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Ms. Ferris Wheel, San Francisco Age and Occupation: 29, Psychologist Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, Psychologist Engagement Date: May 23 and 28, 2010 (one for each of us!) Wedding Date: November 2011 Venue: Parc55 Hotel (city lights ceremony, ballroom reception) About Me: Born in the Southeast, educated in the Northeast, and over-educated on the West Coast, I finally earned my city-girl credentials and have put down roots in gorgeous San Francisco. I’m a raging perfectionist with a lightning quick wit and a terrible sense of both time and direction. Our wedding task list is endlessly growing because of my predilection to think that DIY projects I can make = DIY projects I should make (so not true!). I always go to bed wishing there were more hours in the day to enjoy all the things I adore, whether that be hobbies, friends, my career, our two dogs, or Mr. Ferris Wheel. Ours is a story of a non-traditional couple living an oddly traditional life planning a not-so-traditional wedding in this city we adore. Together we are bustin’ out all of our best skills (and some of our worst ones) to plan a laid-back-chic DIY-craftastic love-alicious affair!
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A Little More Information

May 24th, 2011 @ 12:51 pm by Ms. Ferris Wheel

I’m going to try to answer the rest of your questions as best I can. Please forgive the question/answer format, but it was just easier that way.

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Q: How does it feel for you to write about Mr. FW as “he” even when discussing events that happened pre-transition. (For example, you wrote about your first date with him, not her.) Does it feel like you are rewriting your own past?

A: This is a really good question and an issue that can sometimes be a challenge for me. I used to do more of the whole, “Mr. FW, well back then it was Ms. FW, she did blah blah blah” but that got really long-winded. Plus it’s difficult for me to go back and forth with pronouns and it’s difficult for the listener to follow who I’m talking about. At this point I probably refer to Mr. FW, past and present, almost exclusively as male unless his female gender is related to the story I’m telling. Since nearly all of the people in our lives know that Mr. FW is trans, I don’t typically have concerns that I’m hiding or re-writing anything. That’s probably part of why it’s so important for me to tell the truth about my life and our history.

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Q: Are the people close to you and your FI open to talking about his former female identity, or is it more important to him that others leave that to the past?

A: Mr. FW is very open to it and the people in our life do bring it up from time to time, although I think there’s always a pang of sadness for him at the reminder that he hasn’t always been male.

Q: What qualified Mr. FW to be legally be a man? Was it the hormone therapy, the surgery, or a mix of both?

A: For Mr. FW it was the surgery. In general, a trans person needs a doctor’s attestation that they’ve had an ’irreversible medical procedure’ in order to legally change their gender.

Q: Did Mr. FW’s training as a psychologist enable him to understand himself and his desire to transition to a man any better?

A: This is sort of like a ’chicken or the egg’ question. I’m going to guess that it was Mr. FW’s interest in and capacity for introspection that led him to the field of psychology, and it’s the introspection that helped him with his transition rather than anything specific to his study of psychology (although I’m sure it didn’t hurt).

Q: Will you have to give Mr. FW the testosterone injections forever?

A: There are many factors that go into this equation, but the short answer is yes. After some time he may be able to reduce his doseage and/or the frequency of injections.

Q: Is it harder to identify with Mr. FW now that he’s a man? Did it ever feel like you were with a new person?

A: Honestly, no. For the entirety of our relationship Mr. FW has always been very stereotypically masculine in terms of his interests and hobbies. He has a very male energy, and that’s probably one of the things that attracted me to him. But because he was brought up as a female, he also has many of the female socialization traits that are essential for me to have the kind of connection with him that I do.

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Q: Does Mr. FW feel relieved to be seen as part of a heterosexual couple, since he identified all along as being a male attracted to females? As you feel you lost part of your identity, does he feel he’s been able to “reclaim” some of his, so to speak?

A: Certainly this process has been all about him being able to reclaim part of his identity. I asked him this question and I was surprised that he said yes, he does feel somewhat relieved to be seen as part of a heterosexual couple now. He said he thinks it’s because he’s been visibly queer all of his life, so a heterosexual relationship affirms what was a previously invisible part of his identity. For me, it was the other way around. Because I’m feminine-appearing, I’ve never been visibly queer outside of a lesbian relationship. To the extent that people previously seeing us as a lesbian couple would reaffirm his female-ness, being part of a heterosexual couple now affirms his male-ness.

Q: I was wondering if you found other couples treating you differently, both those that you knew before the transition and those that you continue to meet as the change occurs?

A: Yes and no. I think our friends pretty much treat us the same. (Although something funny that’s begun to happen is that friends will ’forget’ we can’t get pregnant naturally. Ha!) Family members seems to relate to us well as a male/female couple preparing to get married. It makes me curious how they would have reacted if we were still a female/female couple, but I guess I’ll never know. And obviously in larger society heterosexual couples are just treated very differently than are lesbian couples.

Q: Was Mr. FW’s weight change purely hormonal?

A: He wishes! No, he was working hard to get healthier and he’s done a really good job with it so far.

