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Mrs. Mary Jane, Grand Forks, ND Age and Occupation: 26, Instructional Designer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Lead Programmer Engagement Date: February 28, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2009 Venue: City Hall About Me: I'm a career woman on the surface and a homemaker at heart. I love fast cars and high heels, and my favorite food is cake. Mr. Mary Jane and I are both full-time employees and students, and we just bought our first house. We love to curl up on the couch with buttery popcorn, Sour Patch Kids, and the latest Netflix arrival -- whenever we can get a break from everyday life.
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Entitlement, Money, and Marriage

February 24th, 2011 @ 7:05 pm by Mrs. Mary Jane

Recently, I spent several minutes convincing my husband to spend a large chunk of money on a component for a home theater system. Me, the girl who is generally content with the single, garbly built in speaker on her cell phone. Why would I want Mr. Mary Jane to waste his money on something so unnecessary? (Completely unnecessary because um, we already own a decent component; this was simply an upgrade.)

Let’s explore this topic.

I don’t know about you, but I spend money on myself on a regular basis (and I don’t even consider myself to be a shopper). But I buy handbags (even though I have perfectly good ones in my closet at home). I buy shoes. I buy makeup and hair products. I get my hair cut at a nice salon. I get it colored. I get manicures once in a while. Unless you are truly strapped for money (and even if you are), you probably spend money on yourself in at least some of these same ways. And you probably do this while also contributing to any savings or debt reduction plans you may have decided to follow. Do you ask your significant other before you buy that cute Kate Spade bag from TJ Maxx? (I mean, you can’t not buy it at 40% off, right?!) Does your fiance have any idea how much your latest cut and highlights cost? (We can try to convince ourselves this is a necessary, but we know it isn’t.)

To give this funny little money post some background: I frequently see posts on the boards (and on some of the blogs I follow) about women’s money frustrations with their significant others. The situation is usually something like this:

I am so pissed at my fiance! He spent $100 on a sporting event ticket! Doesn’t he realize we could have used than $100 toward the favors for the wedding?! He is an insensitive jerk!!!

Now think again about your $30 foundation and your $21 mascara and your $14 sunless tanning lotion. What does your man buy for himself? I bet he doesn’t buy makeup! I somehow doubt that most guys—unless they have a really serious hobby or they’re a dedicated metrosexual—spend as much money on a daily/weekly basis as we ladies tend to do. (Hey, beauty rest can only do so much! Sometimes, we gotta break out the credit card.)

My question is this. Shouldn’t men be able to buy stuff for themselves, too? Since when did it become OK for women to spend tons of money on themselves, their beauty, and their interests and chalk it up to “looking good” or “this is for our home”? (The home doesn’t need that set of vases or picture frames or whatever, by the way. You just thought they were cute and looked like something you saw in Domino.) Obviously, everyone manages their finances differently. Some people jointly manage money. Some people keep separate accounts. Others do both, or have other inventive variations that work for the way they earn, spend, and save. But my point (I do have one) is: both people should be allowed to determine how to spend some of their money, if such ’fun’ spending fits in to the budget.

Ladies, here’s the thing. Your man does not realize that his $100 would have been better used to buy your maid of honor’s bouquet. Or a gift for his father. Or a new vanity for the bathroom in your house. In most cases, he hasn’t been informed of this by you or anyone else. Perhaps you two have set a savings goal into which you each contribute money each month (toward the wedding, house, or whatever you’re currently saving for). Beyond that—in my opinion—he has no obligation to you. No more obligation than you have to ask him before you refill your Aveda hair products. Asserting that he shouldn’t have spent money on something silly or useless is petty, in my opinion. This thought occurred to me very clearly when Mr. MJ stood in our kitchen holding my new Louboutin pumps and stated, “well, I don’t think I’d spend $600 for this, but I’m glad you like them.”

Don’t let yourself fall in to the trap of “if it’s not for us, and it’s not for our home, and it’s not for me to look/feel good, we aren’t buying it.” I know, it sounds harsh when I say it that way. But for a lot of women, it’s true. I know a lot of very hard-working men who quip to coworkers that they’d love to have [whatever], but the wife won’t approve the purchase. Then the wife shows up in a pair of Manolos with a nice Coach bag under her arm. Hmmmm.

