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Mrs. Pretzel, Seattle Age and Occupation: 32 Learning, Training, and Development Specialist Fiance's Age and Occupation: 28 Manufacturing Engineer Engagement Date: September 2, 2009 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: Catholic Church & The Engine Room at Georgetown Studios About Me: I’m just a thirty-something girl who never dreamed of weddings, poofy dresses, or ritzy receptions. I am a rabid knitter, except recently, wedding projects have replaced my yarn and needles. I’ve been fiercely independent since the age of 2 and 30 years later I think my family and friends had given up on me settling down and getting married. Ironically, I had to go all the way to Seattle to find a boy from Purdue. We fell in love over Seattle Beers and cooking together. I love NASCAR, he loves Legos. I can talk like a Muppet and he can fit a whole McDonald’s cheeseburger in his mouth. We are a two reception couple, currently planning a brewery inspired bash.
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Playing Against Type

October 4th, 2010 @ 3:41 pm by Mrs. Pretzel

Mr Pretzel and I made a lot of choices during our courtship and our engagement that people had difficulty wrapping their heads around. It’s not that our choices were off the wall or nontraditional in fact, it was how TRADITIONAL our choices were that made them uncommon.

Early in our relationship we had a somewhat awkward (although reassuring) conversation when we discussed sex before marriage. I remember the feeling of terror when I told Mr P that I didn’t want to have sex before marriage. I didn’t know if Mr P was the man I would marry but I knew if I did, I wanted to wait. I was completely unsure of how he would react. It’s not like I had much practice with this type of conversation. I wasn’t a virgin saving myself for marriage, but I had come to realize (in my late 20s) that in fact, waiting is what I wanted. What a relief it was when he said he was not only OK with that but that he was fully supportive of that decision. As we dated we wrestled with this decision and grew through it. I don’t frequently bust out and tell folks that Mr P and I were waiting, but our friends could piece it together. In some cases I think it made them think differently of us, as if this choice somehow made us prudish.

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More noticeable was people’s inability to understand why we would purchase a house together before the wedding but not live together. I can’t tell you how many times we heard, “Let me get this straight: you (Mrs Pretzel) own the house with Mr Pretzel. He lives there and you pay rent to live somewhere else?” I am sure people felt that this was flushing money down the drain but if they couldn’t understand our first choice neither of us really expected them to understand this choice.

“But lots of people make these choices!” I found myself wanting to scream. Why does it seem so novel (the word “quaint” was used a time or two) for us to make these choices? Mr Pretzel finally shed some light on the subject for me. “We’re weird,” he said. “We don’t fit the archetype that most people have in their brains for the type of people who wait until marriage to have sex and cohabitate. We are playing against type.”

So true. On the outside people see a young, goofy, cosmopolitan couple. We’re a couple of eco-conscious nerds who love beer and music. People assume that since we are like them in these ways that means we share political, religious, and moral beliefs. What you don’t see on the outside is that we are practicing Catholics who believe in and try our best follow the teachings of the Church. We tend to be conservative but are unsettled about what conservative politics in America means. We don’t fit the archetype of a conservative but nor do we fit into any other box.

I also was bothered that other people saw our choices as a judgment on them. We are grounded in our beliefs but that doesn’t mean that we expect others to make the same choices, nor that we judge the choices of others. When a friend who hadn’t seen us in a while asked what we had been up to after the wedding, I told him, “Moving me into our house.” After a head cock to the side and a puzzled look I elaborated and explained that Mr. P  and I didn’t live together before the wedding. For me, it was just a statement of fact. Later his girlfriend was visibly uncomfortable telling us that he and she lived together. Mr P told me later that when I state our choice, others might feel that means I am judging others. I felt horrible and a wee bit misunderstood.

Why am I telling you this? I think in blogging (and sometimes in real life) I have purposefully allow people to get to know me first before I give them a larger glimpse into who I am to avoid being typecast. As I start to move closer to recaps I felt it was important to discuss the concept of “playing against type.” The choices Mr Pretzel and I made in our courtship played a large role in the type of wedding that we had. For example, it was important to us that we craft an informal full nuptial Mass that was fully of joy and energy but still reverent. And finally, I know there are a number of bees out there who are making similar choices, and I just wanted to wave my hand and say, “You’re not alone.”

