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Ms Seahorse, Boston Age and Occupation: 25, Veterinary Jane-of-all-trades Fiancee's Age and Occupation: 36, former non-profit fundraiser in search of something better Engagement Date: October 17, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Fort Pond Lodge About Me: By day I'm a cat-wrangler, vet tech assistant, pet-sitter, receptionist, and pre-vet student, but the rest of the time, I'm a former-roller-derby girl turned dedicated-wedding planner. I love reading, writing, bicycles, animals, roller skating, and antique-y things of all sorts. I'm a vegetarian who likes spicy foods, while Fiancee Seahorse is a meat eater who does not like spices. We live outside Boston with our menagerie: a fifty pound dog, a one-eyed, seventeen-toed, toothless cat, and a perfectly put together cat who has a penchant for pooping near rather than in her litter box. In addition to planning our small lake-side wedding, we enjoy running around with the puppy, playing board games (Scrabble, anyone?), having little adventures, talking about how we should really clean the house more, and maintaining our little garden of vegetables and wedding flowers.
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A lot of people in my life have been having babies recently, and some other people have been asking about our future offspring. Someone recently said, “I know that early in a relationship you should ask the important things like about kids, money, career, etc. but that doesn’t seem like first date convo… when do you ask those questions?” I’m curious about your thoughts and experiences on this one, and here are mine:

I don’t know what the “rule” is about these questions, but I do think that if you know where you stand on an issue, and you feel strongly about it, it’s worth bringing up pretty early in a relationship. Not first-date-early —I think at that point you’re still trying to figure out if you have a connection, if you’re interested, if they’re interested. But probably third-date-early. And part of it, I think, is that not everyone has issues that they need to bring up; some people are flexible about a lot of things and would change their stance on an issue (kids, geography, etc) if it was for the right person. But if you aren’t flexible, and you know that, I think it’s your responsibility to bring it up pretty early, so that you’re not put in a place where you have to choose between two things you really, really care about (an established relationship and your desire for children, for example).

Very early on in my relationship with Fancee, we went to eat lunch outside, and we were sitting there, eating, when she got a really nervous look on her face.

And then she finally sort of awkwardly said something like, “Look, I really don’t want to have kids. I’m not going to change my mind. It’s something I’ve thought about and something I feel strongly about, and I want to tell you now in case it’s a deal breaker*.”

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Us being adorable at our lunch spot, where above-referenced conversation occurred

Spoiler alert! We are getting married. It was not a deal breaker. But here is some background on the issue for me:

Shortly before Fancee and I started dating, my lady-bits doctor found a mass or lump or cyst or something that made me go to a specialist, blah blah blah… let’s just say that I spent a weekend freaking out because I thought that if I wanted to have kids, I would need to have them, like, right now or probably never. I called my awesome male friend E, with whom I had planned to have babies once I realized I was a big ol’ lesbian, and said, “Let’s get this party started!” and he said, “Okay, let’s do it in a year so we can be financially stable.” Yeah, look how responsible we were even in a baby panic.

So I spent the weekend being like, “I want babies! I think! Wait, maybe I don’t want babies. I mean, how strongly do I really feel about this whole deal? My life is kind of awesome. Maybe I don’t need babies. Why do I want babies anyway?” And by the end of the weekend, I had decided that if it was now or never, I would pick never. And I really felt comfortable with that.

Back to the story:

So when Fancee said, “I don’t want children. Is that something that you are comfortable with?”, my response was, “Well… can we get a dog?”

And, obviously, that worked out just fine.**

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yes, Fancee is in Daphne’s crate in this picture. Not unusual.

So my answer to the question is that I think kids is something to talk about early, if you know you do or don’t want them. I think that money is a conversation that we are all always learning to have, especially in relationships. I think that careers change and that they are a pretty personal decision, and that can be a conversation you have later, too, though I think it was pretty early on that I said, “I might need to move across the country for vet school, depending on where I get in,” and Fancee agreed to go with me.