Q: It has always appeared to me that switching genders enforces the typical and traditional stereotypes of male and female, which is something that bothers me. Is this actually true?

A: There’s obviously some correlation between having stereotypically cross-gender interests and potentially being more inclined towards a trans identity. That said, there are just as many ways to be transgender as there are to be male or female. I think transitioning does reinforce stereotypes, but it does so in the same way that entering into normative heterosexual marriage reinforces stereotypes. A person (or people) might look traditional and/or stereotypical from the outside but it doesn’t have to be that way on the inside if you don’t want it to be. You might be a traditional couple with stereotypical gender roles (or a traditional man with stereotypically male interests), or you could be something else altogether. Just like many other heterosexual couples we reinforce stereotypical gender roles in some ways (I take longer to get ready in the morning, Mr. FW likes to watch sports, and it’s his job to take out the trash) and we don’t in other ways (Mr. FW does the laundry, I manage all our finances, and he has a much stronger interest in staying at home with children than I do).

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Many of you asked about our feelings regarding getting legally married when so many other LGBT couples cannot, and because that’s such a complicated and delicate question I will dedicate a separate post to that topic later.

And thus ends my class on trans issues as they pertain to our relationship. :) Whew! Did you make it this far? Now it’s share time! Tell me—in what ways do you and your partner reinforce and defy traditions and stereotypes in your relationship?

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Miss Pony (message)  4,175 posts, Honey bee

Thank you for educating us and sharing with us further, I think it is so great that both of you are willing to discuss your lives with the Hive.

I can’t think of many ways we defy gender stereotypes, except that Mr. P does most of our cooking, while I’m stuck with the cleaning.

 
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mightywombat
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mightywombat (message)  3,311 posts, Sugar bee

I just want to say that you are doing a tremendous service by patiently answering all these questions. I have seen so few discussions of trans relationships outside the explicitly feminist blogosphere; I think it’s fantastic to bring this education to a wider audience.
xo

 
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KCheer
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KCheer (message)  370 posts, Helper bee

First, you are such an amazing writer to be able to get all of that information (much of it emotional and personal) in writing. Secondly, I am so fascinated by your story, I am completely spellbound when I read your posts! Thank you to you and Mr. FW for sharing such an intimate part of your lives with people (like me!) that know next to nothing about this topic.

 
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Miss Seal
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Miss Seal (message)  1,179 posts, Bumble bee

Thanks for being so open to answering everyone’s questions, FW! :D I thoroughly enjoy learning more about you two lovebirds!

 
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TheFutureMcBride
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TheFutureMcBride (message)  4,479 posts, Honey bee

Thanks for spending so much time answering questions. To answer yours, I called my husband before we were married my ba-girlfriend because he’s sensitive like a woman, but is very stereotypical man in every other way (power tools, fixing/building things, protecting me). To contrast this, I totally have my stereotypical man traits where I just can’t understand his sensitivity; however, none of that is working right now because I’m hormonal and pregnant.

Now, I can’t wait to see some awesome wedding projects and details.

 
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Entangled
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Entangled (message)  2,616 posts, Sugar bee

Thanks for answering those questions - it was really interesting, particularly your response about whether transitioning genders reinforces gender roles because that’s something that I’ve personally struggled with.

I consider myself a cis-gendered female, but at the same time, I have some serious girl!fail (to put it lightly) going on. I love watching sports, have no sense of style, etc. While I don’t feel any desire to identify as male, I also don’t feel much desire to identify as female beyond the most basic, physical characteristics. (although I do think that women are granted a little more freedom to be masculine than men are to be feminine, so I do appreciate that part of my gender)

My ideal world is one that’s post-gender constructs and I think I have a lot of trouble being in a heterosexual, marriage-track relationship sometimes because those relationships represent something that doesn’t represent me. It is weird for me that there’s all this privilege and acceptance from the world at large for the relationship I’m in.

 
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Miss Hyena (message)  1,882 posts, Buzzing bee

I’m so glad you’re a Bee. I find this so interesting, and you are amazing for being able to talk about your life so openly and eloquently.

 
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Mrs. Meerkat
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Mrs. Meerkat (message)  3,216 posts, Sugar bee

FW I love reading your posts. They have so much amazing information in them. Thank you for sharing with us!

 
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anglang25
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anglang25 (message)  318 posts, Helper bee

you read about things like this, but it is awe inspiring that you’ve taken time to explain it in detail and from an emotional point since it’s part of your life. your relationship is an inspiration to those out there with the same difficulties and for this, i am thankful. i have friends going through the same thing, and you’ve given me another way to relate to them, as well as someone i can ask advice from when they have questions i can’t answer! i personally, think you are awesome! thanks!

 
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tocarat
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tocarat (message)  324 posts, Helper bee

A million thanks for being so open! I find your process so fascinating and I think you two represent unconditional love in a huge way!

