a bride marrying a bride, than so be it. at least you can check one company off your list of people who need to pull their heads out of their butts! lol, good job

 
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vttp926 (message)  538 posts, Busy bee

I don’t know what your names are Miss Seahorse but nowadays you can never tell if the name is for a male or a female. I remember back at the high school I was at the shop teacher was actually name Stacy. And just recently when I went to a training class for my job, the trainer thought I was going to be a man because when I came into the class, they were like well we are just waiting for Van, he is coming from Wadesboro and I had to correct them. But kudos to you Miss Seahorse from telling them they need to pay attention to what they are sending people.

 
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vttp926 (message)  538 posts, Busy bee

Sorry I forgot to include that Stacy was a male, the shop teacher.

 
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LoriLori
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LoriLori (message)  727 posts, Busy bee

Good for you! And although the reply you received was not perfect at least she took the time to respond to you and be apologetic!

 
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Miss Pin Cushion (message)  1,012 posts, Bumble bee

Nicely do, Miss Seahorse. I’m still weirded out by her statement in the response email that says, “We’re such a traditional country . . .” Huh?

 
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jduck84
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jduck84 (message)  1,529 posts, Bumble bee

I wonder if the “traditional” part was her way of sneaking in a judgment statement? Nevertheless, good for you for writing back.

I think the most annoying wedding-related spam I’ve gotten so far was from Crate and Barrel. It was a letter trying to make a joke about how the groom CAN write thank you letters too, oh haha.

 
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Miss Seahorse (message)  156 posts, Blushing bee

Thanks for your support everyone! Ugh, I think this was the first of many, many similar emails, but the only one I responded to. Not the best response ever, but better than nothing! And I did feel good about saying something.

 
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ginnyc (message)  553 posts, Busy bee

I agree, you were right to say something.

DB’s has called me FIVE times and left messages. Sheesh.

 
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I actually find her response even more offensive, calling your relationship “outside the box” and blaming our “traditional” country for her wording. She should have just said I didn’t realize the way my message could be interpreted, thanks for letting me know, we’ll definitely be conscious of it in the future, etc.

 
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Ms Seahorse, Boston Age and Occupation: 25, Veterinary Jane-of-all-trades Fiancee's Age and Occupation: 36, former non-profit fundraiser in search of something better Engagement Date: October 17, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Fort Pond Lodge About Me: By day I'm a cat-wrangler, vet tech assistant, pet-sitter, receptionist, and pre-vet student, but the rest of the time, I'm a former-roller-derby girl turned dedicated-wedding planner. I love reading, writing, bicycles, animals, roller skating, and antique-y things of all sorts. I'm a vegetarian who likes spicy foods, while Fiancee Seahorse is a meat eater who does not like spices. We live outside Boston with our menagerie: a fifty pound dog, a one-eyed, seventeen-toed, toothless cat, and a perfectly put together cat who has a penchant for pooping near rather than in her litter box. In addition to planning our small lake-side wedding, we enjoy running around with the puppy, playing board games (Scrabble, anyone?), having little adventures, talking about how we should really clean the house more, and maintaining our little garden of vegetables and wedding flowers.

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