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Miss Carousel, Dusseldorf, Germany/Garda, Italy Age and Occupation: 29, International Product Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 31, Front End Developer Engagement Date: May 29, 2010 Wedding Date: September 2011 Venue: I’m an American-Italian girl living in Germany with my Belgian fiancé, planning a wedding in Italy. I can’t wait to show our guests the wonderful Lake Garda, Verona, and want our wedding to be a fun filled, charming, day in the life of “La dolce vita.” Mr. C and I love spending time together, and have added wedding related activities to our cooking nights, dance lessons, and road trips. We love sampling restaurants, could listen to Sinatra all day, and are just a tad geeky and into technology. As we want all of our passions to be part of our marriage, what better way to start than by incorporating them in our wedding day?
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In my last post I described how happy we were with ourselves for deciding to have a long engagement, as it was pretty easy to find an awesome reception place. Well, let me tell you, that feeling came back to bite us in the b*** big time!

As some of you probably already know, a long engagement has many advantages and disadvantages: one disadvantage is that things change.

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Months ago we chose the Hotel Du Parc as our reception venue. We were very happy with our choice, as the place met all our requirements and we got along very well with the restaurant manager.

And then life happened: the restaurant manager we had verbally agreed to everything with did not renew his contract with the hotel management. We found out about this about one month before we were supposed to sign the contract and eight months before the wedding. (Note how he smartly fixed our contract signing after the renegotiation time period.)

We were told to contact a temporary manager (a new restaurant manager had not yet been found) who assured us that all the conditions and decisions we’d made would still be valid, and told us not to worry as nothing would change. Well, guess what? When we finally met in person seven months before the wedding, we found out this wasn’t the case.

Since we didn’t have a signed contract, we were told that all the verbal agreements made by the previous manager were “wrong.” The main changes were:

  • We would not have the use of the garden.
  • The price would be higher. (They felt the one we’d agreed on was too low.)
  • There would be a new restaurant manager, but at the time one had not been found yet so we would not know who we’d be dealing with for our wedding.

But the worst thing of all was that we did not feel comfortable or secure with the hotel management, which had a very “if you don’t like it, someone else will” mentality. We were crushed and did not know what to do anymore.

On one hand, the mere thought of having to start looking again for a venue seven months out was daunting…We really did not want to have to do that, and we didn’t even know where to start! The venue itself still met all of our requirements, and we still loved the place. We could also fit the higher costs in our budget, as it’s true that we had gotten a pretty good deal with the previous manager.

On the other hand, the reception is the most important and expensive part of a wedding: I think it’s important to feel secure about that choice, and I did not like the uncomfortable feelings that I had with dealing with the hotel management. I felt we were put in a corner, which I did not appreciate.

I also believe that a wedding is an opportunity to support honest, local, and professional businesses. To choose to spend a large chunk of our budget on a business that practiced policies I did not agree with seemed wrong.

What would you have done?

PS: If there’s a lesson here, it’s GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING the minute you reach a final agreement. We were a bit naive, and that resulted in our first major wedding fail…

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18 Responses to “Disadvantages of a Long Engagement: Things Change”

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Laura

That is very unpleasant. That attitude “you don’t like it, somebody else will” is something I really hate. I hope you found a solution that worked even better!

 
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Chocolatte
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Chocolatte (message)  198 posts, Blushing bee

i had a friend who lost her site b/c she didn’t sign a contact and the new manager booked the site on her date. :(
you are right though - always get EVERYthing in writing!
I’m glad you had room in your budget to deal with the price change!

 
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MuddyInsignia (message)  48 posts, Newbee

So sorry–that is horrible. I all but automatically withdraw is someone changes an ageement. In my opinion, you probably can do better at that point! So what is your plan?

 
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JNWhite
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JNWhite (message)  227 posts, Helper bee

I am so sorry that happened to you! I agree with you to not go with a vendor that makes you feel uncomfortable. That is the last way you want to feel on a very important day of your life.

 
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Miss Elephant (message)  6,182 posts, Bee Keeper

I’m so sorry that you guys had to deal with this! With had a coordinator change during our long engagement and I was lucky that I had many of the extras in writing from the prior venue coordinator and that the venue would still honor them.

 
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Jme

Honestly, you are getting married in one of the most beautiful regions of Italy. If it were me, I would use google and Hotels.com until I found something awesome! But then again, that is just me. On an interesting side note…I went to Uni Duisburg…it’s nice to see others who actually have a clue where that is! Good luck…I hope you figure it out. Seriously though, go with your gut! :)

 
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Miss Tartlet
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Miss Tartlet (message)  3,207 posts, Sugar bee

That SUCKS. I would have been so upset, and irritated to boot! We had some verbal agreements fall through as well, so I definitely agree with you about getting *everything* in writing. Even after a phone call, follow-up with an email outlining the conversation and ask for confirmation.

