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Ms Seahorse, Boston Age and Occupation: 25, Veterinary Jane-of-all-trades Fiancee's Age and Occupation: 36, former non-profit fundraiser in search of something better Engagement Date: October 17, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Fort Pond Lodge About Me: By day I'm a cat-wrangler, vet tech assistant, pet-sitter, receptionist, and pre-vet student, but the rest of the time, I'm a former-roller-derby girl turned dedicated-wedding planner. I love reading, writing, bicycles, animals, roller skating, and antique-y things of all sorts. I'm a vegetarian who likes spicy foods, while Fiancee Seahorse is a meat eater who does not like spices. We live outside Boston with our menagerie: a fifty pound dog, a one-eyed, seventeen-toed, toothless cat, and a perfectly put together cat who has a penchant for pooping near rather than in her litter box. In addition to planning our small lake-side wedding, we enjoy running around with the puppy, playing board games (Scrabble, anyone?), having little adventures, talking about how we should really clean the house more, and maintaining our little garden of vegetables and wedding flowers.
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Would You Say No…? Well, Yes.

June 23rd, 2010 @ 1:24 pm by Ms Seahorse

Alright, hive, I have alluded to this little story before, but only now have I the energy to sit down and actually write it. This long-time-coming tale is one of almost-engagement, non-engagement, and pre-engagement. This is an anecdote of detail and “what is an engagement, really?”

And onto it:

Fancee totally did not want to marry me.

Okay, I’m way exaggerating. I think she made it quite clear that a part of her did want to marry me. But another, larger part of her was clinging desperately to her single-dom, her independence, and the sense of self that she had spent several years fostering. I think that sometimes a relationship can threaten a sense of self – if it’s a good relationship, you can get past that and hopefully both people help foster each others’ sense of self, but in a less-than-awesome relationship, you can really lose yourself. Which, on a side note, is something I am very familiar with.

I think it was about five weeks into our relationship that I started thinking about marriage.

I remember, actually, the first time it crossed my mind, because it crossed my mind totally uninvited and I actually startled a little bit. I was like, “Hey, marriage-thought, how the hell did you get here? Make yourself comfortable.” We were walking near Harvard Square, and we were holding hands, and we probably weren’t talking because I remember thinking about us and our age difference (we’re 11 years apart – surprise?) and whether that would affect our relationship. And that’s when the thought crossed my mind: “It’ll probably only come up when we get married.”

Okay:

  1. What the heck kind of thought is that, to randomly cross one’s mind?
  2. We had been dating – have I said this already? – for approximately a month. A month! Enough said.
  3. Really, the logic is flawed. How would an age difference really affect our wedding? It didn’t occur to me that it would affect our relationship or our marriage – just our wedding. Where does that come from?

I spent the next few months discussing with my roller derby carpool buddy whether I was crazy (answer: no) and whether to actually say anything (answer: hell no). We talked about really, really loving someone and how sometimes you can’t say more than “I love you,” but that “Will you marry me?” is like saying, “No, I really really love you,” and that sometimes you should wait until you’ve been together at least 6 months and try to find other ways to express that in the meantime. In retrospect, this is not the case for everyone… but I think it’s pretty good advice.

Fast forward a few months: it’s December, we are at Fancee’s friend’s house for dinner, and we have both had a bit too much wine (another side note: that means approximately one glass each. We are very small people.). We go to wait in line for the bathroom, and we are all lovey and sweet and happy together. At this point, we have been together about 8 months. That’s a reasonable amount of time. And I, in my drunken lack-of-inhibition-ness, say, “If I asked you to marry me, would you say no?”

She looks at me and says, “No.” And then she goes into the bathroom.

So I am all fluttery and twittering and don’t remember much else until that night, when I say, “If I asked you to marry me, would you say yes?” And she says something like, “I think so,” or “probably,” or maybe she even said “yes,” but if she did she said it evasively.

What do you do with that, people? Does that mean yes? Are we talking about marriage here? Are we way, way ahead of schedule?

Well, what I did with that was I bought her a ring. I bought her a ring that I knew she liked and that I could afford and here it is:

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A funny note: I was so nervous when I bought it. I had been eyeing it on Etsy for a month and my hands were shaking as I clicked through to order it – and then as soon as it was done, I felt calm. I felt like this was the right thing – of course it was the right thing.

And then I carried it around with me everywhere. And I started acting funny. We started bickering and picking at each other, just a little; it was like we were both testing out whether this was something we really wanted to do. And I don’t remember when I told her I had a ring, but she knew, and every time it came up in any way at all, she freaked out a little and wouldn’t even agree to look at it. So finally we agreed to stop talking about it, and I just hid the ring away and tried to stop thinking about it.

