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Mrs. Knitting, Toronto Age and Occupation: 24, Student Recruitment Assistant Fiance's Age and Occupation: 24, Neuroscience PhD Candidate Engagement Date: October 2009 Wedding Date: December 2010 Venue: University of Toronto Faculty Club About Me: I'm a pearl wearing, etiquette book reading Toronto girl who loves cooking and baking, museums, charm bracelets, and collecting books on Jackie Kennedy (a lot). I've been known to spend Sunday mornings at the antique market, Wednesday evenings at sister sushi dinners, and any bit of spare time reading. After six and a half years of many late night walks, watching DVDs together in bed, travelling to places like New York, and Tobermory, doing Sudokus together on the couch, lots of Indian food, the occasional yoga class, moving in together and so much more, Mr. Knitting and I are planning a cozy Christmasy (it's a word!), vintage wedding in Toronto complete with many DIY projects (eek!) and lots of help from our amazing group of family and friends.
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There’s No Set Formula

November 18th, 2010 @ 10:40 am by Mrs. Knitting

I’m in a bit of a mood today. Consider yourself warned!

Mr. Knitting and I were chatting with a new acquaintance the other day and, when discovering we were engaged, she inquired as to how long we’d been dating. When we replied six and a half years, she replied, “Yeah, I guess that’s long enough.” I had to hold myself back from saying, “Thank you for your approval,” in a snide tone.

To be fair, the woman making the comment didn’t mean it rudely. I think she was just trying to make small talk. However, this exchange got me thinking. I just don’t have patience for comments that imply there’s a right or wrong way to go about relationships and marriage.

Here’s a few examples of what I mean:

Length of Relationship

I firmly do not believe that a couple needs to be together for a certain length of time before getting married.

Mr. Knitting and I happen to have been together for a significant amount of time and that’s what has worked for us.

In contrast, my parents got engaged before even going on a date. I thought this was the most hilarious and bizarre thing ever when I first heard this. They met while winter camping (which is hilarious because my mom is not the winter camping type), and became friends. A few months later my mom proposed to my dad and he accepted. When he told his parents he was getting married his mom asked (very nicely) if they had met his fiancee (they hadn’t!). Two months later they got married, and 31 years later they have one of the strongest and happiest marriages I know. They are my absolute proof that you don’t need to have a 10 year relationship with someone before marrying them. Sometimes you just know.

Living Together

I know people who think it is absolutely essential to live with your SO before marriage. They think it’s a huge risk to marry someone without knowing what it’s like to live with that person. In contrast, many other people think the opposite is true.

Mr. Knitting and I will have lived together for almost 3 years by the time of our wedding and that has worked really well for us and our situation. That being said, in hindsight, I know I could have easily married him before living with him. There wasn’t really much of a change in our relationship aside from the fact that it was convenient that our stuff was in the same place and I learned that if he likes a song he plays it over and over and over again until he’s sick of it. I’m being flippant, but living together just felt so natural and like we’d always been doing it.

Proposing

I also know some people think it’s the man’s job to propose and if he doesn’t then he’s a failure of a man and has deprived you of an essential life experience. Okay, that’s a bit extreme, but you get the idea…

My mom proposed to my dad and I don’t think she’s ever regretted it. I don’t think my dad has felt less manly for not proposing. I didn’t exactly propose to Mr. Knitting, but I did initiate us getting married in December 2010. I don’t feel like I’m missing anything. I don’t feel deprived of a necessary life experience and am quite offended by comments implying that I should.

Again, that’s just us. I fully recognize that for many couples it is important for the man to propose and I absolutely think that’s a valid opinion, despite the fact that that’s not what worked for Mr. Knitting and I.

These are all valid opinions, but that’s all they are, opinions. They are not definitive truths. Each of these things work for certain people and they don’t work for others. I am perfectly happy to have a discussion about people’s opinions and what works for them in their relationship, but I find it really frustrating when people talk about their opinions like fact (i.e. the man must propose, you must live together before marriage…etc.). Doing so is irritating and it also denigrates another person’s experience. I would never ever say or imply to someone that their experience is less valid than mine because it’s not what I want. Different things work for different people, end of story.

