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Mrs. Octopus, Boston, MA/Pittsburgh, PA Age and Occupation: 25, Grad Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Graphics Operator for TV News Engagement Date: May 6th, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Heinz Chapel Ceremony, Museum Reception About Me: When my best friend dragged me to a toga party in our freshmen year of college, I was not expecting to meet my future husband; but seven years later, here we are. I'm a crazy-organized planner at heart, and I am a great lover of random trivia, books, chocolate, blogs, new and exciting adventures, mockumentary-style television, and anything heavily flavored with bright orange fake cheese powder. We're planning a festive and fun mini-destination wedding in the place where we met: fabulous Pittsburgh, PA! I can't wait to marry the man I love!
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So, as much as I love wedding planning, I also love marriage planning. And one of the things Mr. O and I have been doing to plan for our marriage is attending couples’ counseling. I have always thought that going to counseling was a good, proactive, helpful thing to do. Before our pre-marital therapy sessions, I hadn’t ever been to see a therapist myself, but I knew how well it worked for people in my life who wanted to work through some stuff. Also, in my career, I interact with a lot of social workers and mental health clinicians, and I see firsthand the good work that they do. So, I felt very positively about the benefits of counseling… but the thing was, I had no idea how counseling actually worked. I basically imagined it like taking a multivitamin. Take this pill, and through some kind of magical body chemistry process, you get healthier.

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And then Mr. Octopus and I started going to counseling, and I realized I had been missing a key aspect of the process:

counseling is hard, and requires a lot of work on the part of the counselees. We actually started out seeking grief counseling after his mother’s death, but as our grief became less immediate, the sessions evolved into more generalized pre-marital/couples’ counseling. That’s when we both figured out that counseling was not a passive activity—definitely NOT like taking a multivitamin. The first thing that makes it hard is that, in order for the counseling to be effective at all, you have to really open up, a lot, to your therapist, who is (obviously) a stranger. It was hard for me, anyway—I am not comfortable being very emotionally forthcoming to people I don’t know well, and I often walked out of our counseling sessions feeling very exposed, which then made me feel somewhat unsettled. I knew, though, that it was good for us, so I kept it up despite my slight discomfort with the process.

The second thing that I wrestled with was accepting the fact that we could have a very happy, healthy, fun-and-love-filled relationship, yet still have real issues and problems, things that we couldn’t entirely solve ourselves. We both had to acknowledge, to ourselves and to our counselor, some sticky things in our relationship that straight-up weren’t working. Also, not only did we need to acknowledge it, we had to do the harder work of taking our counselor’s advice (and, sometimes, the hard truths she laid on us) to heart, acting on it, and consciously changing some of the relationship patterns we had established. For example, I am very Type A and he is very Type B, and it causes some conflict. He needed to step up and take an equal share of responsibility in running our household, and I needed to stop micro managing, supervising, and generally inserting myself into his business. We’re also at very different places in our careers right now, and grappling with what that means for each of us has been a bit of a struggle in the past year or two. Trying to work through all that wasn’t exactly fun, but we are both really glad that we did it.

We’ve now wrapped up our pre-marital counseling, and I feel like I learned a lot. I’d like to share some of the things I took away from our therapy experience.

* Marriage is hard, requires tons of communication, and lasts forever. Yes, I know, everybody says this. I mean, intellectually, in my head, I knew it already. But a lot of the experiences Mr. O and I have had this year drove me to really feel the weight and the bigness and the seriousness and the difficulty of marriage in a way I hadn’t emotionally understood before; to really wrestle with the fact that marriage includes struggles that don’t get solved through just one good, honest talk. Mom Octopus (whose awesome marriage to Dad Octopus clocks in at 28 years and counting) has always said that marriage is hard, and after our counseling sessions, I called her to tell her that I finally, emotionally grasped what that really meant.

She responded with, seriously, the best marriage advice ever: “Miss Octopus, love is not all there is to making a marriage work. Loving the deep, true heart of a person is just the foundation of marriage. All the other parts of marriage, like running a household, managing family money, and raising children, don’t just happen naturally because you love someone. That stuff comes from hard work and constant communication, which you do because you love them.”

* Doing the hard work is so, so worth it. Like I said, counseling wasn’t fun or easy, but I felt like our relationship had gotten deeper, and better, after we finished. It’s kind of amazing to demonstrate to your partner that you’re so committed to making your relationship work that you’ll lay all your flaws and not-so-cute traits and contributions to not-positive relationship dynamics out there to be looked at and discussed, and you’ll make a serious effort to rein them in or change them, in order to be better together. It’s a tangible act of putting your relationship first.

