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Mrs. Octopus, Boston, MA/Pittsburgh, PA Age and Occupation: 25, Grad Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Graphics Operator for TV News Engagement Date: May 6th, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Heinz Chapel Ceremony, Museum Reception About Me: When my best friend dragged me to a toga party in our freshmen year of college, I was not expecting to meet my future husband; but seven years later, here we are. I'm a crazy-organized planner at heart, and I am a great lover of random trivia, books, chocolate, blogs, new and exciting adventures, mockumentary-style television, and anything heavily flavored with bright orange fake cheese powder. We're planning a festive and fun mini-destination wedding in the place where we met: fabulous Pittsburgh, PA! I can't wait to marry the man I love!
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Phew. Okay. I’ve been on the fence about writing this very long post for a loooooong time, but I’m feeling brave, so I’m going for it. This is the story of how Mr. Octopus and I got engaged, and I’m telling you straight off the bat: it will not make you tear up with its sweetness. You might judge me for it. It’s not a happy one. But I want to share it, so here it goes.

In the summer of 2008, I had fully realized that I was ready to marry Mr. O. We had been together for six years, we’d been living together for two of those, and we were more in love than ever. Our lives were totally intertwined, and I knew that he was my one and only, my family, the center of my life. I hesitantly broached the subject of marriage with him, and found that we were not quite on the same page. Did he love me? Yes. Did he want to spend the rest of his life with me? Yes. Did he ever want to be with anyone else? No. But marriage? Not ready for that yet. I think that this is not uncommon for men, and I could accept the fact that he needed some time to process the idea of such a huge commitment. I stayed quiet about it, and gave him his space.

By December, Mr. O had indeed processed it.

He let me know that he now felt ready to get married, to commit to being my husband, and for me to be his wife, and to start actively thinking about a wedding. ‘YAY!’ I thought. We talked about engagement and engagement rings, and we talked about our wedding. In my heart, I felt engaged. We both knew we were getting married, and we were excited about it, and we were actively planning on it. We started talking about things like a year, a season, a location, guests, ideas and hopes and dreams for our wedding. I was thrilled to death, and so excited to marry the man I loved.

But I didn’t have a ring on my finger, and I found that an engagement ring is a much bigger social symbol than I had previously thought. I discovered this because when I brought up the idea of our wedding to various friends and family members–even people who knew us, knew how in love we were, knew that we were serious and this was real–they looked at me like I absolutely had three heads for discussing a wedding without a ring. I felt that the proposal and accompanying ring were essentially a gesture and a formality, a “kickoff” to a process that was really already happening. Apparently, not everyone does. I was getting the message, over and over, that there was an enormous, uncrossable gulf between Not Engaged and Engaged, and Engaged was completely off-limits until I had that ring on my hand. I felt like I had to pretend that absolutely none of this was happening, and that Mr. O and I hadn’t already mutually agreed to start down an exciting and serious new path together. I felt incredibly excited to be marrying the love of my life, and I felt incredibly hurt when my (our!) excitement about our decision was met with a gigantic collective eye-roll, because we were Not Engaged.

And that’s where the crazy starts. Here’s what you have to know about the two of us: I feel most comfortable when I’ve got a clear sense of where I’m going, so to speak. Not having a plan or agenda (both daily and in the overall life sense) gets me very rattled. I do not do well with suspense, waiting, or letting the chips fall where they may. My fiance is my total opposite in this regard. He believes much more strongly than I do in fate, in things happening when they’re meant to happen, and is very content to just float along wherever life’s currents lead him. I’m a go-getter, while he tends to be a fairly enormous procrastinator. Generally, this difference is good for each of us. We balance each other out. In this situation? The one where he was the sole decider, planner, and executor of purchasing a ring and planning a proposal, and where I was supposed to be idly waiting for whenever he decided to spring it on me? It was the recipe for a perfect storm.