(Side note, sort of: if you do want or definitely don’t want the things that your date doesn’t or does want, don’t give up the things that you feel strongly about. There’s someone out there who wants the same things. But if you find someone wonderful and you don’t feel strongly, then compromise is fun; and sometimes you don’t even have to compromise, you just agree, and that’s even more fun!)

Dearest readers, what do you think? Have you had this conversation with people you’ve dated? When do you ask these questions?

* Fancee does like babies, she just doesn’t want any, and that’s okay.
** For the record, I have never wanted children the way I wanted a dog. I’ve been wanting a dog since I was about 2. I’m not exaggerating. I have wanted kids, oh, every so often, usually around the time of the month when I’m ovulating. I find that the desire for children is easily cured by going somewhere where there are a lot of them, like the Science museum; conversely, the desire for a dog is only amplified when I am surrounded by them. I think that says a lot.

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sapphirebride
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sapphirebride (message)  1,747 posts, Bumble bee

I think it’s hard to say what issues you feel that strongly about *until* you know it is the right person. Which is why I would hesitate about advising that these conversations happen *so* early. Because for some people, maybe they’ve never wanted a baby and feel very strongly about it…until they learn why the other person feels so strongly in the other direction. I think that it is reasonable to change your mind or your beliefs about something in order to accommodate someone you love. I’ve seen a lot of friends mess up relationships that were going well because they decided to have these serious conversations while a relationship was still forming. I would say that unless you feel that something is absolutely, 100% a deal breaker, you should wait until you think the relationship is quite serious before bridging what you will and will not give up.

 
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CorgiTales
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CorgiTales (message)  9,861 posts, Bee Keeper

I kind of agree with Sapphirebride. I was always SURE I didn’t want kids. Like totally sure. Like told my whole family and my mom had almost made peace with it sure. Then I met my FI and I realized…. it wasn’t that I didn’t want kids… it was that I didn’t want to do it alone and every guy I’d ever dated I didn’t think would be a good dad. When I realized he’d be an awesome dad…. all of a sudden I was like woah… maybe I want to do this? Lol

 
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tksjewelry
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tksjewelry (message)  9,769 posts, Bee Keeper

Kids have been a deal breaker for me for more than ten years. I was on a first date on New Years Eve, on the way the guy started to talk about kids. Woo, I told him when we got to the big event he needed to find someone else to have fun with as we obviously were not for each other. We are still great friens till this day, but not the guy for me.

 
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Miss Cardigan
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

It would have been a dealbreaker for me if Mr. C didn’t want kids, I think. I’ve always wanted to have kids someday, and while I know I’m not ready for them anytime in the near future, I definitely want to have them sometime down the road!

 
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walkunafraid
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walkunafraid (message)  138 posts, Blushing bee

Having kids was definitely a dealbreaker for me–as in, absolutely, positively, I will never have children. I told FI on our second date, and he was okay with it. Turns out he didn’t really want them either but assumed that the girl he’d fall for would want them. So I felt strongly, he was ambivalent, and it all worked out :)

 
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Miss Jellyfish
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Miss Jellyfish (message)  1,450 posts, Bumble bee

Dogs > Kids. I am actually kind of scared I will never be able to love a human child as much as I love our dog. But we do both want kids, and we knew that early on. I think it’s great that you guys are on the same page, and this post cracked me up (lady-bits doctor? I think I might have to start using that).