In the next few months, we moved in together, got a kitten, I quit my job, I got a new job, I quit the new job and started a newer job, she got a new job, I had a hard time at work, and one of our closest friends prepared for her move from Boston to the West Coast. In other words, we went through a lot together. One day, we were supposed to go away for the weekend and her workday was totally kicking her butt. I decided to pick her up at the train station and when she came up the stairs, she was crying. She’s cried, like, three times in our entire relationship, so you know it’s a big deal when it happens. And she got into the car and cried and I told her that everything was going to be alright. I sat there, hugging her and rubbing her back, and when she stopped crying she sat up and looked at me and said, “I would like to marry you.”

This was not our proposal. There was no ring here, there was no huge thing, and to be perfectly honest I was afraid to say anything about it in case she took it back or got scared or jumped out of the car and ran away. I was pretty much like, “I can never change my clothes or bathe again because I can’t change anything.” Don’t worry, I totally bathed and changed within a reasonable time frame.

Anyway, we went away for the weekend, and we got back home, and at this point it was clear that we had agreed to marry each other. So I asked if she wanted to see the ring, and she said no. She said she didn’t want to see it until it was real, until this was it. And I said that I needed her to see the ring, I needed her to make sure she liked it, I needed to know if it was the right thing. She agreed, and I dug it out of my pants drawer (underwear or sock drawer is way too obvious, you guys) and I gave it to her. And I could tell right away that it was not what she wanted from an engagement ring.

And you know what? That was totally, completely okay. Because this ring, this pretty little chocolate diamond ring, was about so many things that were not about our agreement to marry each other. It was about my realizing I wanted to be with her in this big important way. It was about my willingness to wait until she was ready, and about her willingness and ability to know herself and recognize where she was in her process. It was about the eight months in between my buying it and our decision together. It was about our knowing where we ourselves were in this process and knowing where the other one of us was.

I asked her to take it and to wear it for all of the things it meant to us. We agreed that it would be our “pre-engagement ring” even as we laughed about how dorky and ridiculous it is to be pre-engaged. And you know what? It was the absolute perfect pre-engagement ring. She wore it on her right hand, and still does now.

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Oooh pretty secret ring no one else notices cause it’s on the other hand!

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That weekend: thumbs up for love

Which side were/are you on in your relationship? How many engagement rings is too many? Why do you think an 11 year age difference would affect our wedding? Do you think I am completely crazy? At least the dog didn’t eat the ring, right?

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24 Responses to “Would You Say No…? Well, Yes.”

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TheFutureMcBride
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TheFutureMcBride (message)  4,479 posts, Honey bee

That is the sweetest story. Thank you for sharing; I just don’t want to cry a t work because it’s just so sweet because it’s so true.

As for answering your questions, I’m not, but I will say that I knew the first time I saw McGroom that he was my husband, I loved him, but I didn’t know his name. He had to recognize everything, which took a while, and want to be a relationship with me.

 
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Miss Cardigan
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Miss Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

I was absolutely freaked out the first time Mr. Cardigan brought up marriage! He definitely moved a lot faster than me, and at first it scared the hell out of me! And I had no idea you guys were 11 years apart!

 
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Maggie

First of all, 11 years is nothing…… I think the pre-engagment ring is beautiful and sweet and a perfect right hand ring. You two are adorable together.

 
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mrsmdphd (message)  1,158 posts, Bumble bee

You two are so completely great together! I was you in this story, and I patiently waited for my now husband (then boyfriend) to be ready for the commitment that I was ready for. A lot of people didn’t understand why we weren’t engaged yet, why I wasn’t giving him ultimatums, why I was continuing to plan my life around the relationship when they didn’t see it progressing. But I couldn’t give him ultimatums, because I understood that there were a few things in his life that needed settling before he was ready to be engaged and I knew that I was going to be there with him while he figured all that stuff out. And when he did, and came home, and told me he had the ring, he was so happy and it was perfect. And then we had to get a couple of engagement rings before we settled on one that HE was happy with–that was okay too. So I say–no amount of engagement rings is too many, you have to keep going til you’ve got the right one. (Sidenote: we also ended up doing this with wedding bands, post wedding. We’re apparently not good at selecting jewelry the first or even second times around.) I LOVE your posts, thank you for sharing so much with us!

 
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amariem25
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amariem25 (message)  3,733 posts, Sugar bee

I have a second ring too. The jeweler that he ordered the real engagement ring from messed up and didn’t get it to him on time for the proposal he had planned for our European vacation. So he had to go to another jewelry store at the last minute and pick up a different ring. He proposed with that different ring. When we came back from vacay the real engagement ring was finally in and he gave it to me. So I still wear both rings. The real one on my left, the actual one he proposed with on my right.