So we started talking about marriage in earnest in December, and I started receiving You Don’t Have a Ring Ergo You Are a Crazy Obsessive Overeager Bridezilla Face right around that time too. The mature, sensible response to this would be to say, “screw what everybody else thinks. We both know we’re getting married, and he can choose a ring and propose to me when he feels ready.” This is not how I reacted. Instead, I lost my ever-loving mind. It was really hurting my feelings to know that some of my loved ones were laughing us off, and I felt that the only way to get people to take us seriously was to get Officially Engaged, and time was ticking on and on and on without being Officially Engaged, and I just… lost it.

Now, I might be type-A and detail-oriented and organization-happy, but I am not high-strung, and neither is he. Neither of us are intense or highly emotional people; in fact, we’re both quite easy-going and mellow. Our relationship is very low on drama. So when I tell you that as the months rolled by without an engagement, there were tears? Badgering? Oh my God, am I mortified to tell you this, but actual bouts of actual yelling and shouting? You know it was bad. BAD. He begged me to be patient, but my patience was just gone. In my worst moments, I wondered if he was, for some reason, torturing me on purpose. I mean, in my defense, I had been fully 100% on board and waiting for marriage for nearly a year at that point, but for God’s sake. Would you want to propose to someone who cried, and hassled, and (cringe, again) yelled at you about it? Would anyone?

Now, obviously, the last thing on this Earth Mr. Octopus would ever do is deliberately torment me. You know what he was actually doing in those months that passed by? Procrastinating a little, yes, but mostly trying (and succeeding) to pick out the perfect ring that I would absolutely love and be thrilled to wear forever. Thinking of different options for proposals that would make me happy, make for a cute story, and allow him to be creative and do it on his own terms. But I could not see it that way. It was this big giant secret that he couldn’t discuss with me, and in the total absence of a plan (that I knew about), I drove myself nuts inside my own head.

Ultimately, he proposed to me in May 2009, simply, at home, before we went to work in the morning. It was not the proposal he had hoped to give me, but it’s what he felt he had to do, because as I hope I’ve made clear by this point, I was becoming a total banshee. I had all but backed him into a corner. Now, I do not worry at all that I pressured him into marrying me. We really, really, really love each other in an extremely true-love way, and I am fully confident that he is and always has been as excited to marry me as I am to marry him. But did I pressure him into proposing to me? Yes. Yes I did. And I could not feel any more horrible about it.

Hive, I regret virtually everything about how Mr. Octo and I got engaged. In fact, I think it’s one of the biggest mistakes I’ve ever made, and it’s one of the biggest regrets I have. I am mortified by the way I acted. It was utterly, utterly uncharacteristic of me, and I still can’t fully explain why or how I let myself lose it so completely in the time that I was waiting for him to propose. In the days that followed our becoming Officially Engaged, I felt like a cloud cleared out of my brain, and I was totally overwhelmed with guilt and embarrassment about how I’d been behaving. I cried my eyes out to Mr. Octo, apologized relentlessly, asked him to forgive me for how I’d treated him. I feel so horrible about it that, a year-and-change later, I still don’t like to talk about it, and if it comes up, I still feel compelled to apologize for the whole situation. (He has always forgiven me, obviously, because he’s amazing.)

I’m not sharing this with you just because I’m a masochist and I like letting the entire Internet see me at my absolute worst. I’m sharing it because I know there are a lot of waiting girls in the Weddingbee community, and I really hope that maybe this will help you avoid feeling how I feel now. Believe me, I feel you. I read your board posts and I fully know how you feel. Being completely in the dark and totally out of control of something you really want to happen for months at a time is awful. Awful. I FEEL you on it. Have faith in your fiance, though. Just trust that it will happen. Because believe me, the worst-case scenario is thinking back on your waiting days and the day he finally proposed and feeling, instead of joy and romance and pride, guilty and ashamed of yourself. WORST-case scenario. Seriously.

I am really hoping someone out there relates to this. Anybody? Anybody? Also, if you are reading this and thinking, “Wow, Miss Octopus had a hidden layer of psycho this whole time and I never even knew it,” then I understand. I somewhat feel that way myself. But, can you be at least somewhat gentle in your comments? As you can tell, it’s a sore subject.