 
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mak418
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mak418 (message)  693 posts, Busy bee

Hee! For us, it actually did come up on the first date. He’s got two (grown) kids already, and I’ve never hankered to have any, so we’re all good. (and I’m getting two awesome stepkids, to boot!) And really… you shouldn’t keep Fancee in the crate so often. (hehehe) :P

 
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Honestly, I always thought that I didn’t want kids. It’s not that I don’t like them, it’s that mothering is not my first instinct and a career means much more to me and makes me more excited than being a mom. And I hated the idea of being a stay-at-home mom while my man worked (that’s just how I felt). So I considered it a deal breaker, and my man said he didn’t want kids either. But…over the course of our relationship, I started realizing that having a child with my man would be such a magical thing, and I wouldn’t mind if I happened to get pregnant, and there are ways to raise a child while still being able to work. It was hilarious, because on one of our dates we both just looked at each other and at the same time were like “it wouldn’t be so bad having kids, you know.” :D So it’s still not our number one priority, but we will probably be parents someday because we finally found that one person we would want to raise a child with.

 
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LA Bride

I love your last bit ** For the Record** - That is excatly how my fiancee and I feel. We certianly love children (he loves the bigger ones that he can build things with), but really have no desire to devote 18+ years of our lives to raising one. Call us selfish, but ultimately, we are happy to be on the same page with each other on a particularly large issue.

 
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marieta (message)  339 posts, Helper bee

I think having kids or not is a VERY important thing to establish early on in a relationship. I’ve seen too many unhappy couples who didn’t talk about it before: couples where one person does and the other doesn’t, and now there’s tons of pressure and resentment; couples who had kids and are now unhappy about it, especially if one of them “gave in” to the other; couples where the one who wants kids didn’t believe the other when he said he never wanted them and thought she could change his mind.

Having kids is not something you can undo and it’s not something you can compromise on. You have them or you don’t. And if you have them, that’s it, there’s no going back. So it’s a decision I think should be firmly established and agreed upon by both parties. And if the position is undecided on both sides, that’s fine, but it should still be talked about and people should trust their prospective partners to know their own minds and take them at their word.

The kid issue is a dealbreaker for me… I don’t want them, never have, never will. I would not get into a relationship with someone who wanted kids. It’s not negotiable. I can compromise and negotiate differences in religion, habits, chores, all sorts of things… but not kids.

 
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Toffee
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Toffee (message)  1,191 posts, Bumble bee

Comng from a family with three kids I was never really sure whether I wanted children of my own (typical middle-child syndrome), but I knew early on that my fiance didn’t want children. He also didn’t want to move away from his hometown like I did. I’ve always wanted to live in the area he lived in, so that wasn’t a compromise, but I knew then that I did want at least one child. It’s taken a lot of talking about it, but we have decided to have at least one and I must admit, his brother’s little boy has helped convince him that some kids are cute and amazing and not little brats trying to break or steal all of your stuff (kind of like his sister’s kids). So in the end we have both compromised some and agreed to the compromises, but I think in the end it’s still going to be a work in progress.

 
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redherring
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redherring (message)  1,969 posts, Buzzing bee

“I find that the desire for children is easily cured by going somewhere where there are a lot of them, like the Science museum; conversely, the desire for a dog is only amplified when I am surrounded by them.” - Wow. You nailed this perfectly. I’m the exact same way.
I’m pretty sure my fiance and I had the “We don’t want kids” discussion on date #2. I knew that was a huge deal breaker for me, and I’ve known too many people who had that talk so far into their relationship that hearts ended up broken when the two of them disagreed.
Two of our friends differ in their childbearing enthusiasm. He *really* wants kids and she’s mostly ambivalent, but she knew that children were a part of the deal when they got married. I’m not sure if that’s the wisest approach, but I really hope it works for them.

 
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Seahorse, I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoy your posts. They are so honest, so thought-provoking, so engaging, and leave me thinking for a long time afterwards. Thank you for writing and sharing your journey with us. I hope you keep the posts coming!

 
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Miss Seahorse (message)  156 posts, Blushing bee

Thanks so much Kate :) This made my day!