Marriage is hard, yes. But it is also amazing, and makes us both happy all the way through, and is so worth it. I will conclude with more marriage words of wisdom from Mom Octopus:

“Every time you go through something hard with your partner, the way you both handle it can bring you closer together. Working through something successfully with someone helps you get to know and understand them a little more than you did before, and your relationship and knowledge of each other is a little more intimate every time you experience an obstacle or something tough.”

I’ve been with Mr. Octopus for almost eight years now, and it’s amazing how I continually feel like I’m getting to know him better, and to have the sense that my relationship to him is alive, an active, growing, changing thing. Going to counseling contributed to that growth, and I’m glad for that.

Would you consider going to counseling with your partner? If you have, how did it work for you?

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TheFutureMcBride
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TheFutureMcBride (message)  4,461 posts, Honey bee

Good for you, I think it’s a great idea. However, McGroom and I don’t need to go. As I’ve said a lot, when we lost our baby when I was 8.5 months pregnant, we grew together. We learned communication, complete openess, and to hold onto what we have. Yes, it’s super hard and we’ll never get over loosing our child. I’m just thankful that we didn’t loose each other too and now we’re stonger than we were before.

FYI: If you have a baby (the 9 months way), really rely on your partner to be your coach. I can honestly say that through that and him being with me through the WHOLE process, never leaving me, we grew in a way that I can’t explain. It’s magical.

 
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Hola13 (message)  52 posts, Worker bee

I give you a lot of credit! So many people won’t even go to counseling to save their marriage. I think everyone should go to counseling but I think people think it shows they are weak. However, I think the opposite because I think it shows that you are strong and serius about the things you want out of a marriage. You should be proud of your husband and yourself for taking the steps to having an amazing marriage!!

 
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Trishthedish36 (message)  77 posts, Worker bee

Kudos to you guys for not being passive about your relationship! As I think about marriage, I get nervous about all the potential issues that me and my partner have: different socio-economic backgrounds, different religions, different career paths/schedules. It’s scary sometimes, even though I know we have a strong foundation. I think pre-marital counseling is something I would want to seek out, and hopefully he wouldn’t get freaked out by the suggestion.

I found this the other day and have taped it up on our fridge: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200410/relationship-rules
It’s a great reminder that marriage and any relationship should involve work from both parties!

Good luck, Octopi!

 
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Aleanan
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Aleanan (message)  258 posts, Helper bee

My FI and I are currently in premarital (and plan on continuing couseling after we say “I Do”.
The greatest thing I have learned thus far is that our differences (which there are many) aren’t defects but simply differences. Learning to appreciate those differences is vital to the health of a marriage.
Another thing I learned is that there isn’t competition between the two. You have to learn to play to each other’s strengths.
I also learned that Ephesians 5:22 (Wives submit to your husbands) does NOT mean that wives have to sumbit to the ruling thumb of the husband. Husbands are called to be the head of the house and to lead the family in the way of Christ but many people leave out the verse above Ephesians 5:22…which is “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ”.

 
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beccaod
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beccaod (message)  46 posts, Newbee

We were required to some kind of counseling to get married in a Catholic Church, but I wouldn’t have had it any other way. It really reassured us of our relationship and helped with ideas about how to improve our relationships for the future.

Lots of people have questioned why we did premarital counseling when nothing is wrong yet, but to keep going with your pill metaphor, its like taking Zicam, it may not stop you from getting sick, but it makes the amount of time you are sick much faster and not as miserable. We still argue, but we understand each other so are better prepared for the future.

 
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peachplum09
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peachplum09 (message)  620 posts, Busy bee

I’m so glad you had a positive experience Miss Octopus. Makes me look forward to going to pre-martial counseling! Which starts next month! Eep!

 
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This is an amazing post Ms. Octopus. Thank you for writing it. Your mom sounds like my mom, who will be married to my dad for 30 years this year. My mom always shuddered when she heard people say “i love him and that is all we need.” She always told me that love wasn’t enough, because if it was, a lot more people would be married or stay married. Your mom’s quote really, really spoke to me and I just hear my mom’s voice too. I am going to write it down and share it with some good friends that I know would really appreciate it. Thank you.

