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Mrs. Zebra, Providence, RI Age and Occupation: 24 Marketing/Costume Designer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26 Management/Firefighter Engagement Date: December 12, 2008 Wedding Date: March 2011 Venue: The Providence Biltmore About Me: I'm a small town New England girl with an affinity for procrastination, crossing the proverbial line, and putting her foot in her mouth. I'm a lover of history, all seasons, sewing and Incubus. I design costumes on the side for my old high school's theatre department, which is where I met my sexy man. Our motto for our Big Fat Lebanese/Portuguese/Irish near-300 person wedding is "the more the merrier"! We are marrying in a Catholic ceremony and are hammering out the details of our Victorian-inspired reception.
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Our Pre-Cana Experience

February 3rd, 2011 @ 1:16 pm by Mrs. Zebra

Sigh.

It is going to be tough writing this post, but I know I must for you. I do not want to turn any burgeoning Catholics off by talking about our Pre-Cana experience but I would be doing you an injustice by saying that it was peaches and cream.

If you are going to marry in the Catholic church, a couple must go through Pre-Cana classes. It is a group couples’ counseling session that goes over such topics as communication, finances, future goals, sex (yep, it’s in there), etc.

I have to make an aside in order for you to fully understand why our experience turned unpleasant. You see, as much a Catholic as I am, I fully believe in equality. I’ve met Matthew Shepard’s mother, I helped install the LGTB club in high school. I will not tolerate the perpetuation of hate. The bible has a whole lot to say about treating everyone with respect, and far be it for me to judge anyone else for the way they were born. Zeb feels the same way.

With that in mind, our two days started out pleasantly.

We traveled to another church in the Rhode Island diocese on Friday night. They gave us a workbook and we met our host couples. Each host couple had a specific topic to discuss. We had a presentation by the host couple on their topic, completed an exercise out of the workbook separately, spoke with our significant others about our answers, and then met with our group for discussion. They didn’t force anyone to share. The couples came from all walks of life. Some had children, some felt comfortable sharing, some were shy, some were young, some were established—it was a great mix. I reveled in the opportunity to speak with Zeb exclusively about our feelings and our relationship.

The next morning was much of the same, again. We were able to chat with the other couples about their thoughts, their journeys, and their upcoming weddings. The sex topic started, which I admit, was a bit awkward while standing in church. It started out as a sex chat then turned to Natural Family Planning (mucous cycle and all). They gave us some information on NFP; again, it was nothing unexpected.

The afternoon was set aside for the Priest to talk with us. This is where the trouble began. I do not want to repeat what was said because I refuse to continue this cycle. However, the speech was so powerful that Zeb and I wanted to leave. I felt physically sick. I actually had doubts about whether or not I could still support a church that held this view to the extent in which we were presented. We felt violated. I cried for my friends, my family, strangers, who have had to feel that every day of their lives.

Through talking with other couples we learned this isn’t a normal topic of conversation during Pre-Cana. It just happened to be what that specific Priest chose to talk about. I thought it was an odd topic of conversation considering that everyone in the room was in a heterosexual couple.

Although our Pre-Cana experience was tainted, I want to say that we learned some valuable lessons. We were able to see that we are most certainly on the same page in regards to finances, communication, the number of children we have, and—most importantly—honoring every person that graces this planet.

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almostmrsc
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almostmrsc (message)  232 posts, Helper bee

Thank you for you post. Before I had even gotten engaged or met my guy, I had always thought I would marry in a church and as I got older and developed my opinions i realized that I couldn’t do it and I am a confirmed catholic.

As it were, over the fall we had attended a wedding at a Christian church, not sure of the exact branch, but the minister/preachers/etc kept going on and on about things to the point where I and several others were super uncomfortable. It reaffirmed my belief that I couldn’t marry in a church, any kind of church, if even one person would feel uncomfortable by it.

I sincerely hope that your priest is a bit more progressive on things.

 
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Katie

I’m terribly sorry for how you felt, especially as you’re getting close to your wedding date. As a former Catholic (former because I disagree with the Church on homosexuality and the position of women, among other things), I’m confused why people who feel as I do continue to attend Church, or at least get married in it. The Church is very clear about its beliefs in this issue.

 
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I am sorry that you had such a bad experience. I do want to say though that your friends are right, this is a random thing from one priest, NOT a normal pre-cana experience.