Stepping off my soapbox now…

What “definitive truths” about relationships aren’t so definitive to you?

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Oasis709 (message)  83 posts, Worker bee

Well said! I also don’t think you have to be together for a certain amount of time before getting engaged…my mom and dad knew each other for 2 months before getting married and they will be celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary next month!

 
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soontobemrsreeves (message)  57 posts, Worker bee

I completely relate. Once my fiancee and I got engaged several people felt the need to put their two cents in, when not even asked for it. One said they didn’t like how he proposed, he should have done this or that. We are not an ultra romantic couple or people for that matter, so there was no elaborate event.. just him and I lying in bed talking. That was fitting for us because thats what we do. Others felt it was too soon. We met February 26, 2010, moved in together the beginning of August, he proposed one month later and we will be getting married in February. In my mind I was saying, its not your life its mine! I even heard myself justifying the situation to these people. I had to step back and realize that I had to ignore these comments and if they love me/us then they will be supportive and positive otherwise we have no room for the bs!

 
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PitBulLover (message)  8,322 posts, Bee Keeper

I agree with all of what you said! Every couple is different and no one has a right to judge them! I think one you can add to your list is age of getting married. I see it on the boards all the time. Some people get married at 18 and some people get married at 35 and I think it is just based on the individual and couple and no one can say whether they are more right doing it one way or the other.

 
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SuperShopper (message)  866 posts, Busy bee

I totally agree on everything! There is no right or wrong way to fall in love. We were together for 2 years and had been living together for about 6 months when FI proposed… we got some snears from my cousin who has been dating her BF for 5+ years and living with him for 3. Whatever works for the couple!!

 
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Monument (message)  25 posts, Newbee

Thank for this! I’ve in the exact same situation with my fiance - dated for 6.5 years before engagement and living together for a few years. Once we got engaged, friends were saying to us “FINALLY!” Dating and then living together for a while just confirmed what we already knew but it is our path and choice of what our relationship is.

 
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phillygirl629 (message)  120 posts, Blushing bee

I couldn’t agree more. We moved in after 6 months and were together 7 months before he proposed. We knew we were in love after a couple of weeks. I think he was sure right away about marriage, but it took me about 5 months to know for sure. I let him know when I was ready and 2 months later he put a ring on it!

I feel a little weird amongst my friends who have all been together 3+ years before getting engaged! My dad even expressed some concern in the beginning that we were rushing things, but it didn’t feel that way to us at all. It feels totally natural.

I think people are quick to judge because they know felt right for them, and maybe they assume that what they did is right for everyone else too!

 
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phxchristina (message)  3 posts, Wannabee

My fiance and I made the decision together that we were ready to get married, set a date, talked to our priest, bought a ring, and told our parents, in that order. I hate when people try to make me feel awkward because we didn’t have a big proposal moment. This is what worked for us, and we are happy. :)

Thank you for your post!

 
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The future Mrs. Pepper

I don’t believe you HAVE to live together before getting married either. I’ve had people I know asking, “What if he has a bad habit? What if…?”. I know that my fiance is special, so what if he may have a bad habit? I’m not going to ditch him for a flaw. What happened to loving someone unconditionally? Anyway…

 
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SandraMarie_1986 (message)  1,363 posts, Bumble bee

I couldn’t agree more. Every couple is different.

 
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afrances5238 (message)  74 posts, Worker bee

I so agree with you. Some people feel as if you HAVE to be with someone for a certain amount of time before you get married, I firmly believe that when you know, you know. Don’t second guess it. I met my fiance in Nov. 2008, we started dating Sept 2009, I moved in with him w/my child in Nov. 2009, and he proposed in Jan. 2010. So far its been great, we have had our ups and downs, and we have overcame quite a few obstacles. We are lucky though because my family want me to hurry up and get married, and his family is understanding. His parents only knew each other for 2 months when they got married, and they have been together for 28 years. I can’t stand the judgement from other people, but I will not let it bother me for the simple fact that it really just comes down to him and me and my son. Congrats on your engagement and it great to see others that share the same opinion.