 
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JoJo

I love Bloom Studios! They made my engagement ring: it looks just like that one except I have an aquamarine stone. I’m sure the chocolate diamond looks lovely, too!

 
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Kate

Sigh. I could read your posts forever. Love.

 
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silver
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silver (message)  23 posts, Newbee

This was such a sweet story!! <3 You guys are very cute together, and the scene in the car when she said she would like to marry you is just dear.

(Also, I love the ring you picked! Even if it wasn’t exactly what she had in mind, it was definitely a symbol and I’m so glad she wore it!)

 
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connor612 (message)  17 posts, Newbee

Wow! This is a wonderful story. My fiancé and I met in February and said “I love you” the following April, which was fast, and then didn’t get engaged until 2 years later. From the “I love you” forward, I knew we would get married, and he did too, but in looking at it now, it was great to have those two years to continue to fall in love. Every relationship is different, but the ones that are full of really candid, honest moments, like yours, are the ones that last, at least from where I’m standing.

 
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serasvictoria
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serasvictoria (message)  630 posts, Busy bee

What a cute story! Oh my gosh I get so excited when a Miss Seashorse post comes up. I love reading them!

I think a pre-engagement ring is awesome. Also the 11 year age difference isn’t a big deal if you love the person. As far as which side I was on…I don’t even know if I had a side! Sure the FI and I talked about kids, money, and what would happen if we got married. IF…it wasn’t like I was expecting anything because I had been in long term relationships before (3 years and 4 years) which any engagement. We go on a trip and he proposed after 8 months of us dating! I was more shocked than anything, but completely delighted. I guess he knew I was ready.

 
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Miss Peace
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Miss Peace (message)  648 posts, Busy bee

I freaked out when my FI asked me to move in with him after 2 months. SO GLAD we waited hahaha.

 
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Kathryn

Such a wonderful post. I needed this today.

 
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Miss Seahorse (message)  156 posts, Blushing bee

@Kate: this comment made me soooo happy. thanks :)
@Kathryn: thanks thanks thanks! i’m glad i could brighten it a bit.
@serasvictoria: ahh i love that you get excited for my posts! i have other writers i feel that way about… it never occurred to me someone would think that about *me* - thanks!!

 
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alison

::screeching tires:: roller derby?! Are you in a league in MA/RI?

Loved your story by the way, it was just the roller derby comment that forced me to come out of my lurky shadows and respond!

 
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Miss Seahorse (message)  156 posts, Blushing bee

@alison: I skated with NH for awhile a couple of years ago and then went through three months with BDD before I didn’t get drafted :( Tryouts in October though, right on time to relax into married life before leaving my woman a derby widow. :)

 
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@Miss Seahorse: That’s awesome! I’ve been thinking of trying out for the RI league for some time now.

 
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Miss Seahorse (message)  156 posts, Blushing bee

@alison: DO IT. they are FANTASTIC. i have several good friends there… yeah yeah do it! send me a pm if you have any questions :)

 
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alivoo01
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alivoo01 (message)  2,622 posts, Sugar bee

Think of your pre-engagement ring as a promise ring! Very common so totally not weird! I would have never guessed you two were 11 years apart and as they all say. Age is just a number! You’re not crazy, and if you are - I still love your posts! :-)

 
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Miss Pretzel
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Miss Pretzel (message)  1,893 posts, Buzzing bee

love this post. Great story. i agree with kate, too.

 
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jenandchris
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jenandchris (message)  734 posts, Busy bee

This is such a great, great, great post. Your posts always make me so smiley. Its so obvious how in love you guys are. And I love the way you do everything just a little differently.

Also, I would NEVER have guessed such an age difference.

 
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Ms Seahorse, Boston Age and Occupation: 25, Veterinary Jane-of-all-trades Fiancee's Age and Occupation: 36, former non-profit fundraiser in search of something better Engagement Date: October 17, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Fort Pond Lodge About Me: By day I'm a cat-wrangler, vet tech assistant, pet-sitter, receptionist, and pre-vet student, but the rest of the time, I'm a former-roller-derby girl turned dedicated-wedding planner. I love reading, writing, bicycles, animals, roller skating, and antique-y things of all sorts. I'm a vegetarian who likes spicy foods, while Fiancee Seahorse is a meat eater who does not like spices. We live outside Boston with our menagerie: a fifty pound dog, a one-eyed, seventeen-toed, toothless cat, and a perfectly put together cat who has a penchant for pooping near rather than in her litter box. In addition to planning our small lake-side wedding, we enjoy running around with the puppy, playing board games (Scrabble, anyone?), having little adventures, talking about how we should really clean the house more, and maintaining our little garden of vegetables and wedding flowers.

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