Secondly, pre-cana is a general term for marriage prep in the Catholic Church. It takes many forms and while it can be “a group couples’ counseling session” that is not a set standard at all. Perhaps you’re thinking of Engaged Encounter or something like it?

Again, I am sorry that your experience was tainted. Hopefully though it was a helpful reminder of the fact that the Catholic Church (priests included) are made up of humans who aren’t always respectful of each other. And, as painful as it may be, it is sometimes good to have tough reminders of what one is doing by getting married in the Church. Sometimes it just stinks. But for me it was very worth it!

 
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Jessica

exact.same. experience! with pre cana. I really, really really had to bite my tongue!

 
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Miss Prairie Dog (message)  400 posts, Helper bee

i’m going to PM you later, so this comment is just to say that i heart you.

 
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MsJeep23
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MsJeep23 (message)  1,375 posts, Bumble bee

Hey there sis. I hear ya. I was uncomfortable in our first Pre-Cana too. We had to talk about our relationship and I had never before realized how much I hate talking about that stuff in front of people I don’t know!
Now, this experience has much less to do with the Catholic aspect than the group-counseling aspect, but that first class was hard and it’s helpful to hear that I’m not a total weirdo for not loving it (most of my friends who’ve done it have loved it).
We’re in a progressive parish, which I appreciate greatly. The following sessions haven’t been so bad but boy, I felt wrecked after the first one.

 
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FutureLeep9
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FutureLeep9 (message)  79 posts, Worker bee

Ugh… not looking forward to my pre-cana…

I’m not catholic… he is… I have no idea what to expect.

 
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sulaii211
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sulaii211 (message)  770 posts, Busy bee

I’m sorry you had to go through that- especially because I share your views. The important thing to note is that not all Catholics are built the same- and every church is different. I hope you did get a lot of good out of it, despite the unpleasantness.

 
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jedeve
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jedeve (message)  1,068 posts, Bumble bee

I’m sorry you had this experience!

I am a Catholic who believes strongly in equality. I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. Yes, there are times when I disagree with the Church’s position on certain things. But ultimately, I remain in the Church because I want to remain in Christ and I believe that Christ also stands for equality.
I have never once been to any sort of Catholic event that prejudiced people who were homosexual, or even spoke out against homosexuality. But I know the issue is out there. For me, it’s important to stay in the Church to be a voice of love to those who are homosexual, to be a support to those who are treated unequally, to be a voice of change.
As far as the Church’s stance on women goes - have you ever listened to Sr. Joan Chittister? She’s great. Look her up!

 
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MUI831 (message)  728 posts, Busy bee

We’re getting married in the Catholic church and I just signed us up for our PreCana class. Luckily, ours is only one day but I’m not looking forward to it. Now, I hope there will be parts that will be good in terms of the chatting about finances, communication etc but the whole talking about sex and the issues you spoke of really turn me off. To be honest, I grew up Catholic and went through 15 years of Catholic schooling. While I’m thankful of that b/c I was able to develop my beliefs in this time, I feel somewhat hypocritical for getting married in a church where I don’t agree with their stance on many items. However, it’s important to our families and I’m doing it for them.

 
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mightywombat
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mightywombat (message)  3,311 posts, Sugar bee

Great post. Thanks so much for sharing, and 3 cheers for continuing to fight bigotry and hate wherever we find it.

 
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MlleFrog (message)  39 posts, Newbee

That’s awful that you had such a bad experience with the classes. I’m Unitarian but my fiancé is catholic. The classes we took were fantastic. We had two sessions with an older couple and two other engaged couples, and the priest. He taught in Seminary for 47 years before becoming a Parish priest and is fantastic. One couple has a child and are doing the baptism and wedding at the same time. There was nothing judgmental about the sessions and I walked away with a greater appreciation of the Church. I think it all depends on the priest and the church. That said, I certainly would not have a ceremony where there was any chance of hateful talk.

 
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Mrs. Starfish (message)  1,924 posts, Buzzing bee

I had a very jaded outlook going into pre-cana based on others experiences. I am a very liberal Catholic. I don’t agree with everything in the church and I expected an experience similar to yours.

We were pleasantly surprised with our pre-cana experience, but it was due to the open-ness of the church we went to. I’ve been to really great and inspiring churches and others that have made me question my affiliation to the church all together. It’s really sad. I’m sorry you had to go through that experience.