 
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Minutiae (message)  2,371 posts, Buzzing bee

Preach it, sister!

 
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Mrs Guac

I’m going to be the odd man out… I think lots of couples who get married after knowing each other for a very short period of time DO work out (see examples of 30+ anniversaries being celebrated above), but I think it is still a bad idea. There are too many things about a person that you can’t know at 2 weeks or 2 months.

 
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MaggieMay7 (message)  35 posts, Newbee

You are so right! There is no formula and I hate when people think that their way is the only way! Me and my man have been dating for 4 years, are not technically yet but have decided it will be “official” soon. I honestly feel that I am engaged, but without a ring to show for it cannot tell anyone. I personally think its silly that I feel this way. Isnt it enough that I found the “one.” We personally do not plan on living together before marriage, but I have no doubt that we will enjoy it when the time comes :) Whatever works, works! As long as you truly love the person and are willing to work at it, most of the time I believe that it will work!

 
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MsBrooklynA (message)  2,703 posts, Sugar bee

My biggest irritation at the moment is the fact that some people believe that when the two of you make the decision to get married, research the ring together, and the fact that I am doing more work with the jeweler than he is, that somehow is going to make my proposal less special.

We are making a huge life decision and the fact that I don’t want him to make it without me doesn’t make it less special it makes it more special because we did it TOGETHER. And that is how I want to make all major decisions. TOGETHER!

 
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Miss Earrings (message)  2,481 posts, Buzzing bee

Amen! I get so irked when people infer that there is in fact a formula….if they just look at the relationships around them they will see that they cant box people in like that.

 
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lilmzmetalhead (message)  2 posts, Wannabee

I so agree with this! I get a lot of flack for being engaged too young (I’m 20, my fiance’s 19), rushing into it (he proposed at 6 1/2 months, we are at 9 months now…but we have been friends for four years & liked each other just as long), and an unromantic proposal (he bought the ring with me in the store and proposed to me in my car when we were parked). I’ve never been the person to follow a required formula and personally, I’ve never been happier than I am now.

 
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Gamer (message)  57 posts, Worker bee

I love this post! Thanks so much for writing it. My fiance and I started dating in February, moved in together in April, got engaged in May, and will be married in February. Sometimes, you just know. I was with my last bf for 3 and a half years, it’s not like I am rushing into something due to puppy love. I have a realistic view on relationships and I KNOW that this one is different from all the others. I KNOW that he’s the right man. So why wait? I love seeing posts like this which remind us that there is no magic formula and that what works for one couple isn’t necessarily right for any other.

 
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Ms Cheetah (message)  1,188 posts, Bumble bee

Love that your mom proposed to your dad!

 
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sarahcisme (message)  347 posts, Helper bee

THANK YOU for this post! I cannot explain how hard it is to hold my tongue when people feel the need to comment on our decision to not live together before we got married. I find it interesting that the majority of people who think it is necessary to cohabitate before marriage are always people who cohabitated before marriage, or people who have never been married! I would maybe take their advice a little more seriously if they had waited until they got married to live together, and things did not work out, and they were trying to give me advice as a cautionary tale.

 
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tarabonistall (message)  128 posts, Blushing bee

Well said!

 
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Mrs. Knitting, Toronto Age and Occupation: 24, Student Recruitment Assistant Fiance's Age and Occupation: 24, Neuroscience PhD Candidate Engagement Date: October 2009 Wedding Date: December 2010 Venue: University of Toronto Faculty Club About Me: I'm a pearl wearing, etiquette book reading Toronto girl who loves cooking and baking, museums, charm bracelets, and collecting books on Jackie Kennedy (a lot). I've been known to spend Sunday mornings at the antique market, Wednesday evenings at sister sushi dinners, and any bit of spare time reading. After six and a half years of many late night walks, watching DVDs together in bed, travelling to places like New York, and Tobermory, doing Sudokus together on the couch, lots of Indian food, the occasional yoga class, moving in together and so much more, Mr. Knitting and I are planning a cozy Christmasy (it's a word!), vintage wedding in Toronto complete with many DIY projects (eek!) and lots of help from our amazing group of family and friends.

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