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Mrs. Veggie, Raglan, New Zealand/Scranton, PA Age and Occupation: 27, Director of Small Non-Profit Fiance's Age and Occupation: 42, PhD Student & Farmer Engagement Date: June 13, 2009 Wedding Date: August 2010 Venue: Indian Head Camp, Honesdale Pennsylvania About Me: I am a tree-huggin' farmer turned enthusiastic wedding-planner. I live in a house truck and wear flip-flops more often than shoes. In my old life I was a high school Spanish teacher in love with a crazy guy who lived off-the grid on a farm in New Hampshire. But, we decided to mix things up a bit, quit our jobs and move to New Zealand. My southern hemisphere lifestyle involves growing veggies, teaching, running our small non-profit, and surfing. I love laughing, singing, playing, and the inspirational Mr. Veggie (of course!). For our wedding, I am committed to throwing a killer party that celebrates our values without breaking the bank. Look forward to an eco-thrifty summer-campy weekend-long extravaganza.
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Non-Tradition-al

May 26th, 2010 @ 2:45 pm by Mrs. Veggie

Mr. Veggie and I sat down this week to begin thinking about our ceremony. And, we’re feeling a little, um, culturally poor. While some brides and grooms are able to draw from a wealth of meaningful cultural or religious traditions when planning their ceremony, we secular results of the American melting pot are feeling just a little bit in the dark.

I mean, sure we’re Americans, but what exactly does that mean culturally? What are American cultural traditions and just how would such traditions come across in a wedding? I certainly doubt that our organic, locavore, eco-friendly wedding will reflect the values of a Mickey D’s-MTV-SUV nation.

So what are we left with? A blank slate? Not exactly.

I am half Latvian and half everything else, and Mr. Veggie is half Welsh and half French. (Hmm… what would a Latvian-French-Welsh wedding look like? Tom Jones in a beret drinking vodka? I digress.) But, having not grown up surrounded by these cultures, the traditions of our distant and not-so-distant European ancestors are, well… foreign.

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We are Americans, and as Mr. Veggie recently pointed out, having both been born on Turtle Island, are “native” Americans in that sense. We feel strong emotional ties that bond us to the mountains, rivers, forests, and lakes that helped us become who we are today. Moreover, our beliefs and values are closely aligned with the cyclical world-view associated with the indigenous cultures of North America. But, while both of us have had powerful connections at various points in our lives with Native American culture, genetically only one of us holds mere 1/32nd of Native American heredity.

I gather that with a little research, I most likely will discover some Native American and possibly even early colonial American, or latter day American marriage rites that ring true to us. I may even dig up some Latvian, Welsh, or French traditions too good to pass up. And we’ve actually already thought of a Maori tradition we’d like to include to represent our time in New Zealand. But it all seems a bit contrived. Are traditions still traditions when you pick and choose the ones you want to follow?

I suppose I could be thankful that we don’t feel pressured to include outlandish cultural elements into our big day. But really I just feel at a loss. How do we create an intimate special ceremony, that conveys our belief system and pays homage to elements of our heritage without making us look like giant posers?

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babymilka74
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babymilka74 (message)  515 posts, Busy bee

I wanted to incorporate a series of traditions in our wedding (the jewish chuppah, the quaker sharing ceremony, the sand ceremony, etc.) but my fiance didn’t like it because of the same contrived feeling. I liked it because to me it celebrated to diversity and prevalence of love. But there’s good arguments for both sides.

 
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ktbrady
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ktbrady (message)  1,054 posts, Bumble bee

I’m totally feeling this same way. We don’t have much religion, but the little we do have I am pimping out! I mean that in the most holy way. I’m Moravian (cookies, sugarcake, stars…ring a bell now?) so we will be featuring some Moravian cookies for sure. But other than that…we are culturally poor as well. Sucks to be so bland and white sometimes.