 
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Miss Tartlet
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Miss Tartlet (message)  3,207 posts, Sugar bee

{{hugs}} I’m so sorry, Zebra. I’m also Catholic, and sorely miss my old parish at home that preached (and practiced) tolerance, humility, and respect for all walks of life. I’m glad you were able to separate out and take away some good lessons from this experience.

 
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shaydenise
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shaydenise (message)  1,151 posts, Bumble bee

“I felt physically sick. I actually had doubts about whether or not I could still support a church that held this view to the extent in which we were presented. We felt violated. I cried for my friends, my family, strangers, who have had to feel that every day of their lives.”

THIS perfectly explains how H and I felt after going to our one and ONLY counseling session with the pastor of a church we no longer attend. It however, had to do with faith. My father is catholic - a CHRISTIAN and one of the most devoted Christians I know and an amazing witness to everyone. I am not catholic, I don’t really relate to any denomination I just consider myself christian. This pastor informed me that since my dad was catholic he wasn’t a christian just religious. I got up and left. We never went back to that church.

I’m happy to say that we are settled in a very welcoming church family, that would never ever say, nor believe something as utterly ridiculous as that man. I’m ashamed to know that someone like that is a religious leader.

 
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I was raised a Catholic but “left” the church for many, many years, due to its rigid views on same-sex marriages, abortion, etc. During difficult times in my life, when family or friends just can’t help, I sometimes go to church. I recently started attending the masses regularly at a church in my neighborhood. I’m hooked because the deacon’s homilies are very relevant to modern-day issues.

We attended Pre-Cana last week, and to be honest with you, had no expectations. We’ve had rocky wedding planning issues for the last few months, so the one thing that really hit home was during our Pre-Cana was that all we need are five people: a representative of the church, the two of us and our two witnesses. Everything–the photographer, the flowers, the reception–are extra. I think about that all the time when I sense myself getting bogged down with details.

Yes, sometimes the priest or the host couples who administer the Pre-Cana can really affect what the participants can get out of it. I try to take their remarks with a grain of salt. In addition, even in some of the biblical readings, I take those with a grain of salt as well (you know, the ones about wives being subordinate to their husbands) because that is just the way they spoke. Of course, times have changed.

 
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MissMargie
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MissMargie (message)  767 posts, Busy bee

Miss Z, I’m sorry you and Zeb had to go through this. This is exactly what I fear in taking a pre-cana class. We aren’t planning to marry in the Church because my guy isn’t Catholic and I’ve had an extremely tough time with my Catholicism because of the views I share with you. However, my Mom is a die-hard Catholic and is pushing the Church wedding like no other. But this kind of experience is what scares me to death about it; I fear I wouldn’t be able to bite my tongue if this happened to me and I’d be scarred for life. It’s really tough, IMO, to stand with a Church where you don’t believe in some of their ideals; but I also feel the pull of tradition and family. What to do?

 
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iRun2004 (message)  223 posts, Helper bee

@mightywombat: my thoughts exactly.

Sorry you had a tainted experience Zebra, but it sounds like you got at least some good out of the other parts.

 
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Denali
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Denali (message)  296 posts, Helper bee

I am so glad that I grew up in an extremely (I see now) liberal parish in Seattle that taught equality, acceptance, difference. I am glad that we are getting married in that Church. However, we’re going through our Pre-Cana with the parish in the town we live now, which is more conservative in its views. I’m hoping we don’t have an experience like yours.

I think that this can be a product of the Church, and even the city/ town that you are in. Some Churches and priests are just more liberal than others (the Jesuits, indeed, tend to be). I hope that you found a priest that you connect with for your actual ceremony.

 
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Mrs. Zebra, Providence, RI Age and Occupation: 24 Marketing/Costume Designer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26 Management/Firefighter Engagement Date: December 12, 2008 Wedding Date: March 2011 Venue: The Providence Biltmore About Me: I'm a small town New England girl with an affinity for procrastination, crossing the proverbial line, and putting her foot in her mouth. I'm a lover of history, all seasons, sewing and Incubus. I design costumes on the side for my old high school's theatre department, which is where I met my sexy man. Our motto for our Big Fat Lebanese/Portuguese/Irish near-300 person wedding is "the more the merrier"! We are marrying in a Catholic ceremony and are hammering out the details of our Victorian-inspired reception.

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