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126 Responses to “How the Octopi Got Engaged: A Cautionary Tale”

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redherring
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redherring (message)  1,976 posts, Buzzing bee

I will copy this directly from the story of our proposal on our wedding website: “At the end of March [in 2009], we took a trip to DC to celebrate [fiance's] birthday with some friends, and I had a bit of a … moment. In a nutshell, he mentioned that he saw no reason to propose until I was done with my residency in 2011, and I FREAKED OUT. And basically concluded that I was obviously crazy and would be lucky if he ever proposed.”
Seriously - I lost my shit and basically went off on him. I’ve blacked out most of that conversation from my memory, but I seem to recall declaring something to the effect of, “You are apeshit insane if you think I’m waiting over two years for a proposal!” He just stood there, stunned.
But he started to work with a jeweler a couple of weeks later to find a ring, so I guess he wasn’t too horrified. But I certainly was.

 
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Mrs. Trail Mix (message)  6,328 posts, Bee Keeper

Mad props for sharing this! And like I’ve said before, we’re ALL been there. I swore I’d never tell our actual proposal story to anyone but I can promise you it’s just as bad, if not worse…I completely understand your reactions!

 
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wow - i could have written this post myself…and to make you feel somewhat better (?) i’ll let you (and the rest of the weddingbee world) in on my own shameful little secret…I THREW A SHOE at my then-boyfriend-now-husband during one of my crazy, rage-filled tantrums…my god, i am so ashamed of how i acted…this is a great post and such smart, sound advice albeit difficult to follow for some…i sure wish i could have read something like this while i was in my own “waiting” period…thanks for the honesty, lady!

 
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Candy_Nee
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Candy_Nee (message)  1,410 posts, Bumble bee

How brave of you to share your story. We’ve all been there, to some extent. I once bribed a BF with a watch if he bought me a ring. It happens to the best of us!

 
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Miss Spaghetti
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Miss Spaghetti (message)  282 posts, Helper bee

I would probably do the same thing and I’m glad you shared this with the hive because it’s a lesson learned that hopefully someone else out there will take your advice. My FI and I confirmed our wedding day with the resort before we were official and I couldn’t say anything to anyone and it sucked. It was only about a month but I was starting to go crazy myself but it just never showed but it would have eventually.

 
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ktisthatbees
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ktisthatbees (message)  2,742 posts, Sugar bee

Octopus. Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing this. You said this wouldn’t be tear inducing, but it was for me. . . because I am in your shoes right now. Same story (almost). We decided to get married, are so in love, and have even set a date!

imagine my despair that no one seems to be taking this wedding or our impending marriage seriously because I don’t yet have a ring. I feel like everyone is looking at me like i am some crazy bridezilla pushing my man down the aisle, when in reality, it was a joint decision that we are both very excited about! Yes he is planning on giving me a ring sometime in the next 10 months (before the wedding) no I don’t know when that will be, and how everyone dismisses my excitement and willingness to start planning just really really hurts.

I am trying so so hard right now to not pressure him about the proposal, because i know it is his moment as well as mine, and it needs to be special, but he is not going through what i am going through, no one is looking at his finger and secretly rolling their eyes if he talks about our wedding.

Why are people so stuck on the idea that there MUST be a ring and there MUST be a proposal story to go with it? I am in such a place of emotional turmoil right now. Your post put into words exactly how I am feeling right now.

 
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Goldilocks1107
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Goldilocks1107 (message)  2,602 posts, Sugar bee

I’ve been there too. For the few months leading up to the proposal, I was less than kind and loving. Not so much in pushing him to propose, but freaking out when others got engaged and just unhappy where we were heading. I knew his timeline and I had my own “get the hell out of there” timeline and they didn’t have the same end point.

