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Ms Seahorse, Boston Age and Occupation: 25, Veterinary Jane-of-all-trades Fiancee's Age and Occupation: 36, former non-profit fundraiser in search of something better Engagement Date: October 17, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Fort Pond Lodge About Me: By day I'm a cat-wrangler, vet tech assistant, pet-sitter, receptionist, and pre-vet student, but the rest of the time, I'm a former-roller-derby girl turned dedicated-wedding planner. I love reading, writing, bicycles, animals, roller skating, and antique-y things of all sorts. I'm a vegetarian who likes spicy foods, while Fiancee Seahorse is a meat eater who does not like spices. We live outside Boston with our menagerie: a fifty pound dog, a one-eyed, seventeen-toed, toothless cat, and a perfectly put together cat who has a penchant for pooping near rather than in her litter box. In addition to planning our small lake-side wedding, we enjoy running around with the puppy, playing board games (Scrabble, anyone?), having little adventures, talking about how we should really clean the house more, and maintaining our little garden of vegetables and wedding flowers.
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… and “it” is money.

I was talking to a good friend of mine a couple of years ago, and she pointed out that there are two major topics that everyone is always in some sort of tizzy about, and they happen to be the two topics that we all have to deal with in some way, at some point: sex and money. In general, our education around these things is briefly touched upon in school, but mostly left up to our parents, and often parents don’t know how to talk about it, either because it’s awkward or doesn’t come up. So for both issues, we are left to figure things out ourselves. Which, if I may say so myself, completely sucks.

You make a lot of mistakes and have to do a lot of experimenting to make things work for yourself and for your partnership. No one rule works for everyone – and that is really frustrating. Why can’t someone just give me all of the answers?

Another friend emailed me recently and said that a lot of her couple-friends are keeping their finances separate, even after they marry. I think these were all straight couples she knew, and she was wondering how that worked for us. So here you go: a peek into the great money issue of Seahorse and Fancee.

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talking about money makes her want to bite me.

Here is our background: I make very little money. I qualify for the state-sponsored health care because I am so poor (but I get better health insurance through work, so that’s what I do). Fancee was making about twice as much as I was when we first got together, and even after she left that job and was receiving unemployment, her income was quite a bit more than mine. To even things out, we split our rent unevenly – she pays a little bit more and I pay a little bit less, and we are both saving about the same percentage of money now compared to what we were paying before we moved in together. For everything else – utilities, groceries, Zipcar – we decided to split things evenly.

And therein lay the problem. We ran into “I’ll get this one and you can pay me back,” and “Can you get Zipcar for my job? I’ll pay you back” and so on, but we only remembered to settle up every couple of months, and then we were a little freaked out because “You owe me a thousand dollars!” sounds like a really big deal. Even if it evened out (which it usually did) and one of us only owed the other one ten dollars or something silly like that. It was a huge stressor in our relationship.

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a healthy reaction to a relationship stressor

So I got us a credit card. An REI credit card, because we like to shop there, it’s a co-op, and we thought we would get some fun rewards from it. If you already shop there a lot, it’s totally worth it. And this made things so much easier. Groceries? I’ll just put it on the card. Gas? That goes on the card too! Out for dinner (back in the day)? REI card! And once a month we sat down and paid the whole thing off.

Besides that, we have a joint checking account that we don’t really use (since we each just pay off half of the REI card) and a savings account that we’re using for wedding savings. Other than that, we keep things separate. I have my cards for certain things, and I have my systems for transferring money into savings (I set up an automatic transfer every month, then move it if I’m desperate for it) and she has hers (not entirely known to me, but that’s okay).

I suspect that once we’re married, things will merge a little bit more, since we’ll be saving for even more things together. It seems to me that figuring out money is a huge part of having a non-stressful relationship, but also something that we’ll be constantly working on as job situations change (I will go back to school full time in a couple of years – big adjustments!) and life goals change (pay off the car, buy a house, move across the country, get five more puppies, adopt one well-behaved puppy).