So back to the home theater component. Mr. MJ clearly wanted it. Clearly. But he wasn’t going to buy it, partially because he’d been conditioned by society to think that he isn’t the one who gets to buy things. He felt had to ask me first. Even though it was his money he wanted to spend. (As we discussed above, a lot of women would have been thrilled to be consulted. But I think it’s ridiculous that he’d feel a need to ask.) My mantra is: if you can pay your savings and bills, and you can afford it, I have little say in what you buy as long as you keep it responsible. It was only after I pointed out many things I had purchased recently for myself (mainly without asking him) that he reasoned that maybe he could buy this for himself. He literally could not remember the last time he had bought something for himself, other than a paperback or two.

The major moral of the story here is fairness. Sometimes, in a relationship, we need to adopt an attitude of “to each his own.” Of course, occasionally there is a situation where someone is simply awful at managing money, or where belts need serious tightening but one of the partners is having trouble jumping on board. That’s not what I’m talking about here. I’m talking about tolerance of your partner’s needs, wants, and habits. Money was the subject here, but finances aren’t the only time in which tolerance can be applied. You will have a much more peaceful, happy relationship if you’re an encouraging and understanding spouse. Sometimes that understanding simply comes in the form of keeping your mouth shut about something you don’t understand. Chiding your significant other with questions like “Why would you want THAT?!” or “That isn’t what *I* would do.” is like telling them their hobby, their thoughts, or the things they do are stupid. And therefore, you’re indicating that you think your partner is stupid. It isn’t nice.

A life long partnership isn’t about being joined at the hip and sharing all the same hobbies and values. And it isn’t about treating your partner like a child who must be molded and changed to fit your lifestyle. And it’s definitely not about tearing your partner down when he indulges in the things he loves most. If everyone was a little bit more understanding with their significant other—picking their battles, learning when to keep quiet, and allowing for differences in opinion and habit—I think we’d all have much happier and healthier relationships.

I’ll get off the soap box now. My best relationship advice is: BE MORE UNDERSTANDING, AND LEARN WHEN TO ZIP YOUR LIP!

What’s your best relationship advice?

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miss_susan (message)  45 posts, Newbee

Mr. Mary Jane is a lucky man! These are great reminders - thanks!

 
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rolling berry (message)  301 posts, Helper bee

Wonderful post! I couldn’t agree more :)

 
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Margaritachka (message)  196 posts, Blushing bee

Love love love this post. My fi and I had this convo recently. We were figuring out finaces and the such. And turns out- I spend a lot more money on “me” things than he does. So when he buys himself those at home weights, or spends a couple of hundred betting on some sporting games- I keep my mouth shut. Hrs allowed his own frivolous things just as much as I’m allowed that new dress…

 
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kelsgurl (message)  279 posts, Helper bee

Great post! Thanks, Mrs MJ!

 
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shannag

Totally agree. Recently we set up a small ($100 a month) budget for each of us. All my expenses have to come out of that and I can’t spend more. So far it’s funny seeing how we spend it. Lunches out with friends & kindle books for me, coffee & computer games for him. We have no control over what the other uses it for and if I really want a shopping trip, I’m going to have to save up. I can’t wait to see how this works out! It will definitely cut down on the issues that you quoted above.

 
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ms chihuahua

Nope I never ask if I can buy anything, we have seperate bank accts and I pay some household bills and he pays some. When it comes to stuff for the kids for school, usually I pay but that is because mr c puts out a large chunk in August for school tuition. So it all kind of evens out. If he asks me about a big purchase, I just tell him to get it if he wants it. :)

 
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EMARILU (message)  322 posts, Helper bee

Thanks…great advice’

 
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Miss Tartlet (message)  3,207 posts, Sugar bee

Hear, hear! Great post, MJ!

 
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BM-Matty (message)  26 posts, Newbee

I never ask if I can buy anything, is it bad to think its yourmoney, you work hard to earn it and deserve to spend it. He is holding off on a new PS3 until we buy a house, but he does have to have a country club member to play golf 4 times a week (I am already a golf widow and not ever married yet) but both of these are hobbies, and I would never question his hobbies just as he never questions mine. I think you would want to you future husband to spend money on what makes them happy and if its a new component , video games, sporting event tickets then that should make you happy.