I would have shopped around some more, but it would have been so hard having fallen in love with a place already!

 
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philabride2bee (message)  316 posts, Helper bee

That’s horrible and so incredibly frustrating! I am surprised that they told you to wait before signing - is that an Italian thing? Everyplace I visited here you would have to make a deposit to reserve the date, and I wouldn’t pay anybody a deposit without a contract in place. I was nervous about having issues with vendors not honoring agreements, so I made our venue coordinator be super-explicit about what we agreed on in the contract, to the extent that I made her rewrite it about four times. I also gave her a copy of my notes from our meeting together, because I did think it all sounded a little bit “too good to be true” and I wanted to make sure that the agreement was perfectly laid out. Our coordinator left two weeks after we signed the contract and I was so relieved that we had everything in the signed contract. I also immediately sent a copy of my notes over to the new coordinator “just in case” so that all the minor things would be in our file.

 
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Iuxta

Ugh! Just reading this, my gut was telling me there was something wrong with the situation. I’m sorry you had to go through this! Walk away when things don’t feel right!

 
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Miss Biscuit (message)  624 posts, Busy bee

Man that stinks! I’m glad you were able to go with your gut, though.

 
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Miss Pain au Chocolat (message)  1,698 posts, Bumble bee

What a tough spot to be in! It’s so upsetting when vendors have a “take it or leave it” attitude.

 
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Miss Cotton Candy (message)  436 posts, Helper bee

This suck I’m sorry this happened to you! We ran into a similar situation with out venue the facility use coordinator that we originally worked with left a couple months ago and we received a pretty scary email we an amended contract that raised the cost of by almost 1k thank god i had all my email convos with the old coordinator showing our agreed upon price and assuring me that the needed amendments had be made once I sent them over to the new coordinator for review she honored the old pricing!

 
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Kcoleybear
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Kcoleybear (message)  683 posts, Busy bee

I am so sorry this happened to you. I guess the silver lining is this happened before you signed a contract and put money down.

 
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Miss Carousel (message)  590 posts, Busy bee

@Laura: Yes me too!! We tried our best to stay away from it but inevitably we had to deal with it…
@Chocolatte: I’m so sorry for your friend, that must have been a really nasty surprise!
@MuddyInsignia: I’m also like you, but then I realize I tend to always make things more difficult for me (sometimes of course..)

 
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Miss Carousel (message)  590 posts, Busy bee

@Miss Elephant: That was super smart of you!
@Jme: True, but don’t forget that most hotels are either on the small side, which often means that they don’t hold weddings (because they need their main restaurant room for their guests) or big resorts where you’ll end up seeing people in their bathing suits or hear the kids playing around. It’s not so easy to find something in between! And yes, I do know Duisburg but shame on me have not been there much…
@Miss Tartlet: Sorry you also had some negative experiences! Guess sometimes we get so emotional because it’s our wedding that we forget that for the vendors it’s only a business arrangement…

 
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Miss Carousel (message)  590 posts, Busy bee

@philabride2bee: It’s definitely an Italian thing to agree verbally on business agreements so that you do everything under the counter (and save lots of money on taxes) but that wasn’t what we wanted to do… We had everything agreed on emails so we did not think it was a problem to sign the contract in January instead of in the previous September like the manager proposed to us. As said above, we were a bit naive…
@Miss Cotton Candy: That’s also not so nice! Glad that you were able to reach an agreement because your venue is fantastic!
@Kcoleybear: Yes in the end we rationalized that we had made an error in judgment in the first place - still what a hard way to learn ones lesson (but that’s mostly how lessons are learned I guess…)

 
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bRooklynRocks
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bRooklynRocks (message)  3,767 posts, Honey bee

@Miss Carousel: You had emails and they still didn’t agree to those terms? Why? One would think that the emails represent the negotiation that went into the contract…hmmmm.

 
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Miss Carousel (message)  590 posts, Busy bee

@bRooklynRocks: The problem was that they said the previous manager did not have the authorization to make those agreements to begin with so as we did not have a proper contract the emails were not valid. I am sure that at a different venue with a different management this would have not happened!

 

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Miss Carousel, Dusseldorf, Germany/Garda, Italy Age and Occupation: 29, International Product Manager Fiance's Age and Occupation: 31, Front End Developer Engagement Date: May 29, 2010 Wedding Date: September 2011 Venue: I’m an American-Italian girl living in Germany with my Belgian fiancé, planning a wedding in Italy. I can’t wait to show our guests the wonderful Lake Garda, Verona, and want our wedding to be a fun filled, charming, day in the life of “La dolce vita.” Mr. C and I love spending time together, and have added wedding related activities to our cooking nights, dance lessons, and road trips. We love sampling restaurants, could listen to Sinatra all day, and are just a tad geeky and into technology. As we want all of our passions to be part of our marriage, what better way to start than by incorporating them in our wedding day?

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