In what way do you think you and your FI are “playing against type”? Has this affected your wedding planning?

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kamiie (message)  115 posts, Blushing bee

this is an awesome post…so many people don’t understand or believe that you can have morally conservative views, but liberally social views…but you can! thank you for this post as it mirrors my sentiments in so many ways :)

 
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Leprechaun (message)  907 posts, Busy bee

Thank you so much for this post. FH and I are waiting, and have gone through the same thing with friends when they find out–disbelief, worry that we will judge them, etc. It just was the right choice for us, for a bunch of religious and non-religious reasons; we could care less what other people do!

 
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Miss Earrings (message)  2,477 posts, Buzzing bee

Very thoughtful post, thanks for writing it. Mr E and I haven’t waited till marriage but we did wait for each other (and 3 years into our courtships!). We knew it had to be the “right” time for us, and if someone’s right time is waiting until marriage then people should refrain from judgement.

 
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whao1225 (message)  234 posts, Helper bee

Thanks so much for this post :-) My fiance and I are also waiting to live together and “be” together until we are married. And, wow, it’s one of the hardest temptations to overcome but the closer our wedding date gets, the more excited I am for our wedding night :-) Glad we are not alone and thanks again for your post :-)

 
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Miss Maid (message)  86 posts, Worker bee

I think it is so wonderful and admirable that you and Mr. P made choices that worked best for you and your relationship. And thank you for your incredibly thoughtful and courageous post!

 
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Mrs. Lamb (message)  970 posts, Busy bee

I think this such a great message and very thoughtfully written. We were in the same boat. We bought our house 6 months before the wedding and I sub-let a studio by myself until the wedding. It takes a lot of courage to stand up for your convictions, and a lot of grace to talk about it in a way where others don’t feel condemned. Bravo!

 
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kayakgirl73 (message)  2,157 posts, Buzzing bee

We waited until we got married to live together and to have sex. We were well into our thirties so believe me lots of folks were surprised. This decision also cost us a lot of money. It doesn’t matter to me whether or not others live together, everyone needs to do what is right for them. Living together for the first time, I think has made the first year of marriage harder.

 
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MissCatherine (message)  278 posts, Helper bee

We’re waiting to live together before getting married… and yes, that does get a eyebrow raise or two from time to time!

 
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Chillmer (message)  1,008 posts, Bumble bee

I guess I really don’t understand the whole “waiting to have sex” if you’re not a virgin. I promise I say that without a hint of judgement (as someone who owned a house and lived together before marriage, I did not feel judged by your post). I just don’t see the point.

 
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Mrs. Pretzel (message)  1,893 posts, Buzzing bee

@Chillmer: For us it is rooted in our faith. We are Catholic and we believe the Church teaching that sex is for marriage. Pope John Paul’s letter on the Theology of the Body was instrumental in my reversal of belief and thus grew into me changing my behavior. I grew into this understanding as I got older and grew deeper in my faith. That is my personal story. Its not right, its not wrong, but its mine.

 
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mightywombat (message)  3,311 posts, Sugar bee

What you said about people taking your choice as a judgment on their choices really rings true for me.

I’m a vegetarian and my fiance doesn’t drink alcohol. You would not *believe* (well, ok, you probably would!) how many people react defensively when presented with simple statements of fact. Either it’s him at a party having someone trying to get him to drink, or it’s someone aggressively telling me how meat tastes AWESOME and how they could never give it up - when I haven’t so much as hinted that they should! ARG. It’s funny, vegetarians have a reputation for self-righteousness, but I have never, ever told anyone what they should eat, and I have had SO MANY meat eaters harass me about my own choices.

Ok, sorry for the rant. This really hit a nerve! I sympathize with you dealing with all those people who are insecure about their own choices.

 
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Tessa

That’s very true, people do like to typecast others. My boyfriend and I are very confusing to people because we don’t really fit into ANY box. We’re total nerds but we don’t look like that stereotype at all, we don’t have a specific religion but we’re not atheist or agnostic, we love to read and learn but we also love the mindless fun stuff, we love to go out on the town but we are also total homebodies, etc. People don’t really know how to categorize us, both as individuals and as a couple, and I think it makes them uncomfortable. Anyway, we have a similar situation to you as well, because we aren’t going to live together before marriage. No, we didn’t wait for marriage, but we aren’t moving in until we’re married. People think we’re weird, but it works best for us that way.