One point in all this that has been a big struggle is something that my therapist finally hit on the head after a year or so of talking about it: for me, money is a way to safety, a means of security; for Fancee, it is a way to comfort, and a means of self-care. These two approaches often cause us to butt heads – I say things are tight, and to feel better we need to save; she says things are hard, and to feel better we should go out for a nice dinner. We’re working to find a balance, and now that we have named this, it is easier to understand, but again, I suspect it is something we’ll be working on for a while.

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Hard at work, working on our relationship. Can’t you tell?

I have absolutely no idea how this compares to anyone else. What have you done in relationships, financially? How do you balance things and not feel taken advantage of, or like you’re not pulling your own weight?

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CHK (message)  597 posts, Busy bee

Great post! We’re doing the yours, mine, ours approach, and juuuusssttt getting settled into it. He makes twice what I do, so joint expenses are split to reflect that. I pay about a third of our mortgage. The rest we split fairly equitably.

Our sticking point is savings. I like to set goals, figure out how long it will take me to get there, and then have the money auto-deducted from my account at the beginning of the month so I don’t even have the opportunity to spend the money. He, on the other hand, would rather go through a month, and then save whatever is left. Which doesn’t work for me. So we’re trying to figure that out!

 
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sironel (message)  404 posts, Helper bee

We have separate accounts, but I manage both, and I pay some bills out of his and some bills out of mine. I transfer him spending cash and transfer his checks into my account to pay the bills and put into saving. Don’t ask me why, but it works for us. We know how much we are bringing in. And even though he pays for some of my bills and I pay for some of his, we keep the separate checking accounts, mostly because he is paid weekly and I am paid twice a month. 1st and 15th.

 
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Mrs. Nachos (message)  1,733 posts, Bumble bee

I sompletely agree with the confusion of figuring it out on your own, my dad HATES to talk about money but I do know that the way my parents handle money is very different from how we do. We have a joint checking/debit account that we created for the wedding that we’ll leave open for a nest egg, and we’re keeping separate checking and savings accounts. I write him a check for half the rent and he covers the other half and utilities. It will probably change down the road cause it doesn’t really make sense for both of us to write a check every month, but for now, it’s been working well.

 
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we each make exactly the same amount of money. exactly! So we just have our paychecks deposited into a joint account. Everything is paid for with that money. We each get to take out $100/paycheck from the joint account and put it into our own separate savings accounts to spend however we want. For me, that’s usually purses. For him, video games. Who knows what we’ll do once we each make different salaries.

 
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

We both want to completely merge our finances once we get married, but we still need to sit down and talk about the logistics of it all!

 
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soontobewalsh (message)  263 posts, Helper bee

Right now he has his own checking & savings accounts and I have mine. Each month we each pay what we are responsible for and figure out who owes how much to whom. Write up the check and we’re done. We split everything in the middle.

I think once we are married and have purchased a home it might change slightly as we will probably set up an account for household bills and each contribute to it.

Other than that though, my money is staying in my personal checking account. I just feel that as long as I am paying what I need to around the house, the rest of my money is mine and it’s up to me what I want to do with it.

 
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Bunny2010 (message)  210 posts, Helper bee

YOU ARE A GENIUS. My FI and I have been trying to figure out this money thing for YEARS. Thank you thank you thank you for that brilliant idea.

 
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flurrsprite (message)  134 posts, Blushing bee

ooh, great idea!

right now fi and i make diddly squat, but it varies depending on the month (we’re both contractors, so sometimes i have a job and he doesn’t, or we both have jobs but his pays more, etc) and since we don’t have a whole lot saved up yet (plus he has a tons of loans so even if he makes more it kind of evens out), we kind of do the “okay, this month i’m getting the majority of the groceries and you focus on making your half of the rent”.

fi wants to combine our accounts but i’m not so sure… i feel like keeping my own account will make me feel tons better about buying “frivolous” things, and that we should just have a joint house-stuff account.

amusingly enough, one of the big probs is actually that neither of us wants to leave our (different) banks hahahaha!