 
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ktisthatbees
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ktisthatbees (message)  2,742 posts, Sugar bee

hmm, I’m with you on this one. We have british, Scottish, Irish, French with a dash of Native American thrown in. But truthfully, I feel that if we incorporated some of these cultural traditions it would seem so unnatural, cause we aren’t really in touch with our origins. So my solution? Just say to he** with feeling the need to include them. They aren’t meaningful to use, and your wedding should be all about meaning.
The Dancing, the food, the time spent with family and friends? Trust me, it will be enough, and you won’t miss hand fasting, or jumping the broom, or what have you, cause they didn’t mean anything to you in the first place.

 
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Jessie Blum @ Eclectic Unions (message)  360 posts, Helper bee

I think it’s fine (and I often encourage my couples) to cherry pick rituals and traditions from cultures that feel relevant for you. If you like it, and you like the symbolism, I say go for it. I’ve had couples who asked me to call the breaking of the glass “An Eastern European Tradition” because they wanted a completely religious free ceremony, but smashing glass is so much fun. I’ve had couples who are not Persian or Indian incorporate a garland ceremony because it felt right for them. And I’ve had a lot of couples choose rituals that have very little to do with any specific tradition (sand ceremony, handfasting, water sharing, etc) because it felt right for them.

Do what feels right for you, and don’t feel bad about it.

 
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Miss Ribbons (message)  2,018 posts, Buzzing bee

We struggled with this since we both should be classified as secular humanists but I have a strong Polish Catholic background and he is Jewish. I don’t think you need street cred though :) The chuppah spoke to me because of its symbolism of the couple’s new home and it felt less contrived. As long as it does mean something to you, I think that’s enough license to use the tradition.

 
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kfowler
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kfowler (message)  44 posts, Newbee

I totally understand where you and all the rest of the bees are coming from. I’m totally a white country boy and my wife is country also, but she does have Native American and Eskimo in her as well. I think these are probably on total opposite ends of the totem poll(no pun intended). Our wedding was a success though. Yours will be too : )

 
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SweetPB
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SweetPB (message)  9 posts, Newbee

I totally agree and we’ve been having the same conversation. We realized recently that as our ceremony is now, we get up there, say a few things to each other, kiss and it’s over! Now we’re trying to come up with some kind of “unity ceremony” or reading or something that makes it more personalized. How about a “unity chinese finger trap”?? :)

 
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spellbound (message)  81 posts, Worker bee

I agree, I think it’s more important for you to include a “tradition” that you feel expresses your personalities, as opposed to feeling obligated to abide by rules just because of where/how you grow up. Choose what feels right for you, and make traditions of your own! I think those that attend your wedding will say, “wow, that was sooooo mr. and mrs. veg” instead of, “holyyyyy cow that was a shenanigan that had nothing to do with their heritage. What gives?” If it rings true to you, it will ring true to them, too.

 
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Miss Hot Dog (message)  317 posts, Helper bee

H.Dizzle and I are in the same boat! I’m using it as a creative license to do whateva we want!! ;)

 
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Miss Cardigan
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

We’re in the same boat too - I’ve been thinking about this lately. I’d like to find at least one ceremonial “tradition” or something to include in the ceremony, but I’m just not sure what.

 
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Miss Biner
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Miss Biner (message)  1,101 posts, Bumble bee

I know what you mean. I want to jump the broom and hang 1001 cranes. They’re both traditions that we really like and really speak to us, but I do feel like a poser since we’re just two WASPs (well, one WASP and one WAS) living in the deep south.

 
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klw

I think you should use whatever traditions feel meaningful to you (and not use traditions that don’t.) Or just do whatever you want to make your ceremony intimate and meaningful - through your choice of wording, music, etc. Make your own traditions!
And, as you pointed out, with some searching you could probably find an American tradition that you like - after all, there is still a lot more to American culture than McDonalds, MTV, and SUVs.

