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Mrs. Barrettes, Tumon, Guam/Napa, CA Age and Occupation: 29, Dancer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 31, Licensed Building Contractor Engagement Date: November 16, 2008 Wedding Date: October 2010 Venue: V. Sattui Winery About Me: I'm an East Coast girl, living on a tiny little island in the Pacific, twirling, leaping, and shimmy-ing my way through life, and now, wedding planning! I'm equal parts nerdy and cool... okay, mostly nerdy. I love satin bows, red lipstick, black & white graphic anything, the shine of sequins and the sound of a champagne "pop". My favorite books are The Portrait of a Lady, by Henry James, and Tender is the Night, by F. Scott Fitzgerald. I can also conjure a pretty good Patronus Charm. I started my appreciation for good red wine while traveling on the high seas, and it's only fitting that my passion for wine drinking led me to my Napa-bred honey. We bonded over bottles of Cabernet on my oceanfront porch and haven't looked back since. We're sealing the deal at a winery in the Napa Valley on a 'perfect ten' of a day!
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Miss Barrettes’ Book Club

August 19th, 2010 @ 2:21 pm by Mrs. Barrettes

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I’m definitely digging this book. I commend the author for doing the research and sharing it with the rest of us. As I am very close to the beginning of my own marriage, Ms. Gilbert gives me food for thought when she writes of the Hmong women: “Neither the grandmother nor any other woman in that room was placing her marriage at the center of her emotional biography…” (pg. 35).

This is interesting to me because throughout the years (and various boyfriends), I have found that really no man can be the center of my emotional biography. I know when I need to talk to a woman. When I want a specific response, women are really the ones to go to. Our emotional wells are deeper than most men I know—and inevitably I’m frustrated when I don’t get the emotional response I know I want, and men get frustrated when they can’t help or give you what you want. I’m not saying that men aren’t sensitive to our feelings; they do give emotional support and really really great hugs, but come on, they don’t “get it” like your girlfriends do. Just ask your man if he wants to talk about feelings. :) Do yourself a favor—go to the right friends when you need something specific. Or tell your partner exactly what it is that you need. And if you don’t know, figure it out. How can you get what you need if you don’t know what it is? Just sayin’…

Gilbert also writes about our freedom to choose, based on “the emotional trademark of [our] culture to seek happiness” (pg. 43). That is absolutely true. I have always pursued whatever it was that “made me happy” in the moment. That is just the way its always been! The problem with this kind of liberating freedom is that several things contribute to happiness, and you can’t always have/do them at the same time. For example, it has been difficult to nurture and maintain relationships when all I’ve wanted to do is travel. And in the end, either the relationship or the job had to go. Happiness is something we do have a right to pursue, but there is a fine line when it comes to other people “making you happy.” While your partner should contribute to a “happier you,” he or she doesn’t live to make you happy. That kind of expectation is the groundwork for battle.

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I really love Chapter 3, Marriage and History. It should be required reading before everyone gets married. Describing what marriage is is a good place to start before you take the plunge. Gilbert gives a good history on the unions between one man and several women and vice versa, a woman and a dead man, two men (in ancient Rome), and even a union between two children. Crazy right?

But the most interesting history to me is that of Christianity and marriage. When Christianity was introduced, most of civilization was built around bloodlines, extended families, tribes, and kingdoms. When Jesus introduced the idea that we are “all brothers and sisters united within one human family” (pg. 56), he effectively deconstructed the social structure of of society. Early Christians were taught to repress their “human desires” to become like the angels, following “Christ’s own example: celibacy, fellowship, and absolute purity” (pg. 56).

Now I’m not here to ruffle the feathers of my Christian fellowship or to make a huge deal—if you want to continue with Gilbert’s history lesson, feel free to read pages 57-60. But it seems as if the Christian church waited until much later, when it began to play a political role in the thirteenth century, to involve itself with the previously “secular institution monitored by families and civil courts” (pg. 64).

With the church uninvolved with marriage for so many years, it was seen as a “highly efficient form of wealth management and social order, requiring some sort of organizing structure from the larger community” (pg. 61). And honestly, to me, living in the modern world, this is what marriage seems to be now. My friends going through divorce aren’t worried about breaking their covenant with God; they seem to be more worried about who’s going to get what and regaining their freedom to pursue their individual happiness. A number of friends seem disillusioned with marriage—Who needs it? Why should I get married? We’re pretty happy now; what would making it legal do except effectively lock us into a contract that is very difficult to get out of? And in today’s modern society, where everyone is “pursuing their own happiness,” it’s not looked down upon to not get married. Hey, if it makes you happy…

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Have you read this book? What do you think of it so far?