 
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Miss Lox (message)  1,128 posts, Bumble bee

This is exactly why www are keeping our own separate discretionary spending accounts in addition to our joint account. That way both of have equal opportunities to spend our own personal money (or not) as we see fit. As long as it’s on there, it’s our to use without permission or explanation. I firmly believe that kind of freedom is necessary to maintain a little sanity when it comes to the finances. ;)

 
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Mrs. Cardigan (message)  8,645 posts, Bee Keeper

Great advice! Of course, for us, this situation is actually kind of reversed. I NEVER spend money on myself (I feel super guilty when I do) and when I do spend money on myself, it’s never until I consult Mr. Cardy about it (the way we’re set up right now, we’re completely joint with no “fun” money. We’re too poor for that right now, haha).

For him, however, he’s just now realizing that maybe he doesn’t NEED to buy a new video game every week and that he should bring his lunch to work instead of going out to eat every day.

Once we have a little more room in our budget for “fun” spending, we’ll definitely have some money for ourselves that we don’t have to consult each other about! I’ve seen so many couples fall into the same trap that you’re talking about, and I think it’s something people need to be a lot more aware of!

 
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MsTerrapin (message)  609 posts, Busy bee

A-freakin’-men!! Great post, Mrs. MJ! I would also amend this to add the sometime lasy-hypocricy of: “No I will not do [insert manly activity like footabll game] with you! Why do you spend so much time doing that?” followed shortly by “What do you mean you won’t come to the mall with me and hold my purse for 3 hours while I try on dresses?”

 
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Miss Cotton Candy (message)  436 posts, Helper bee

Totally agree! Just this morning I tested mister ccandy about signing a 600 contract for a hair and makeup artist which is not in our budget btw mister ccandy response- it’s your call whatever you want babe but then he calls me asking for permission to spend 100bucks on seats for his vintage bmw he was scared I would be upset at him for spending money on the car. I felt bad here I am dropping money for 1 day of makeup and he’s worried about spending 100 bucks on his car!

 
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Mrs. Spaniel (message)  6,792 posts, Bee Keeper

Great post!

 
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Mrs. Mary Jane (message)  1,970 posts, Buzzing bee

@MsTerrapin: Haha! So true. It makes me pretty unpopular with other women when I point out this double-standard in their conversations!!

 
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tea (message)  7,288 posts, Bee Keeper

i always thought it was weird when only one person in the couple asks permission from the other one to spend anything. love the realistic point of view mj.

on a side note, considering my guy cuts his own hair, i think he’d have a slight conniption if he found out how much i spend on a cut and highlights!

 
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Mrs. Mary Jane (message)  1,970 posts, Buzzing bee

@Miss Cotton Candy: Same exact thing! Also, is that the BMW in the picture you shared the other day? Mr. MJ would love it. I will have to show him the pic.

 
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Miss Elephant (message)  6,182 posts, Bee Keeper

I agree with this! I will admit when Mr. E recently got back into comic books, I didn’t understand why he would spend money on them. I can’t complain because he pays his half of the bills, puts money towards the wedding and pays for his school. As long as those are covered, I have no problem with him indulging in the comic books or video games every now and then.

 
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LizTheProcrastinator (message)  50 posts, Worker bee

This is really a great reminder! My fiance and I have our money (income and expenses) totally separate, and that will probably be the case until we’re married (Some things *are* easier in a LD relationship :P). Combining our finances (either partly or completely) is both an exciting and terrifying prospect.

 
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Mrs. Penguin (message)  3,506 posts, Sugar bee

Like.

 
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Mrs. Mary Jane, Grand Forks, ND Age and Occupation: 26, Instructional Designer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Lead Programmer Engagement Date: February 28, 2009 Wedding Date: September 2009 Venue: City Hall About Me: I'm a career woman on the surface and a homemaker at heart. I love fast cars and high heels, and my favorite food is cake. Mr. Mary Jane and I are both full-time employees and students, and we just bought our first house. We love to curl up on the couch with buttery popcorn, Sour Patch Kids, and the latest Netflix arrival -- whenever we can get a break from everyday life.

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