 
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My fiancee and I completely share our finances. For a while, she was making more money than me and now, she’s definitely making more money than me, seeing as how I lost my job and am now about to go back to school full-time, while waiting to hear on my unemployment. Regardless of whether or not this money starts coming in, all of our money goes to a joint bank account. We both have debit cards but I very, very, very rarely use mine. She pretty much takes care of all of it. Whenever I need or want something, she’ll usually take care of that, too, so it’s not like I have no money to spend on myself. Our upcoming wedding (a week from today!) was mainly funded on our tax returns from earlier this year… May not work for everyone but it works well for us. We literally never fight about money.

 
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Veggie (message)  6 posts, Newbee

With my exboyfriend of a looong time ago, it was always split. He had his financials (of which I knew everything) and I had mine (of which he knew little). We split everything 50/50 always. We each had our own phone accounts and misc payments, but shared bills like rent, electric, etc was always split.

With my fiance, however, we combined finances pretty much right away. We are a couple, a unit, so we both see it as “it’s not my/your money, it’s our money.” We buy for our future together. We respect the other person’s income and don’t blow an entire paycheck on bullshit, but we also don’t fret if we want to buy lunch or something for ourselves independant of the other person.

IT’s tough, sometimes, because we are EXACTLY the same way as you - I want to save, he wants to spend, but for the most part it works out really well.

 
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Miss Trail Mix (message)  6,328 posts, Bee Keeper

Money is a touchy subject, for sure! For some reason tho, FH and I are very laze faire about money, and don’t keep tabs at all, which is kinda wierd…Also, you two are the cutest things ever!

 
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ejs4y8 (message)  14,581 posts, Bee Keeper

We do “yours/mine/ours” which allows me to spend on some things and save on others, him to save/spend, and US to save/spend, while still feeling like we are somewhat independent. I could never, ever, 100% combine finances with a person and ever feel ok with it. Luckily he feels the same way

My parents have a significant amount of separate money and they’re on 27+ years together. I’ts whatever works =]

 
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red_seattle (message)  429 posts, Helper bee

we considered doing totally separate finances, but the more we talked about it, the more complicated it seemed things would get in the long run. (Who pays for the kids’ back to school clothes? Who pays for the dog’s vet visit? Who is saving for the kids’ college funds? etc.) So, we have a joint account for all our expenses and then a certain amount goes from there into our separate checking accounts each month. So, my husband can buy a jacket at work (he works for REI, btw!) and not feel like he has to explain why he needs ANOTHER rain jacket. And, I can buy shoes and not have to explain why I need ANOTHER pair of heels. Neither of us ever feel guilty about what we make bc we have the same spending money and our paychecks all go to a common pot.

 
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in no way am i suggesting what you should do about your own personal situation, because what you do is your own business, but has fancee ever considered finding a job - any job - that may ease the financial burden that you are currently carrying? i know it may not be her ideal, but sometimes, we all have to do things just to get by.

 
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futurediplomatswife (message)  524 posts, Busy bee

This is off-topic, but can I just say how much I adore the sweet and hilarious photos you typically include with your (always interesting) posts?! Keep ‘em coming, lady!

 

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Ms Seahorse, Boston Age and Occupation: 25, Veterinary Jane-of-all-trades Fiancee's Age and Occupation: 36, former non-profit fundraiser in search of something better Engagement Date: October 17, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Fort Pond Lodge About Me: By day I'm a cat-wrangler, vet tech assistant, pet-sitter, receptionist, and pre-vet student, but the rest of the time, I'm a former-roller-derby girl turned dedicated-wedding planner. I love reading, writing, bicycles, animals, roller skating, and antique-y things of all sorts. I'm a vegetarian who likes spicy foods, while Fiancee Seahorse is a meat eater who does not like spices. We live outside Boston with our menagerie: a fifty pound dog, a one-eyed, seventeen-toed, toothless cat, and a perfectly put together cat who has a penchant for pooping near rather than in her litter box. In addition to planning our small lake-side wedding, we enjoy running around with the puppy, playing board games (Scrabble, anyone?), having little adventures, talking about how we should really clean the house more, and maintaining our little garden of vegetables and wedding flowers.

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