 
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ktisthatbees
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ktisthatbees (message)  2,742 posts, Sugar bee

I think pre-marital counseling, if done for the right reasons, is such an amazing idea for couples. If you are going into it with the mindset that it is an ultimate problem solver for relationship issues, I don’t think you will come out with the answer that you were hoping for, but if you go into it with the intent of making your relationship stronger and more real, then it will be well worth the effort.

 
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Mrs. Hamster (message)  4,045 posts, Honey bee

Great post, Miss O - a lot to think about!

 
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Mrs. Snow (message)  916 posts, Busy bee

This is a great post, Octo. We haven’t been to counseling in any form, but I am totally open to it should the need ever hint to arise. You paint a really honest picture of working through relationship/marriage dynamics.

 
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jduck84
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jduck84 (message)  1,529 posts, Bumble bee

Just wondering, would you say that the awkwardness of being so open with a stranger eventually got better? I imagine you don’t exactly “get to know” your therapist, but… if he/she gets to know the two of you, does it get less strange being so open?

 
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jduck84
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jduck84 (message)  1,529 posts, Bumble bee

P.S. I think pre-marital and couples counseling is a great idea. We had something of the sort with our priest since we’re getting married in a Catholic church, but it wasn’t so much counseling as much as advice-giving (which was still helpful).

 
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moderndaisy
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moderndaisy (message)  6,607 posts, Bee Keeper

I totally agree about the counseling and the advice your Mom gave you. DH and I have come a long way in our relationship so far, we’ll never stop having the occasional argument/thing to work through, but it does get easier the more we do it.

 
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Miss Stripes (message)  1,063 posts, Bumble bee

Um. I think I want to sit down for a session or two with your mom! She sounds like a wise lady! :)

 
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Miss Elephant
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Miss Elephant (message)  6,177 posts, Bee Keeper

I think that premarital counseling is a really good idea. We are getting married by our family pastor, and we have 3 counseling sessions with her prior to the marriage. We are also thinking of taking the Texas premarital education class.

 
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gmreyes2
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gmreyes2 (message)  91 posts, Worker bee

thank you for this wonderful post :p

 
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goodheart (message)  138 posts, Blushing bee

“Miss Octopus, love is not all there is to making a marriage work. Loving the deep, true heart of a person is just the foundation of marriage. All the other parts of marriage, like running a household, managing family money, and raising children, don’t just happen naturally because you love someone. That stuff comes from hard work and constant communication, which you do because you love them.”

what an incredible quote! i am bookmarking this for future reference.

 
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ribbonwife

The hubs and I have been married just over 3 months and we’ve begun going to counseling. NOT because our marriage is in trouble-it’s not, but because like you said, it’s a proactive helpful thing to do. We’re learning more about our differing communication styles and how to best respond to one another, among other things. I think it’s so great that you shared this, because a lot of times people associate counseling with “Crazies” or “people with problems” but that’s just not true. I’m sure your marriage will be better for it.

 
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ribbonwife
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ribbonwife (message)  7 posts, Newbee

sorry-forgot to log in

The hubs and I have been married just over 3 months and we’ve begun going to counseling. NOT because our marriage is in trouble-it’s not, but because like you said, it’s a proactive helpful thing to do. We’re learning more about our differing communication styles and how to best respond to one another, among other things. I think it’s so great that you shared this, because a lot of times people associate counseling with “Crazies” or “people with problems” but that’s just not true. I’m sure your marriage will be better for it.

 
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gill84
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gill84 (message)  725 posts, Busy bee

Thank you for sharing with this! I agree that marriage is hard work and communication, even if you are in love with someone, and that you can still be in love and have issues you are working on. But it’s also hard to put all these things into practice! Thanks for the reminder.

 
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Mrs. Octopus, Boston, MA/Pittsburgh, PA Age and Occupation: 25, Grad Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Graphics Operator for TV News Engagement Date: May 6th, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Heinz Chapel Ceremony, Museum Reception About Me: When my best friend dragged me to a toga party in our freshmen year of college, I was not expecting to meet my future husband; but seven years later, here we are. I'm a crazy-organized planner at heart, and I am a great lover of random trivia, books, chocolate, blogs, new and exciting adventures, mockumentary-style television, and anything heavily flavored with bright orange fake cheese powder. We're planning a festive and fun mini-destination wedding in the place where we met: fabulous Pittsburgh, PA! I can't wait to marry the man I love!

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