 
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lilyfaith
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lilyfaith (message)  5,478 posts, Bee Keeper

You have no idea how good it makes me feel that there’s someone else out there who values having animals over kids. My fiance and I are the same way (and, um, currently have 2 cats, 1 dog, and 1 horse) and entertain the idea of having kids every once in awhile. And then push “that” age back - like, “well, we should buy a condo and finish grad school and be stable in our careers before we have kids.” We just don’t have that same happiness from the thought of having kids as we do from our animals.

 
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Miss Pashmina (message)  190 posts, Blushing bee

I wonder how many people who don’t want kids stick to that feeling or if that changes with age, circumstance, whatever. I wonder if anyone’s done a survey…I’d be heartbroken if my FI didnt want children but I dont know what I would do. Is that worth dumping someone you love for? I’m not sure…maybe they would have to be put in the friend zone. But, then, I’ve wanted kids since I was 2 ;)

 
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I think it is definitely important to get these issues out of the way.

For me, someone not wanting to have kids is a deal breaker. Furthermore, having children in an age range I am comfortable with is also a deal breaker. I believe that it is something worth dumping someone over - which is why I was sure to discuss it with my partner very early on in our relationship. Fortunately, he feels much the same as me, which I am thankful for.

And it goes both ways. I think it is dangerous for people to assume that the other will change their mind and bend to their needs.

 
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serasvictoria
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serasvictoria (message)  630 posts, Busy bee

I always talk about these things on the second date! If the guy I was dating definitely wanted kids or definitely DIDN’T want kids then I kicked them to the curb.

Yes, I realize that sounds weird, but stuff happens in life. I would like to have kids, but if I can’t have them naturally then I don’t want them (not into adopting). My insurance company covers up to two In Vitro treatments. If those fail, then I’m not spending money out of pocket to have kids.

My FI understands this and we are on the same page. He says while having kids would be a nice thing (eventually), it doesn’t change the fact he wants to spend the rest of his life with me. Not having kids is not a deal breaker.

I think lots of couples discuss the “do we want or do we not want” kids, but very few people discuss “what happens if we can’t have kids” which is a lot touchier subject. I mean, I’ve had friends get divorced because they found out she couldn’t have kids and it was a deal breaker. I didn’t want to ever be in that situation.

 
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beccaod
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beccaod (message)  46 posts, Newbee

I’m pretty sure we covered it relatively soon, maybe date 3. He is from a family of 6 kids so I knew he was really interested in having kids (and possibly lots) from the beginning. Luckily I’m excited about kids too, just don’t need them this week :)

I think its better to just get it out there and be aware of the person’s decision right away rather than avoid it. And people may change their minds, like CorgiTales, but its better to know what the other is thinking.

 
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winter
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winter (message)  1,333 posts, Bumble bee

i am so happy that this worked out for you. although maybe too early may not be the best but when things start getting serious? honestly i dont know when would be a good time i guess the couple would know? i dont know how but my husband knew that i wanted kids becuase of the way i always talked about things, but he also knows that i want a dog so i guess it’s a double whammy.

 
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Ms Seahorse, Boston Age and Occupation: 25, Veterinary Jane-of-all-trades Fiancee's Age and Occupation: 36, former non-profit fundraiser in search of something better Engagement Date: October 17, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Fort Pond Lodge About Me: By day I'm a cat-wrangler, vet tech assistant, pet-sitter, receptionist, and pre-vet student, but the rest of the time, I'm a former-roller-derby girl turned dedicated-wedding planner. I love reading, writing, bicycles, animals, roller skating, and antique-y things of all sorts. I'm a vegetarian who likes spicy foods, while Fiancee Seahorse is a meat eater who does not like spices. We live outside Boston with our menagerie: a fifty pound dog, a one-eyed, seventeen-toed, toothless cat, and a perfectly put together cat who has a penchant for pooping near rather than in her litter box. In addition to planning our small lake-side wedding, we enjoy running around with the puppy, playing board games (Scrabble, anyone?), having little adventures, talking about how we should really clean the house more, and maintaining our little garden of vegetables and wedding flowers.

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