 
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elle

thankyou so much for writing this post!

 
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LittlestBirds (message)  2,605 posts, Sugar bee

Thanks for this post, Pretzel. My congratulations go to you for your strength in holding to your convictions through the difficult task of waiting for sex, and also for your bravery in “coming out” to others as a person living her life based on her religious beliefs. I completely feel where you’re coming from, too. While my life makes perfect sense to me, as I’m living an urban beer-loving eco-conscious lifestyle that I not only find enjoyable but also know is firmly rooted in my faith in Christ and the teachings of the Bible, I have to constantly remember that the vast majority of people perceive my religion and that lifestyle to be inconsistent. And, based on which side they’re coming from, people can get genuinely upset one way or the other that a booze-loving environmentalist intellectual like me could be a Christian, or that a Christian like me could be a booze-loving environmentalist intellectual. I think it’s just as you alluded to in your anecdote: people can sometimes assume judgment when they perceive you to be Other.

@Chillmer There’s definitely no quick or simple way to explain the Christian desire to postpone sex until marriage, but in very general terms, Christians believe that sex is one of the most incredible gifts that God has given the human race, and that as such it’s our obligation (and our joy) to keep it in the context in which it can blossom most beautifully.

 
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LittlestBirds (message)  2,605 posts, Sugar bee

@mightywombat: Hah, as a vegetarian I completely agree - there’s such a pervasive stereotype about vegetarians being obnoxiously pushy about their beliefs, but I’ve consistently encountered that kind of behavior from certain meat-loving individuals much more than from vegetarians! Definitely another area where people can be surprised by another person’s beliefs and lifestyle.

 
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Miss Zebra
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Miss Zebra (message)  1,044 posts, Bumble bee

Bravo for being brave enough to write this post! I can’t wait for your recaps to begin.

 
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Mrs. Deviled Egg (message)  1,250 posts, Bumble bee

AMEN! :-)

 
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Mrs. Pretzel
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Mrs. Pretzel (message)  1,893 posts, Buzzing bee

@Mrs. Lamb: Thanks Lamb! I remember you shared with me your choice to rent the studio and I appreciated knowing other couples who were making similar choices. Thats really my point here.

@kayakgirl73:I think what really throws people for a loop is that I am 33. I think people can understand these choices in someone’s early 20s, but since I’m in my thirties it makes me strange. Oh the posts that I could write about making the transition to living together :). It is exciting and difficult all at the same time but in retrospect I wouldn’t change a thing.

@mightywombat: Admittedly I’ve found myself saying similar things, “but bacon is so yummy!” I think I am going to have to rethink that response. :)

@LittlestBirds: You said it so well!

 
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Dragonsus (message)  1,194 posts, Bumble bee

Kudos to you for sticking to your beliefs and your ability to know it’s right for YOU and that is what is the most important part.

I was insistent that my husband and I needed to live on our own before we moved in together. Long distance made that possible, and it was the best thing for both of us! When we were ready we moved to the same city together - where it was just not financially feasible to have two seperate houses.

 
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Mrs. Sewing (message)  2,701 posts, Sugar bee

great post, pretz…I think it’s interesting that one person’s normal is always another person’s abnormal.
coming from a couple of prudes that lived together yet in seperate rooms until marriage - i really appreciate your story!

 
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Mrs. Pretzel, Seattle Age and Occupation: 32 Learning, Training, and Development Specialist Fiance's Age and Occupation: 28 Manufacturing Engineer Engagement Date: September 2, 2009 Wedding Date: July 2010 Venue: Catholic Church & The Engine Room at Georgetown Studios About Me: I’m just a thirty-something girl who never dreamed of weddings, poofy dresses, or ritzy receptions. I am a rabid knitter, except recently, wedding projects have replaced my yarn and needles. I’ve been fiercely independent since the age of 2 and 30 years later I think my family and friends had given up on me settling down and getting married. Ironically, I had to go all the way to Seattle to find a boy from Purdue. We fell in love over Seattle Beers and cooking together. I love NASCAR, he loves Legos. I can talk like a Muppet and he can fit a whole McDonald’s cheeseburger in his mouth. We are a two reception couple, currently planning a brewery inspired bash.

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