 
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mightywombat
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mightywombat (message)  3,311 posts, Sugar bee

Oh, and to answer your question!
We go against gender stereotypes in these ways:
*He was ready to get married MUCH earlier than I was.
*He will probably follow me wherever my career takes me.
*We are both good communicators, but he is even better than I am at talking calmly and constructively about problems that come up in the relationship.

Ways we fit stereotypes:
*I’m much more social; he’s much more introverted.
*I like and care about clothes and design; he doesn’t at all.
*He loves sports; I don’t give a [hoot].
*I notice and dislike household messiness much more than he does.
*He wanted to elope; I wanted a wedding.

 
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mwitter80
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mwitter80 (message)  6,621 posts, Bee Keeper

DH and I do not fit into stereotypical gender roles. I think we are both somewhere in the middle. He like Mr. FW takes out the garbage and does the laundry and I handle the finances and the cooking. However, he takes almost double the time it takes me to get ready and that’s with me in full makeup! and I watch more sports, but love that he is amazingly chivalrous and willing to defend my honor like it’s 1950 :) I think his female energy is probably what makes him my perfect mate and allows me to not feel like I am missing something as I did in some of my past relationships with women and men.

 
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lisamarieloves (message)  446 posts, Helper bee

Your willingness to be so open is so very amazing. Thank you and congratulations to you both!!

 
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KCheer
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KCheer (message)  370 posts, Helper bee

Answering your question now…. My husband and I fit stereotypical male and female traits to a T. I am total girl and he is all boy - opposites attract for us, I guess!

 
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Mrs. Jasmine (message)  1,170 posts, Bumble bee

Love the thoughtful way you’re approaching this subject– learning so much from you and I think it’s awesome you’re sharing your experience in such an open, honest way!

 
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Miss High Wire (message)  754 posts, Busy bee

Thanks for answering our questions FW!

We used to fit the regular stereotypes - but lately he’s been doing it all - breadwinning, cooking, cleaning. I guess I have been getting lazy!

 
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KatSD13
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KatSD13 (message)  13 posts, Newbee

Thank you so much for sharing such personal information with us, Ms. FW!! I appreciate your openness and can’t wait to hear more about your wedding journey. :)

As for gender stereotypes - as a single person, I have had to take care of all my household tasks - cooking, taking out the trash, managing a budget, etc! With my FI, however, both of us have settled into more “traditional” roles. Both of us like to cook, but I foresee and don’t mind doing most of the food prep in the future! And I’m perfectly fine with him taking out the trash and mowing the lawn! I wonder if this was just an easier way to divide the household tasks or our personalities in general.

Do others find it easier to split tasks along “stereotypes” rather than a per-case basis?

(and of course, open discussion and agreements rather than assumptions about any part of a relationship are always preferred!)

 
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Ms. Bird (message)  37 posts, Newbee

You’re amazing. I love your posts and your honesty. If there were more people like you and Mr. FW in the world, it would be such a better place. Best of luck to you both!

 
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Mrs. Taco
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Mrs. Taco (message)  950 posts, Busy bee

This resonated with me: “…although I think there’s always a pang of sadness for him at the reminder that he hasn’t always been male.”

Gender identity is such a real issue, and my empathy-ometer is going off the charts. It really seems heartbreaking when you are uncomfortable in your skin.

 
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Miss 1Cent
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Miss 1Cent (message)  168 posts, Blushing bee

Thank you for sharing so much information on all this! It is something I have personally always been intrigued by. You really are such an articulate, great writer. Your posts are always so interesting (even when it’s just the day-to-day wedding stuff).
My fiance and I def. fall into the stereotypical gender roles until it comes to emotion. I am completely not girly when it comes to my feelings. I’m non-romantic, non-mushy, non-lovey dovey and my fiance (who loves sports, junk food, wears t-shirts and gym shorts every chance he gets) is a huge ball of emotions. What some might say is not “manly” or “tough.” It just goes to show there is no one way to “be” your gender. Just have to be who you are inside.

 
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Ms. Ferris Wheel, San Francisco Age and Occupation: 29, Psychologist Fiance's Age and Occupation: 27, Psychologist Engagement Date: May 23 and 28, 2010 (one for each of us!) Wedding Date: November 2011 Venue: Parc55 Hotel (city lights ceremony, ballroom reception) About Me: Born in the Southeast, educated in the Northeast, and over-educated on the West Coast, I finally earned my city-girl credentials and have put down roots in gorgeous San Francisco. I’m a raging perfectionist with a lightning quick wit and a terrible sense of both time and direction. Our wedding task list is endlessly growing because of my predilection to think that DIY projects I can make = DIY projects I should make (so not true!). I always go to bed wishing there were more hours in the day to enjoy all the things I adore, whether that be hobbies, friends, my career, our two dogs, or Mr. Ferris Wheel. Ours is a story of a non-traditional couple living an oddly traditional life planning a not-so-traditional wedding in this city we adore. Together we are bustin’ out all of our best skills (and some of our worst ones) to plan a laid-back-chic DIY-craftastic love-alicious affair!

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