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16 Responses to “Miss Barrettes’ Book Club”

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Kristin

Having not read this book, I can only offer an argument to the few lines you quoted. But I would disagree with the author’s conclusion that the Christian church was not much involved in marriage for several hundred years after its creation. While the example of Jesus was one of celibacy, Paul clearly instructs followers in 1 Corinthians 7 that it is better for men and women to marry than to ‘burn with passion’ and risk falling to the temptation of sex outside of a marriage. In fact, Jesus, in Matthew 19, reiterates God’s plan for marriage - that a man should leave his father and mother, cleave to his wife, become one, not be separated, and that divorce was not part of God’s plan.

These were the position and teachings of the early church. Perhaps Gilbert was speaking of a more modern era than this. I intend to read this and understand a bit more of her position on the early church and marriage. However, I’m rather disappointed, at the time being, in her conclusions.

Thanks for the recommendation though! Sounds like a very interesting book!

 
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I agree with Kristin’s statement. The early Church was very much involved with marriage, and the Bible clarifies a number of points regarding marriage. Not sure as to the time period you’re referring to, but the Bible’s pretty clear on it.

 
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paw (message)  379 posts, Helper bee

I read this book! I read Eat, Pray, Love and really enjoyed it. Since I am also getting married soon, I thought it would be an interesting read. I found that it presented information in an educational form instead of forming conclusions she wanted her readers to have.

I am not sure if you have gotten to this part, and I am sorry if you have not, but what I found particularly shocking was that women are statistically sicker, less happy, more stressed and less educated compared to women who do not marry (Yipes)! On the other hand, men are healthier, happier, less stressed and more educated, AND they make more if they are married. I find this totally crazy but the information she provides makes an interesting argument for it.

I know I am the killjoy on the wedding website….

 
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hrev2010
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hrev2010 (message)  416 posts, Helper bee

I finished reading this book a couple weeks ago and I love history, sociology, etc topics so I enjoyed the book. What I found particularly interesting were the Asian cultures she visited that have arranged marriages and even talking about the farmer who married not out of love but a woman who would be a good farmer’s wife here in the USA.

 
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Laura

i have read this book, and i found it a total eye-opener! Although it has been about a year since I read it (i just loaned to a good friend struggling in her marriage.) I loved how Gilbert explored EASTERN, as well as western marriages.
In response to the earlier comments, (I am a Christian), although God’s plan for marriage was outlined in the new testament, it is ABSOLUTELY true that the early Christian church used marriage and family structure (or lack there of, i.e. priesthood and nunneries) to control the early church and the developing countries. Today, in the freedom we experience in a reformed church and nation build on these liberties, it’s hard to admit the struggles of the early church and how the Catholic (original) christian church was formed because it is not agains our ideals, as we see them TODAY.

excellent read! I love reading about other cultures. I try to keep an open mind, look at the arc of history, and make a informed opinion on such issues. Gilbert certainly does this.

 
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Magdalena

Gilbert’s work is interesting, although I hated Eat Pray Love and the empire of kitsch it has inspired. I think she’s a little bit simplistic with this though, although maybe she is trying to write for the mainstream audience she acquired with EPL so that’s why some of it seems a bit flattened out?

For instance, her argument about the Church only really getting involved until the 13th century ignores a ton of European history. Well before the 1200s, the Church’s role in marriage was paramount (see Eleanor of Aquitaine for a good example!) It’s also important to understand that in the very early days (pre-1000) the church WAS the state, and vice versa, for all intents and purposes.

In the modern day, the state’s involvement is sometimes seen (as usual) as mostly a money grab. You can’t get married without paying Uncle Sam some coin, and that is its main purpose - a one-time tax on marriage. The exception would be common law marriages, although a lot of states are starting to do away with even that.

While the issuing of marriage licenses can be found in our country dating back from the beginning, this system only really started taking hold in the early 20th century when states started passing a lot of marriage license laws. Prior to this, marriage was essentially a Church and community issue. Most of these laws were designed to prevent whites and blacks from marrying each other.

All pretty complicated!!! But fascinating ;)

 
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EMARILU (message)  322 posts, Helper bee

I have not read this book yet. Read Eat,Love,Pray and I loved it. Will definitely pick it up as soon as I finish my current read.

 
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maggierose (message)  460 posts, Helper bee

I read the book. I found it to be only ok. She had some interesting things to say, but I found her to be a hypocrite. She’s already been divorced once; most of her writing in the book is on the negatives of marriage; but she goes on to get married again!