 
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spellbound (message)  81 posts, Worker bee

Octi!! Listen up lady, I think it’s so cool that you chose to share this with us. I feel like you and I are peas in a pod. I HATE not having plans, and I’m not a wait and see type of person. So I understand having everything boil over and causing you to do something, with immediate feelings of remorse. Doesn’t it suck that our types of personalities lend us to feel MAJORLY guilty for extended periods of time after the fact? Like sick to your stomach guilty? I think it’s so awesome you share this, and you’re obviously not psycho because you feel sad about it now, it just seems like the elements got to you and spun you out of control. Just know that Mr. O loves you, and you’re allowed to be human.

 
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jjilyeah (message)  275 posts, Helper bee

Wow! Thanks for this. I am waiting and I feel like I fight the crazy ring obsessed nag in me everyday. SO and I are much like you described you and Mr O. I’m a planner, he is not. Works good a lot of the time, not all of the time. And definitely not in this scenario. Thanks for sharing. It’s refreshing to know I am not alone and your advice will be well heeded. Be easy on yourself, I am sure you are not alone in how you behaved.

 
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Andrea V

I consider myself a pretty mellow, easy-going person myself… but I got pretty worked up about the engagement thing too. I have a really shy future husband, who is not comfortable showing and expressing a lot of emotion. I knew he was going to propose to me… we picked out the ring together… I knew he had it and was going to ask… and I can’t tell you how ANXIOUS it made me. Every time we had a nice moment together I would ask myself, “is this it?” It drove me nuts. He ended up “proposing” to me when I had just gotten out of the shower and it was probably the least romantic proposal EVER. But I know he just felt pressured to get it over with… and I will always feel bad about that. Because being the not-very-overtly-emotional guy that he is… he was already feeling pressured enough about the engagement… my own palpable anxiety about it didn’t help. So in my own way, I feel you!!! Thanks for writing.

 
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jaylii9
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jaylii9 (message)  1,575 posts, Bumble bee

Oh Ms. Octo, thank you for being brave and sharing! I too went off on my FI a few months before we got engaged. I think he was pretty shocked and I was not proud of my words and actions. I felt so bad that I completely backed off the topic and promised myself to shut up unless he brought up the topic. He ended up totally surpring me 3 months later when he proposed in Vegas!

 
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starbees

Oh my goodness, reading this was like looking in the mirror!! I felt the exact same way. I felt ready to get married long before he did, even though we were devoted to one another almost as soon as we started dating. Once my friends and sisters started getting married a few years ago, and they kept telling me that I was next, I just started to get… obsessed. I didn’t do much yelling, but I did feel myself pull away from the relationship during that liminal time between him telling me that he was ready to get married and the actual proposal. It was just so hard being out there, and vulnerable, and just… waiting. I know that I pressured him into the proposal too, and I feel bad about it. Thanks for sharing this story!

 
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LT1982
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LT1982 (message)  86 posts, Worker bee

Thank you so much for sharing this!!! Some times the posts on here make everyone’s lives seem like sunshine and roses, and it’s so refreshing to see a different, more realistic side of things!

 
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Farfromachildbride
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Farfromachildbride (message)  1,006 posts, Bumble bee

Thank you for sharing your story. Soooo many girls can relate to it and while you may regret it, there’s no changing history. We can only live and learn. And teach others!

My husband’s proposal to me was not all sunshine and rainbows either. I, too, do not like to tell people the story but in our case, because it doesn’t reflect well on him.

Also your FI is so much like my husband with the laid-back, procrastination vibe. Meanwhile, I’m much like you and need an organized plan for everything in my life. It makes for some rough patches and while the difference is good in balancing one another out, it requires A LOT of patience on both sides.

 
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Mrs. Snow (message)  916 posts, Busy bee

Yes… Even with our mutual decision to get married and a clear “We will be engaged by this date” deadline, I still nagged the heck out of Mr. Snow. Every. Day.

Honestly, I think my harassment of him during the weird phase between “We’re getting married!” and “The ring’s on my finger!” affected our entire wedding planning dynamic. I became the nag and he became the person who just wanted their normal, sane partner back… we only sorted through all that on the honeymoon.

Great post, lady. Thank you for sharing.