 
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lergx6 (message)  268 posts, Helper bee

I was just telling a friend of mine about this the other day!! I’d like to have some sort of tradition in our wedding, but between the lack of culturally American traditions and feeling like a poser for stealing a French or German tradition here or there leaves me with not much.
Eg: I’d love to (and plan to) have croquembouche at our wedding, a traditional French dessert, because 1) it’s french. i love french 2) it’s delicious 3) i tried making one as a kid and my mom was super proud of me so now i have this emotional attachment to it. Despite all that, I’ll still feel a little like a poser for serving it–like I’m not French enough to be allowed.

 
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jenandchris
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jenandchris (message)  734 posts, Busy bee

I totally feel you on this one. There are so many beautiful traditions out there that I read about and love, but have absolutely no connection to, other than reading a cool blog post about. The one thing I did want to break away from was to write our own vows (we’ll be having a ‘traditional’ Catholic mass), but FH said he really liked the traditional vows. The one thing I wanted to break away from!

So we’ll see where we go, but I totally understand how hard it feels. Not only the feeling that you have to justify having a non-tradition tradition involved, but then the pain of explaining the tradition itself, and possibly even WHY you chose to include the tradition!

 
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tea
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tea (message)  7,288 posts, Bee Keeper

if you’re not completely comfortable with obvious outward displays, then smaller, more subtle touches could be the order of the day. maybe a reading or a special dish like ktbrady’s cookies could fit the bill for you

 
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winter
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winter (message)  1,333 posts, Bumble bee

i really liked the traditional vows that husband’s uncle had. he said that he has used the same ceremony and i liked that we were all united by the same vows in marriage. It was nice for us, we dont like attention so we wanted to just say our vows and get out of the spotlight lol

 
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ILikePink
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ILikePink (message)  1,408 posts, Bumble bee

Wow, I can’t believe you just used the word Squaw in reference to American Indian women.

 
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CazS

As a Welsh bride, can i suggest a love spoon exchange? This happened at both my sister and my wedding.

Young members of the guests present the bride and groom with a love spoon to signify the start of their marriage together.

Love spoons are beautifully carved wooden spoons which include symbols that represent love, the family, strength etc. You’ll definitely be able to get some shipped to you from Wales.

My MIL has about 8 now which she was given for her wedding, the birth of her children and anniversaries. It’s a cute tradition.

Good luck finding something.

 
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Miss Veggie (message)  231 posts, Helper bee

@ILikePink: I certainly didn’t mean to be offensive to anyone, and didn’t realize the controversy surrounding that word. Is there a more appropriate alternative?

 
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Miss Veggie (message)  231 posts, Helper bee

PS- There is a really interesting thread about the etymology and usage of the word “squaw” here with both native and non-native voices represented: http://turtletalk.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/oxford-etymologist-on-the-word-squaw-indigenous-etymologist-needed/

Having done a bit of quick research and not coming up with any appropriate substitution, I’ll ask the editor to remove that line from my above post.

Again, just want to say that I didn’t mean to offend anyone. Thanks to IlikePink for bringing this up.

 
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Mrs. Veggie, Raglan, New Zealand/Scranton, PA Age and Occupation: 27, Director of Small Non-Profit Fiance's Age and Occupation: 42, PhD Student & Farmer Engagement Date: June 13, 2009 Wedding Date: August 2010 Venue: Indian Head Camp, Honesdale Pennsylvania About Me: I am a tree-huggin' farmer turned enthusiastic wedding-planner. I live in a house truck and wear flip-flops more often than shoes. In my old life I was a high school Spanish teacher in love with a crazy guy who lived off-the grid on a farm in New Hampshire. But, we decided to mix things up a bit, quit our jobs and move to New Zealand. My southern hemisphere lifestyle involves growing veggies, teaching, running our small non-profit, and surfing. I love laughing, singing, playing, and the inspirational Mr. Veggie (of course!). For our wedding, I am committed to throwing a killer party that celebrates our values without breaking the bank. Look forward to an eco-thrifty summer-campy weekend-long extravaganza.

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