 
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Miss Glasses (message)  2,741 posts, Sugar bee

I’ve heard this book is hit or miss. I don’t think of myself as a very emotional person- when someone gets me angry I bitch them out, when I’m upset I might cry, but I’m not one to talk about my feelings at lengths. I like having fun. As they say in jolly England, “Keep calm and carry on.” Mr. G isn’t my emotional center because I don’t really have one. Is that unhealthy?

 
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jkreems (message)  15 posts, Newbee

i read eat pray love and adored it. have been waiting for this book to come out in paperback. thanks for the info.

if you want a good book about marriage, i suggest you read ‘the conscious bride.’ it is amazing and talks about the whole emotional process of getting married and even some of the after. all of my friends have read it and we just pass it around. it makes great fodder for conversation with your fiance too. i kinda think it should be called ‘the conscious bride and groom’ b/c so much applies to him too. i really recommend it.

 
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cc226 (message)  258 posts, Helper bee

I read Committed as soon as it came out. Eat, Pray, Love helped me through my divorce….it was my life raft. Committed, helped me realize that I could love again, and make marriage about me and my love, not a fairy tale or a sitcom.

 
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panda in England
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panda in England (message)  210 posts, Helper bee

Never mind the book Barettes, I want your glasses!! They are too cool and you look awe.some!

But er, yeah, the book sounds good too ;-)

 
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thistleandclovers
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thistleandclovers (message)  212 posts, Helper bee

I read Eat, Pray, Love and adored every page*. When Committed came out I picked up a copy. Thought to myself, I am commited.. this will work.

It is what it is. I found it funny and enlightening. Parts touching to the point of misty. (When she sits him down and tells him all the things “wrong” with her and he’s like “Yup. I’m cool with all those things.”)

It is a great read. But like with anything you consume… consider the source. She is crystal clear on how she feels about marriage, organzied religion, and the state. I didn’t find it to be a “here’s the facts come to your own conclusion” kind of read. It was “this is what I think and feel- don’t you think I’m witty.” sort of book.

*… ok *some* of India was meh…

 
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Miss Barrettes (message)  883 posts, Busy bee

YES! All great posts my fellow Readers! I love the dialogue that a book club brings! I did finish the whole thing and I also enjoyed her 3 page rant on gay marriage. Towards the middle of the book I sort of got bored of her, so it was a pick-up and put-down read for me. I’m glad she was able to come full-circle and find her own version of marriage that she and her man could settle into.

@Kristin and @Magdalena: I’m currently in a Roman Empire in the First Century history phase and I appreciate your posts about early Christianity!

 
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Miss Barrettes
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Miss Barrettes (message)  883 posts, Busy bee

@panda in England: Oh yes, the glasses! Whenever I get nerdy, I like to dress the part. Just pop out the lenses next time you see a 3D movie!

 
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galaxiepi
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galaxiepi (message)  39 posts, Newbee

I read Committed not too long after it came out and found Gilbert’s analysis of the institution of marriage (from the perspective of multiple cultures) very interesting. Yes, it definitely didn’t delve too deeply into a lot of those cultures and their related issues, but it puts the concept of marriage and the union of two people into a unique perspective that challenges your own.

I LOVED her argument for gay marriage too and personally enjoyed her touching upon western theological history… I think far too often the politics from the Catholic/Christian churches that shaped our culture today get overlooked as “the way it’s always been”. Interpretations of the Bible (and almost any religious text) change with society over the span generations.

 

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Mrs. Barrettes, Tumon, Guam/Napa, CA Age and Occupation: 29, Dancer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 31, Licensed Building Contractor Engagement Date: November 16, 2008 Wedding Date: October 2010 Venue: V. Sattui Winery About Me: I'm an East Coast girl, living on a tiny little island in the Pacific, twirling, leaping, and shimmy-ing my way through life, and now, wedding planning! I'm equal parts nerdy and cool... okay, mostly nerdy. I love satin bows, red lipstick, black & white graphic anything, the shine of sequins and the sound of a champagne "pop". My favorite books are The Portrait of a Lady, by Henry James, and Tender is the Night, by F. Scott Fitzgerald. I can also conjure a pretty good Patronus Charm. I started my appreciation for good red wine while traveling on the high seas, and it's only fitting that my passion for wine drinking led me to my Napa-bred honey. We bonded over bottles of Cabernet on my oceanfront porch and haven't looked back since. We're sealing the deal at a winery in the Napa Valley on a 'perfect ten' of a day!

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