 
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My F and I had some big blow outs when he told me he wasn’t ready to get married. So we ended up agreeing on a 6 month “marriage is off the table” plan. For 6 months we wouldn’t talk about it and I would know that there was no engagement planning at all. However during month 4 of that time he went and got the ring and he proposed on our 2 year anniversary. I think the important lesson I learned was that sometimes men need a bit of space to figure out what they want without pressure. I never thought if I gave him the space… I would actually get what I want. Important lessons for us all to learn - good to share your story!

 
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Mrs. Penguin
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Mrs. Penguin (message)  3,507 posts, Sugar bee

I was exactly where you were as well. It only reared its ugly head when we’d have to go to other peoples’ weddings, but I was so ready to get engaged. We had already bought our house together and had been living together for a few years, and it was just driving me insane that we weren’t engaged. Every time we’d receive a new wedding invitation in the mail for about a 2 year period, I would cry. Then I would cry at the wedding (out of frustration, not joy). I knew very well and clearly that the tears came out of sheer jealousy… it was almost as if people didn’t get married, I’d be a OK, but once that period came between the invitation in the mail and going to the reception, I’d be insane and sad and angry a lot.

As independent women we’re all taught that if we want something we go out and get it and don’t need to rely on someone to get it for us, but this is one of the few things that I wanted traditionally; I wanted a proposal. And it wasn’t up to me to determine the time and place. That was really frustrating.

I know you feel embarrassed about your feelings but I think they’re more common than we think. I can’t think of a girl that is married now that didn’t express frustration about getting engaged at one point in the past. Not one!

 
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sulaii211
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sulaii211 (message)  770 posts, Busy bee

I dunno, Octo.

I feel like there is a lot of pressure on females to stay patient- like we’re supposed to embrace being at a man’s whim, waiting for him to propose. I don’t think the situation is fair at all- then again- we CHOOSE to be in that situation- due to cultural pressures, etc.

Not neccesarily saying your actions were totally justified- but at the same time, you waited a LONG time to get engaged- and a lot of that time waiting for HIM. I think anyone in that situation would feel pressured and stressed about having a large decision of their life not in their control.

I’m really glad you shared this- but really I don’t think you should beat yourself up about it. I really can’t imagine how men would react if the control was in our hands. In the end, you’ve learned about yourself and your limits and I’m sure your relationship has grown because of it- so please, don’t be ashamed.

 
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laur xyz (message)  42 posts, Newbee

Thank you for this post.

 
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Miss Palmetto
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Miss Palmetto (message)  52 posts, Worker bee

Octo–this was seriously brave! And I am 100% with you on why you went a bit crazy. My finance and I knew that we would be getting married around November, and the ring did not come until April. I am seriously Type A and planned clandestinely but our close family all knew the “official” engagement was coming.

Where I come from, the ring is it and until you have that you just have to be coy and suck it up until you are “officially” engaged. I was no less excited, but just understood that social norms being what they are, I would have to be patient before announcing that we plan to be married.

I completely get that this strategy is not for everyone, but I know I would have felt extremely uncomfortable (just as you did), and I am a pretty traditional person so it is what I was comfortable with. I do agree that families and friends should be supportive and accepting of however you choose to share your engagement, even without a ring, and that does not excuse their behavior. I just knew that was a bridge too far for me so I didn’t even go there until the ring made an appearance.

 
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Mrs. Octopus, Boston, MA/Pittsburgh, PA Age and Occupation: 25, Grad Student Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Graphics Operator for TV News Engagement Date: May 6th, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2010 Venue: Heinz Chapel Ceremony, Museum Reception About Me: When my best friend dragged me to a toga party in our freshmen year of college, I was not expecting to meet my future husband; but seven years later, here we are. I'm a crazy-organized planner at heart, and I am a great lover of random trivia, books, chocolate, blogs, new and exciting adventures, mockumentary-style television, and anything heavily flavored with bright orange fake cheese powder. We're planning a festive and fun mini-destination wedding in the place where we met: fabulous Pittsburgh, PA! I can't wait to marry the man I love!

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